The Ultimate Secular Christmas "Hymn"

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    I know people go wild for this Josh Groban song, but as I heard it on the radio yesterday, two things occurred to me:

    1. The sentimentality of it is based on nothing. Absolutely nothing. I would never have my students sing this song because I recognize that straight away. "Dreams", "destinations", but mostly, some nebulous "feeling" that is fleeting and tentative. Footie pajamas, opening presents, snow, hot chocolate--I don't know what. Do not get me wrong: there are very good songs about working toward and achieving dreams. This is not one of them.

    2. It's sentimental schlock. It's Christmas without any religion. It's what you're left with when it's all holiday with no foundation. I say that's fine if you're trying for Rudolph and Let it Snow and Jingle Bells. When you try to reach for Meaningful, you end up with....this.

    What do you think?

     
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    You didn't get the meaning of that movie at all, did you?
     
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    we do it every xmas gig>

    we'll also wear corny xmas hats , so if there's any athiests offended i'll personally pay them back their door fee to get the F out of our Xmas gig

    ~S~
     
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    It says "You're a special snowflake, you can do anything if you just believe in yourself." A la Secular Humanism, removing Christ from Christmas.

    While that's a good attitude to have, at times it's best to realize when things are not going as expected and try something different. It's also good to realize there may be forces at work bigger than yourself around.


    2 things Christmas centers around:

    Bible Gateway passage: Luke 2:1-20 - King James Version


    and/or

    https://www.biography.com/people/st-nicholas-204635

    Either way, it's a Christian holiday.


     
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    I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but this is what the makers of that movie said and did.
    Is The Polar Express an evangelical film?
     
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    nice song------it's art. Are the prints of Durer actual religion?
     
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    so many q's.......do bumbles really bounce?
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    is there a blue or green baron?
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    was rudolph just another crackhead?
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    ~S~
     
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    I disagree and obviously, so does most of popular culture. "Just believe in Santa and you will get those warm and fuzzy feelings". That's the entire movie, so it would seem, and also the song.

    Unfortunately this is what almost all unbelievers think Christianity is as well. In Polar Express it's sentimental slop, really. The boy ends up believing for a few more years I suppose--lovely. Then what?
     
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    What about a Christmas Hyr?
     
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    In some ways I think it's actually worse than that. It says "Just keep believing in this fairy tale--that adults know is a fairy tale, actually--because on a few days a year it will give you a special, special feeling. Based on nothing."

    I'm not THAT sentimental, I find. I just can't be. You can sell me on Rudolph, Winter Wonderland and all of that. But you can't sell me on that sentimental slop.
     

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