The United States Is Hated Or Feared

[ReillyT]

Take into account who is hating us, and what, exactly, we'd have to do to make them love us.

Why anyone would want to be loved by backward, ignorant and tyrannical morons is beyond me.

Not all of those who dislike the United States (or more precisely, it policies and practices) is "backward, ignorant and tyrannical." That should be abundantly clear by now.

 

[Annie]

Wow Lookout, is there any proof beyond those two sites, like DOJ or something? I can't buy a anti-Clinton site along with a blogspot. Now it may well be, but that just isn't enough to get me upset.

On the other hand, assuming for a moment true, that would justify terrorism against the US? They hate us because the Clinton campaign was supposedly financed by Cocaine money?

 

[Lookout]

Wow Lookout, is there any proof beyond those two sites, like DOJ or something? I can't buy a anti-Clinton site along with a blogspot. Now it may well be, but that just isn't enough to get me upset.

On the other hand, assuming for a moment true, that would justify terrorism against the US? They hate us because the Clinton campaign was supposedly financed by Cocaine money?

Oh Kathi, it goes way way beyond that. I will post the other 2 posts here as well.


George Bush:
Crack Kingpin of the 1980s

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The following article, by Jeffrey Steinberg, appeared as the lead article of an in-depth feature in the Sept. 13, 1996 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.


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Former President George Bush, while serving as vice president in the Ronald Reagan administration in 1981-89, presided over a Nicaraguan Contra apparatus that was responsible for flooding the streets of Los Angeles' South Central district with crack cocaine, and fueling a murderous cycle of gang violence. This is the most startling conclusion to be drawn from a three-part series of articles published in California's San Jose Mercury on Aug. 18-20, 1996.


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[Editor's note, added in 2001: The following articles from the Aug. 18-20, 1996 San Jose Mercury series can be downloaded from the newslibrary.com archive for a small fee:

'Crack' Plague's Roots Are in Nicaragua War; Colombia-Bay Area Drug Pipeline Helped Finance CIa-Backed Contras '80s Effort to Assist Guerrillas, Left Legacy of Drugs, Gangs in Black L.A.

Testimony Links U.S. to Drugs-Guns Trade; Dealers Got Their 'Own Little Arsenal'

S.F. Drug Agent Thought She Hit on Something Big; As Trail Got Warm, Her Superiors Took Her Off the Case

Odd Trio Created Mass Market for 'Crack'; L.A. Dealer Might Get Life; Officials Quiet About Role of Nicaraguans

War on Drugs' Unequal Impact on U.S. Blacks; Contra Case Illustrates the Discrepancy: Nicaraguan Goes Free; L.A. Dealer Faces Life

This Time the Victims Were Americans; Another CIA Disgrace: Helping The Crack Flow]


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Based on a review of court records, recently declassified federal government documents, and eyewitness reports, Mercury reporter Gary Webb provided a detailed account of how the Nicaraguan Democratic Forces (FDN, the Contras) financed their 1980s war against the Sandinista regime in Managua, through a cocaine pipeline that went from Colombia, to the San Francisco Bay area, to the streets of Los Angeles, placing crack cocaine and guns into the hands of the Crips and the Bloods urban gangs. All the time that this crack epidemic was being unleashed by the Contras, Vice President Bush was the man in charge of the Reagan administration's Central America program, overseeing all of the activities of the CIA, the Pentagon, and every other government intelligence agency. Some of Bush's most immediate subordinates, including his National Security Adviser Donald Gregg, National Security Council staffer Lt. Col. Oliver North, and "ex"-CIA officer Felix Rodriguez, were major players in the day-to-day cocaine-Contra operations.

Speaking to 1,000 people at the annual Labor Day conference of the Schiller Institute, in Reston, Virginia on Aug. 31, Lyndon LaRouche asked: "How many thousands of federal prisoners are doing former Vice President George Bush's prison-time?"

LaRouche told the audience that he intends to make the Bush crack cocaine issue a centerpiece of the 1996 Presidential race between President Bill Clinton and his Republican challenger, Bob Dole. "Would a President Bob Dole, or a President Bill Clinton crack down on the greatest U.S. drug-trafficking kingpin of the 1980s?" LaRouche asked.

The answer may be forthcoming far quicker than either Dole or Bush would care to think. Already, as the result of wide public exposure of the San Jose Mercury charges, U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) have called for a full federal investigation of the Contra-crack connections. Senator Boxer, on Aug. 28, wrote to CIA head John Deutch, asking him to investigate the Mercury allegations, which emphasized the role of the CIA, in directing the FDN. On Sept. 4, Deutch wrote Boxer, that he had ordered the Agency's Inspector General to conduct an internal review of the allegations, and report back to him within 60 days--i.e., before the Nov. 5 national elections.

The Webb stories, while revealing devastating new documentation about the filthy underbelly of the 1980s covert wars in Central America, failed to complete the picture by tracing the command of the Central America program all the way to the top--to the Office of the Vice President. What you are about to read redresses that flaw, in an otherwise critical new contribution to the mounting body of evidence that it was George Bush who presided over the most devastating drug epidemic to beset any nation since the British Opium Wars against China during the last century.

The new evidence of the Bush Contra apparatus role in unleashing the crack epidemic and the accompanying urban gang wars, is but the latest piece, of a far bigger picture of Bush sponsorship of a global series of covert wars and other clandestine programs--all funded by government-protected illegal narcotics sales.

Prior to the Mercury series, there was already massive evidence that the Bush-North Contra apparatus was involved in flooding the United States with cocaine, through Mena, Arkansas and other locations, and repeated efforts by Congressional committees and honest agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration and other law enforcement agencies to investigate, were systematically suppressed for "national security" reasons.

The afghansi mujahideen, for example, the nominally Islamic army deployed in a decade-long war against the Soviet Red Army in Afghanistan, was financed, to a great extent, by the buildup of a massive opium and heroin trade from the Golden Crescent. At points during the height of the afghansi operations in the mid-1980s, over 50% of the heroin sold illegally on the streets of the United States and Europe, came from Afghanistan.

In Mexico, President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, a Bush clone, was responsible for a drug cartel near-takeover of Mexico; and President Bush personally ordered the overthrow of Gen. Manuel Noriega in Panama, in order to turn control over that country, especially its banking system, to the Cali Cartel.

In recent weeks, Bob Dole has accused President Clinton of abandoning the war on drugs of the Republican administrations in the 1980s. Considering that Dole is running as the candidate of the George Bush-dominated Republican Party, these attacks are the height of hypocrisy. This EIR report sets the record straight.

 

[Lookout]

"For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency." So begins the controversial three part series, published last August, by Gary Webb in the San Jose Mercury News.

The story makes the allegation that beyond selling drugs in America in the 1980's, the U.S.-backed Contra rebels, fighting a Cuban-backed Nicaraguan regime, were largely responsible for introducing crack-cocaine into the U.S. This issue has raised interest to the point that a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has begun hearings on it.

The story has been picked up by other news organizations, notably The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times. These two papers question some of Mr. Webb's sources and his findings, especially regarding the introduction of crack into America, the targetting by Contra dealers of African-American communities and the involvement of the CIA.

In his defense, Mr. Webb told The Washington Post that "this (series) doesn't prove the CIA targeted black communities. It doesn't say this was ordered by the CIA... Essentially our trail stopped at the door of the CIA."

A 1989 Senate Foreign Relations Committee report that looked into this issue also stopped just short of implicating the CIA. It stated, "There are some serious questions as to whether or not U.S. officials involved in Central America failed to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war effort against Nicaragua."

Senator John Kerry (D-MA), Chairman of that sub-Committee, had this to say about the recent allegations raised by Mr. Webb and others, "There is no question in my mind that people affiliated with, or on the payroll of the CIA were involved in drug trafficking while involved in support of the Contras, but it is also important to note that we never found any evidence to suggest that these traffickers ever targeted any one geographic area or population group."

The CIA is investigating the matter further as is the Justice Department. In 1988 the Deputy Director of the CIA, Robert Gates, led a three day investigation into the affair concluding that "all allegations that the CIA condoned, abetted or participated in narcotics trafficking are absolutely false."

With such differing views coming from within government, clearly some issues remain to be answered.

 

[Toro]

In my lifetime, never has American stature been so low around the world as it is today.

And it is not petty jealousy. That has always existed.

After 9/11, there was never so much pro-American feeling around the world. It has been squandered by this administration.

 

[Annie]

Oh Kathi, it goes way way beyond that. I will post the other 2 posts here as well.


George Bush:
Crack Kingpin of the 1980s

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The following article, by Jeffrey Steinberg, appeared as the lead article of an in-depth feature in the Sept. 13, 1996 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
This is a Lyndon LaRouche Publication. Not saying it couldn't be ok, just saying very suspect. I'm not trying to be difficult, ask anyone, I always check out the sources.

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Former President George Bush, while serving as vice president in the Ronald Reagan administration in 1981-89, presided over a Nicaraguan Contra apparatus that was responsible for flooding the streets of Los Angeles' South Central district with crack cocaine, and fueling a murderous cycle of gang violence. This is the most startling conclusion to be drawn from a three-part series of articles published in California's San Jose Mercury on Aug. 18-20, 1996.


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[Editor's note, added in 2001: The following articles from the Aug. 18-20, 1996 San Jose Mercury series can be downloaded from the newslibrary.com archive for a small fee:

'Crack' Plague's Roots Are in Nicaragua War; Colombia-Bay Area Drug Pipeline Helped Finance CIa-Backed Contras '80s Effort to Assist Guerrillas, Left Legacy of Drugs, Gangs in Black L.A.

Testimony Links U.S. to Drugs-Guns Trade; Dealers Got Their 'Own Little Arsenal'

S.F. Drug Agent Thought She Hit on Something Big; As Trail Got Warm, Her Superiors Took Her Off the Case

Odd Trio Created Mass Market for 'Crack'; L.A. Dealer Might Get Life; Officials Quiet About Role of Nicaraguans

War on Drugs' Unequal Impact on U.S. Blacks; Contra Case Illustrates the Discrepancy: Nicaraguan Goes Free; L.A. Dealer Faces Life

This Time the Victims Were Americans; Another CIA Disgrace: Helping The Crack Flow]


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Based on a review of court records, recently declassified federal government documents, and eyewitness reports, Mercury reporter Gary Webb provided a detailed account of how the Nicaraguan Democratic Forces (FDN, the Contras) financed their 1980s war against the Sandinista regime in Managua, through a cocaine pipeline that went from Colombia, to the San Francisco Bay area, to the streets of Los Angeles, placing crack cocaine and guns into the hands of the Crips and the Bloods urban gangs. All the time that this crack epidemic was being unleashed by the Contras, Vice President Bush was the man in charge of the Reagan administration's Central America program, overseeing all of the activities of the CIA, the Pentagon, and every other government intelligence agency. Some of Bush's most immediate subordinates, including his National Security Adviser Donald Gregg, National Security Council staffer Lt. Col. Oliver North, and "ex"-CIA officer Felix Rodriguez, were major players in the day-to-day cocaine-Contra operations.

Speaking to 1,000 people at the annual Labor Day conference of the Schiller Institute, in Reston, Virginia on Aug. 31, Lyndon LaRouche asked: "How many thousands of federal prisoners are doing former Vice President George Bush's prison-time?"

LaRouche told the audience that he intends to make the Bush crack cocaine issue a centerpiece of the 1996 Presidential race between President Bill Clinton and his Republican challenger, Bob Dole. "Would a President Bob Dole, or a President Bill Clinton crack down on the greatest U.S. drug-trafficking kingpin of the 1980s?" LaRouche asked.

The answer may be forthcoming far quicker than either Dole or Bush would care to think. Already, as the result of wide public exposure of the San Jose Mercury charges, U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) have called for a full federal investigation of the Contra-crack connections. Senator Boxer, on Aug. 28, wrote to CIA head John Deutch, asking him to investigate the Mercury allegations, which emphasized the role of the CIA, in directing the FDN. On Sept. 4, Deutch wrote Boxer, that he had ordered the Agency's Inspector General to conduct an internal review of the allegations, and report back to him within 60 days--i.e., before the Nov. 5 national elections.

The Webb stories, while revealing devastating new documentation about the filthy underbelly of the 1980s covert wars in Central America, failed to complete the picture by tracing the command of the Central America program all the way to the top--to the Office of the Vice President. What you are about to read redresses that flaw, in an otherwise critical new contribution to the mounting body of evidence that it was George Bush who presided over the most devastating drug epidemic to beset any nation since the British Opium Wars against China during the last century.

The new evidence of the Bush Contra apparatus role in unleashing the crack epidemic and the accompanying urban gang wars, is but the latest piece, of a far bigger picture of Bush sponsorship of a global series of covert wars and other clandestine programs--all funded by government-protected illegal narcotics sales.

Prior to the Mercury series, there was already massive evidence that the Bush-North Contra apparatus was involved in flooding the United States with cocaine, through Mena, Arkansas and other locations, and repeated efforts by Congressional committees and honest agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration and other law enforcement agencies to investigate, were systematically suppressed for "national security" reasons.

The afghansi mujahideen, for example, the nominally Islamic army deployed in a decade-long war against the Soviet Red Army in Afghanistan, was financed, to a great extent, by the buildup of a massive opium and heroin trade from the Golden Crescent. At points during the height of the afghansi operations in the mid-1980s, over 50% of the heroin sold illegally on the streets of the United States and Europe, came from Afghanistan.

In Mexico, President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, a Bush clone, was responsible for a drug cartel near-takeover of Mexico; and President Bush personally ordered the overthrow of Gen. Manuel Noriega in Panama, in order to turn control over that country, especially its banking system, to the Cali Cartel.

In recent weeks, Bob Dole has accused President Clinton of abandoning the war on drugs of the Republican administrations in the 1980s. Considering that Dole is running as the candidate of the George Bush-dominated Republican Party, these attacks are the height of hypocrisy. This EIR report sets the record straight.

I've read it. I'm sorry, just not into conspiracy theories. This is way out there. LaRouche has always seen the 'elite' conspiracy.

 

[JimH52]

This is one person’s excellent perspective on the issue:

http://www.opednews.com/dinan_081204_hated.htm



Inasmuch as America is becoming a tyrannical empire, perhaps we do deserve some of the world’s hatred of us.

Excellent Post, Matt. We have become the hated bullies of the world and have slipped closer to a fascist state and unless we elect someone in 2008 that realizes where we are slipping, the democracy that we define in this country may be redefined to something we will all regret.

 

[mattskramer]

LOL! You just avoided the "Ok, we have Doniston backing you guys up! Cheers!"

Matts, Doniston agrees with you, Jose sees the problem with the post, do you?

Per capita, we give far less as a nation than do most other nations. In whole dollars we might give more but as a percentage of our wealth, what little we give is embarrassing. We are a superpower and we use that power recklessly. Practically doing whatever we want weather or not the UN approves. As a whole, I find nothing wrong with the article that I posted.

By the way, we have not paid our fair share to the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_United_Nations#The_U.S._arrears_issue

The UN has always had problems with members refusing to pay the assessment levied upon them under the United Nations Charter. But the most significant refusal in recent times has been that of the U.S. For a number of years, the U.S. Congress refused to authorize payment of the U.S. dues, in order to force UN compliance with U.S. wishes, as well as a reduction in the U.S. assessment.

After prolonged negotiations, the U.S. and the UN negotiated an agreement whereby the United States would pay a large part of the money it owes, and in exchange the UN would reduce the assessment rate ceiling from 25% to 22%.

Concerning our generosity:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1231-01.htm

While the United States gives the most foreign development aid in terms of dollars, it ranks lowest among wealthy countries in terms of official development assistance as a percentage of gross national income.

 

[Annie]

Per capita, we give far less as a nation than do most other nations. In whole dollars we might give more but as a percentage of our wealth, what little we give is embarrassing. We are a superpower and we use that power recklessly. Practically doing whatever we want weather or not the UN approves. As a whole, I find nothing wrong with the article that I posted.

Did I miss an Article or Amendment to the Constitution regarding tithing?

 

[midcan5]

"Few people can be happy unless they hate some other person, nation, or creed." Bertrand Russel

If a Martian watched Fox news they may think Americans hated Islamofascists - whatever they may be.

Is it really possible to hate a nation? When France decided to say 'no' to Iraq, the feelings here were what exactly?

Does anyone hate Switzerland?

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[mattskramer]

Did I miss an Article or Amendment to the Constitution regarding tithing?

No but that is an irrelevant question. I never said that tithing was a requirement.

 

[Annie]

No but that is an irrelevant question. I never said that tithing was a requirement.

And at least on the face of it, there is something here, with citations that seems to contradict your statement. One forgets that the US government gives whatever and then US citizens give too. Oh before Shogun or someone else looks at the first link, UN is cited. :

http://www.jewishresearch.org/PDFs/MegaGiving_05.pdf

and another:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2676

 

[Annie]

LOL! My bad, posted the wrong link for the second. Yeah, trust me, I know.

 

[ReillyT]

And at least on the face of it, there is something here, with citations that seems to contradict your statement. One forgets that the US government gives whatever and then US citizens give too. Oh before Shogun or someone else looks at the first link, UN is cited. :

http://www.jewishresearch.org/PDFs/MegaGiving_05.pdf

and another:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2676

I thought that we gave a lot of private aid to, and I looked for a link to that effect, but (unfortunately) I came up with a link that suggested that the US doesn't compare to many other nations in that regard either.

There are a lot of studies researched in this that one would have to look up independently to verify, but if anyone is interested:

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

 

[Annie]

I thought that we gave a lot of private aid to, and I looked for a link to that effect, but (unfortunately) I came up with a link that suggested that the US doesn't compare to many other nations in that regard either.

There are a lot of studies researched in this that one would have to look up independently to verify, but if anyone is interested:

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

Here's the one I meant to post, but now can't get the pdf, so you'll have to struggle through the cache form:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...edu&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[ReillyT]

Here's the one I meant to post, but now can't get the pdf, so you'll have to struggle through the cache form:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...edu&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a

That is similar to what was on my cite. High ranking in volume, but low ranking per capita.

 

[Annie]

That is similar to what was on my cite. High ranking in volume, but low ranking per capita.

Exactly. Matt's point seems that we should be giving more. I would advise him to check how the money was spent for instance by the countries that we gave to during the tsunami. It's like the healthcare post or the education post, over a certain amount of money, it's throwing it away. We are very generous, that we don't give the percentage Matt thinks we should, too bad.

 

[trobinett]

Exactly. Matt's point seems that we should be giving more. I would advise him to check how the money was spent for instance by the countries that we gave to during the tsunami. It's like the healthcare post or the education post, over a certain amount of money, it's throwing it away. We are very generous, that we don't give the percentage Matt thinks we should, too bad.

How's about Matt make up the difference?

 

[Annie]

How's about Matt make up the difference?

Now there's an idea!

 

[mattskramer]

Exactly. Matt's point seems that we should be giving more. I would advise him to check how the money was spent for instance by the countries that we gave to during the tsunami. It's like the healthcare post or the education post, over a certain amount of money, it's throwing it away. We are very generous, that we don't give the percentage Matt thinks we should, too bad.

Did I miss how our international aid was spent? Was it in one of the links that was posted? Even if other nations (or people within those nations) wasted our donations, doesn’t it follow that they also wasted the money that other nations gave. That does not negate the fact that, per capita, the USA gives very little. I contend that it should follow the examples of other nations when it comes to giving as a measure of what it can give.

I still contend that the USA should contribute more than it does in foreign aid and use per capita as a measure. I’m reminded of the widow’s mite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesson_of_the_widow's_mite

Witnessing the donations made by the rich men, Jesus highlights how a poor widow donates only two mites, the least valuable coins available at the time. But, Jesus observes, this sum was everything she had to her name, while the other people give only a small portion of their own wealth.

An old, thin lady approached my car while I was at a stop light. I suspected that she might want money for drugs or alcohol. She asked me for some change. I did not have time to investigate her and confirm how she would spend my money. I went ahead and gave her a dollar and merely asked that she spend it carefully. Was it wasted or used wisely? I will never know.