The uninsured

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    The Uninsured
    NY Times

    Published: August 22, 2009




    One of the major goals of health care reform is to cover the vast numbers of uninsured. But how vast, really, is that pool of people? Who are they? And how important is it to cover all or most of them?


    Critics play down the seriousness of the problem by pointing out that the ranks of the uninsured include many people who have chosen to forgo coverage or are only temporarily uninsured: workers who could afford to pay but decline their employers’ coverage; the self-employed who choose not to pay for more expensive individual coverage; healthy young people who prefer not to buy insurance they may never need; people who are changing jobs; poor people who are eligible for Medicaid but have failed to enroll. And then there are the illegal immigrants, a favorite target of critics.


    All that is true, to some degree. But the implication — that lack of insurance is no big deal and surely not worth spending a trillion dollars to fix — is not.


    No matter how you slice the numbers, there are tens of millions of people without insurance, often for extended periods, and there is good evidence that lack of insurance is harmful to their health.


    Scores of well-designed studies have shown that uninsured people are more likely than insured people to die prematurely, to have their cancers diagnosed too late, or to die from heart failure, a heart attack, a stroke or a severe injury. The Institute of Medicine estimated in 2004 that perhaps 18,000 deaths a year among adults could be attributed to lack of insurance.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23sun1.html

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    The people who are uninsured are those who can work, but don't, aren't disabled, don't have kids in the home, and aren't old enough to get medicare.

    I see them every day.
     
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    Bull Shit
    Try people who have been laid off from work, young people who are entering the workforce with massive college debt and employers who won't provide insurance to new employees, the self employed who get charged exhorbitant rates, people with pre-existing conditions who can't find coverage.

    Far from dead beats
     
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    It is not my responsibility to provide health insurance to anyone other than myself and family. It is also not the governments responsibility. Nowhere in the Constitution is this provided for. Health insurance is not a "right" to be provided for by the government. Why is that such a hard concept for you to accept? It is not intended that the government take care of us from birth to the grave. Take some responsibility for yourself for a change.
     
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    BONK !!

    When the MIC can keep us in two expensive wars, CEOs can receive $Millions in bonuses, lobbyists can spend a $Million per day on Congressmen, I think we can spend money on healthcare for the poor. We have just lived thru eight years of intensive spending by republican oinkers...pork ! pork ! Year 2005 was a history-making year for republican frenzied feeding at the trough of taxpayers funds including 'The Bridge to Nowhere' which finally brought outcries of rage from the American population.

    We can spend to bring some alleviation to the poor families so that they may retain their health and I believe the government owes them that. As a taxpayer, I don't mind giving my tax money to rehabilitate the poor so they may live longer and healthier lives. What I DO mind, is to have my taxes go to the huge war machine that is intent on killing our brave men and women and innocent civilians in war torn countries.

    An excellent healthcare plan for every American citizen is inherent in the Democratic process....not just for Congressmen and government workers (paid for by the taxpayers) ....but for every American. If it is good enough for Congress, it should be good enough for the taxpayer !!
     
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    It is not my responsibility to pay for your unconstitutional preemptive imperialistic nations building resource grabbing BS either. Nowhere in the Constitution is this provided for. Imperialism is not a right granted under the Constitution, in fact, it is expressly prohibited.

    And as unconstitutional imperialism goes, its a bad investment because we don't get anything, not a 51st or 52nd state, not a colony, not squat. Just more welfare for Halliburton and Blackwater and military industrial complex parasites, and the big oil gluttons and the rest of the tax evading government draining vampiric robber barons.

    All we get is debt and dead and wounded. For what? So we can try democratic experiments on stone age ideologies that enslave women and thwart progress and justice?

    No thanks.
     
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    Since when is it the govt.'s job to make sure we all have insurance?
     
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    Ahh nothing like a good NYT oped. :lol:
     
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    If you're poor you can get help through medicaid if youre eligible. For those that lose their job there is COBRA to help those folks out. (COBRA) The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 requires most employers with group health plans to offer employees the opportunity to continue temporarily their group health care coverage under their employer's plan if their coverage otherwise would cease due to termination, layoff, or other change in employment status (referred to as "qualifying events").

    Congressmen/women and govt. workers use private health insurance companies.

    You cannot rehabilitate those who have yet to be habilitated.

    Welfare is what keeps poor people poor. What incentatives to welfare recipients have to improve their situation?
     
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