The USA is going to war again.

[Mr. Shaman]

In case anyone forgot. This is how we got in to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

....And, this is how we COULD have AVOIDED IT!!!​

LAMB: You have a book called ”To Begin the World Over Again,” and it’s about Lawrence of Arabia. But at the top, you have a quote from Lawrence Wilkerson, who’s a former chief of staff to Colin Powell. And in some of your writings you talk about Colin Powell being a realist.

People watching this would say, he had a chance, and he didn’t stop the idea of going into Iraq. How much of a realist was he there?

HULSMAN: I think it was a Shakespearean tragedy. I think he was a realist. But General Powell, when it came to it, did what he’d done his entire life. And I have great respect for him, and sorrow with his failing at this.

But I think he was a check upon the system that failed, because he chose to follow orders, which is what good soldiers do. My father was regular Army. I don’t denigrate that; I honor that. But he chose to be a good soldier and not a great statesman.

If he’d resigned and Tenet had gone with him over the fact that the intelligence was shaky, we would not have gone into Iraq. I have no doubt of that. So, I think that Powell has a tremendous historical burden.

The sad thing, and why it’s Shakespearean, is I think he knows that. And that must be an awful thing to live with day-to-day.

I like Wilkerson. I think Powell’s doctrine of when to get involved in wars and when not to - very cautiously, only with support, only overwhelmingly and only when American interests are at stake - is still a very good doctrine. But given the chance to implement it, he failed."

John C. Hulsman​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If we do send in strikes, O could hang it on Hillary. Perfect timing sense she's leaving next year. O could then claim peaceful dove status.

When it comes to (corporate-style) back-stabbin' & throat-cuttin' (with a heavy-dose o' Chickenhawkin')....NOBODY out-classes you 'Baggers/"conservatives"!!!​

 

[BlindBoo]

I think he would have been a poor prez, equally disappointing as what we're seeing right now. I think we can do better than involving ourselves in ME entanglements.

I agree that McCain would have been a lousy president.

BUT, as bad as Obama? I can't see it. Obama is BY FAR the worst president we have had in my lifetime - including Jimmy Carter. It's hard to imagine some one less competent than Obama.

Well, there was George W Bush who drove the country straight into the ditch, but I guess we can exclude him from the list.

I'm guessing that the loonies believe GW was one of the Best President......

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While I don't want to fuel the partisanship, I think it's difficult to separate this situation from the politics at hand. Many of the critics of Obama have regularly claimed that he would be/is weak in terms of national security, that he would not have the gumption to resort to military options when it was necessary. I fear that that prodding has contributed to the situation. Obama feels pressure to make military action an option, and to show that he has no hesitation pulling that trigger. We should not go into Libya, it is not our problem to fix, but I'm worried that avoiding military conflict there may not be politically possible.

Seeing-as-how "conservatives" (ENDLESSLY) insist that The Marketplace can solve ALL issues....I still think we need to give Big Oil that latitude to float Gadhafi a Golden Parachute....and, tell him to hit-the-road!!!

(They certainly can afford it.)​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Talk to the UN about it. Why bother us.

.....'Cause we're still a Member.....as we should be.

We can't very-well cut-n'-run (like a bunch o' Chickenhawks), when there's work, required....and, everyone (else) expects our input....again....especially since George Bush is no-longer in-Office.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

We have no business being there in ANY form. Not in a military sense nor in a diplomatic one. This is none of our business. Just further proof of why we need to GET OUT of the UNITED NATIONS ASAP!!!

Yeah....sure.....everyone's (simply) gonna allow us to take our share (of Libyan-oil) and leave!!

 

[GHook93]

This is stupid. Really.

Shouldn't the backstabbing by the Afghanis, Inhabitants of the Fictious State of Kosovo and Kuwaitis teach us that even when we save the people of a Muslim country they turn around and attack us!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Holy shit!

Inside classified Hill briefing, administration spells out war plan for Libya | The Cable

Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 8:11 PM

 

[Mr. Shaman]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya would require bombing targets inside the country, and a deputy acknowledged that Moammar Gadhafi's forces were making huge gains against the opposition.

Clinton gave her assessment during a visit to Tunisia and ahead of a planned U.N. vote, making clear the risk of possible military intervention as world powers considered broader steps to protect civilians and pressure the Libyan leader.

"A no-fly zone requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems," Clinton said as she neared the end of a Middle East trip dominated by worries about Libya.

Both the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and the top Republican, Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, expressed frustration with the administration and its articulation of policies.

Senators were in disagreement over the no-fly zone. Lugar doubted that U.S. interests would be served and said the step would require a declaration of war from Congress under the War Powers Act. He asked that Arab governments pay for any U.S. military involvement.

My Way News - Clinton: No-fly zone means bombing Libyan targets

Another war for liberal/ progressives/ centrists/ communist to protest. Liberals will send more of our young men, and women into harms way then turn against then, and not support them when they get there. Doesn't everyone feel safer now?

Dont worry, the Democrat party will be there to point fingers at the error of our ways if we do.

....More-often-referred-to as....

PRECEDENCE!!



​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I think he would have been a poor prez, equally disappointing as what we're seeing right now. I think we can do better than involving ourselves in ME entanglements.

I agree that McCain would have been a lousy president.

BUT, as bad as Obama? I can't see it. Obama is BY FAR the worst president we have had in my lifetime - including Jimmy Carter. It's hard to imagine some one less competent than Obama.

....Especially when there's.....

NO IMAGINATION, REQUIRED!

​

 

[hipeter924]

uh oh---you mean Obama might commit himself to a policy that would create more terrorists ?

Yep, its called making friends with the Muslim world.

 

[dilloduck]

uh oh---you mean Obama might commit himself to a policy that would create more terrorists ?

Yep, its called making friends with the Muslim world.

by killing them ? haven't we been through all this before. Please pick what you think to be true and stick with it.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I agree that McCain would have been a lousy president.

BUT, as bad as Obama? I can't see it. Obama is BY FAR the worst president we have had in my lifetime - including Jimmy Carter. It's hard to imagine some one less competent than Obama.

Well, there was George W Bush who drove the country straight into the ditch, but I guess we can exclude him from the list.

I'm guessing that the loonies believe GW was one of the Best President......

I'm thinkin' we should ALL revel in the fact he's (finally) found his true calling....somewhere he is competent.....pickin'-up dog shit.

​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

This is stupid. Really.

Shouldn't the backstabbing by the Afghanis, Inhabitants of the Fictious State of Kosovo and Kuwaitis teach us that even when we save the people of a Muslim country they turn around and attack us!

I'm thinkin' save is a relative-term....especially when considering......

Judeo-Christian Values

 

[Mr. Shaman]

uh oh---you mean Obama might commit himself to a policy that would create more terrorists ?

Yep, its called making friends with the Muslim world.

Yeah.....allowing people to trash Baghdad (after we rolled-in, there)....which prompted the insurgency....really made us a lotta friends.

"Stupid Teabaggers!!"​

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well, there was George W Bush

Yes there was, and McCain may well have been as bad as him - but still, not even in the same county as this fuckup, Obama.

who drove the country straight into the ditch,

Followed by Obama, who dumped a 55 gallon drum of gasoline on it and lit it on fire...


Obama: The quicker fucker upper!

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm guessing that the loonies believe GW was one of the Best President......

Dubya was a clusterfuck.

Obama is a dozen times worse.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

We just can't mind our own business. This isn't surprising to me. Both the Socialists/Progressives & Neocons love that World's Policeman/World's Referee stuff. That's why i always say they're the same entity in the end. It's all just a big dirty trick they continue to play on us. They love to pretend they're so different but in the end they both really do agree on much more than they disagree on. I just wish we had a real alternative. We have no business bombing and killing anyone in Libya. Period,end of story.

 

[Charles_Main]

What's the point. Ghadafi has already slaughtered his citizens and is now in control again.

Exactly, if we wanted to effect the out come, we should have acted 2 weeks ago. However BHO was to busy golfing and picking March madness brackets to be bothered to even talk about it until now.

Now that the Rebels are defeated he is paying lip service to the Idea of acting, when he never intended to do anything in the first place.

This presidents serious lack of leadership Experience is become more and more painfully evident.

 

[Charles_Main]

uh oh---you mean Obama might commit himself to a policy that would create more terrorists ?

Yep, its called making friends with the Muslim world.

by killing them ? haven't we been through all this before. Please pick what you think to be true and stick with it.

You do realize the Rebels who are begging for help from the UN or US, are also Muslims right.

Why is it people like you can never be totally honest. We would be defending Muslims, from a Despotic(Secular) dictatorship. Gadaffi is just like Saddam when in comes to Islam. He is normally Secular but not afraid to suddenly find religion when threatened.