The Ultimate Obama Question

[The Rabbi]

The Rabbi is the King Fool of the Unsubstantiated Statement.

Do not expect clear, concise evidence.

Do expect ad hom attacks.

You really need to stop appropriating titles other people have given to you. You are King Stool on his throne of Idiocy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All of Obama's proposals are simply more of the same. Temporary breaks never work, as we discovered i cash for clunkers etc. It simply pushes demand into a short window.
He is incapable of learning. His policies are total disasters. And the worst part is he has no idea either that they failed or how to fix them.

We're in an economic slowdown, and have been through a deep recession, because the Bush tax cuts didn't work.

 

[rightwinger]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

Consider yourself to be in the eye of the storm. The next president won't be so layed backed and composed, count on it.

Good. I dont want a president laid back and composed when al Qaeda is planning attacks on this country and we are facing a grave economic crisis. I dont want someone taking more vacations in 2 years than I'e had in 20. I want someone engaged and concerned. And Obama isn't it.

I'm sure you mean composed as in response to 9-11 attacking a country that had nothing to do with terrorism, composed as in facing the worst economic crisis in 70 years and looking like a deer in the headlights

Yes we need more of that Republican composure

 

[California Girl]

The Rabbi is the King Fool of the Unsubstantiated Statement.

Do not expect clear, concise evidence.

Do expect ad hom attacks.

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

 

[HUGGY]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

A president can only suggest legislation. He is only one of many sources for the introduction of legislative ideas. We in America do not desire or need a dictator. The new(last 40 years) republican influences on legislation and de-regulation of existing legislation has been a disaster for the vast majority of the population of this country.

I think a better question would be if you are really a Rabbi. If so or not it is curious why more Jewish people are not offended by you. It begs the question are Jewish clergy really this stupid?

 

[geauxtohell]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

Presidents write bills? Didn't you ever take civics? Wait, this explains so much.

As for new ideas, I'd say the whole healthcare thing was pretty radical.

You might not agree with him, but Obama hasn't been twiddling his thumbs during his time in office.

 

[rightwinger]

Rabbi

As we already know, Obama will be rated as one of the top ten Presidents by the time he leaves office in 2016. The question is ....where will he be ranked?

Right now, it appears somewhere between 7 and 10. Alot will depend on foreign policy six years from now. But with the historic passing of healthcare, bringing the US out of the worst recession in 70 years and finance reform...his place in the top 10 will be assured

 

[The Rabbi]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

Presidents write bills? Didn't you ever take civics? Wait, this explains so much.

As for new ideas, I'd say the whole healthcare thing was pretty radical.

You might not agree with him, but Obama hasn't been twiddling his thumbs during his time in office.

Oh, so you mean Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty was actually the product of Congress and he had nothing to do with it? Or Nixon's wage and price controls really came out of Congress and Nixon was just doing nothing all that time? Or Clinton's welfare reform actually was the product of Congress and Clinton just took credit for it?
Maybe all these programs are just called after the president who signed the legislation, and he had zero to do with drafting any of it?
Do you have the slightest knowledge of politics and the process beyond a child's video on Youtube? This might explain a lot of your responses, and those of Radioman.

As for healthcare, Obama had very very little input. Remember the speech where he was supposed to "take control of the debate" and he said what he had always said? Healthcare was the product of Democrats in Congress, not the Obama administration. There was never, not once, a bill that was known as "the president's bill on healthcare."

 

[geauxtohell]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

Presidents write bills? Didn't you ever take civics? Wait, this explains so much.

As for new ideas, I'd say the whole healthcare thing was pretty radical.

You might not agree with him, but Obama hasn't been twiddling his thumbs during his time in office.

Oh, so you mean Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty was actually the product of Congress and he had nothing to do with it? Or Nixon's wage and price controls really came out of Congress and Nixon was just doing nothing all that time? Or Clinton's welfare reform actually was the product of Congress and Clinton just took credit for it?
Maybe all these programs are just called after the president who signed the legislation, and he had zero to do with drafting any of it?
Do you have the slightest knowledge of politics and the process beyond a child's video on Youtube? This might explain a lot of your responses, and those of Radioman.

As for healthcare, Obama had very very little input. Remember the speech where he was supposed to "take control of the debate" and he said what he had always said? Healthcare was the product of Democrats in Congress, not the Obama administration. There was never, not once, a bill that was known as "the president's bill on healthcare."

Good you are moronic. Presidents push their agenda. Congress drafts the bills, with suggestions from the administration. Just because the President's name follows an agenda piece doesn't mean they wrote it. You honestly think Clinton wrote the welfare reform act? That came out of the GOP congress and was a cornerstone of the GOP's "Contract with America". You guys have been claiming credit for the damn thing for over ten years, now you are going to tell me Clinton actually wrote it?

Or likewise, have you guys not been bitching about Obama's Healthcare Reform act for the past year or so?

How many bills did W. write?

 

[editec]

He's far from my favority POTUS.

He's also far from my least favorite.

He's another damned by moderation Democrat.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You're the one who doesn't get it, not me.

No, I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. Of course since you can't or wont spell it out it's hard to tell.

I spelled it out pretty damn well.

Maybe someone else can explain it to you.

If your intent was to claim Presidents never get Congressman to submit bills for them, you fail.

And I am wondering why when the left insists everything done during Bush's terms was done by him personally you never posted this video?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

All of Obama's proposals are simply more of the same. Temporary breaks never work, as we discovered i cash for clunkers etc. It simply pushes demand into a short window.
He is incapable of learning. His policies are total disasters. And the worst part is he has no idea either that they failed or how to fix them.

We're in an economic slowdown, and have been through a deep recession, because the Bush tax cuts didn't work.

Is that why Obama is considering keeping most of them?

 

[boedicca]

He's a professional community organizer parasitic academic from an elite entitlement promoting institution. Nothing in his experience is indicative of executive-managerial competency or leadership ability. People confusing the "sermonizing" during his campaign with leadership. It's not the same thing.

He is appallingly unsuited for the reality of Being President.

 

[geauxtohell]

No, I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. Of course since you can't or wont spell it out it's hard to tell.

I spelled it out pretty damn well.

Maybe someone else can explain it to you.

If your intent was to claim Presidents never get Congressman to submit bills for them, you fail.

And I am wondering why when the left insists everything done during Bush's terms was done by him personally you never posted this video?

So are we blaming Obama or congress for this healthcare thing?

 

[RadiomanATL]

No, I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. Of course since you can't or wont spell it out it's hard to tell.

I spelled it out pretty damn well.

Maybe someone else can explain it to you.

If your intent was to claim Presidents never get Congressman to submit bills for them, you fail.

Good thing it wasn't my intent then.

And I am wondering why when the left insists everything done during Bush's terms was done by him personally you never posted this video?

Cause I haven't seen anyone on the left claim that Bush never wrote a bill?

 

[RadiomanATL]

I spelled it out pretty damn well.

Maybe someone else can explain it to you.

If your intent was to claim Presidents never get Congressman to submit bills for them, you fail.

And I am wondering why when the left insists everything done during Bush's terms was done by him personally you never posted this video?

So are we blaming Obama or congress for this healthcare thing?

I'm running with Obama. It was his big policy push.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

A president can only suggest legislation. He is only one of many sources for the introduction of legislative ideas. We in America do not desire or need a dictator. The new(last 40 years) republican influences on legislation and de-regulation of existing legislation has been a disaster for the vast majority of the population of this country.

I think a better question would be if you are really a Rabbi. If so or not it is curious why more Jewish people are not offended by you. It begs the question are Jewish clergy really this stupid?

Until 1994 the House was controlled exclusively by the Democrats since 1952. The Senate during most of that time was Controlled by the Democrats also with a few 2 year periods of Republican control.

Our economic mess is BECAUSE of the Democrats. Our laws are mostly Democratic proposed and passed laws.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

socialism simply doesn't work.

"Socialism" is an ambiguous word, dude. What signification do you attach to the word?

I'll toss out one new idea for Obama's consideration: prohibit the short-sale of stock.

I thought you right wingers believed that government regulations are socialism.

Ideally it would provide capital for business investment and job creation.

I thought you wing nuts believed that government providing capital and jobs was socialism.

Then add that to the tax-breaks for creating or in-sourcing jobs and we should get the economy moving.

I thought you flying monkeys on the right believed government interference in the economy was socialism.

 

[geauxtohell]

Would Obama make a good president?

Now I know some will object that he's been president for 20 months now. But that's only technically true. He was sworn in, yes. But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas. He has not changed the face of debate in Washington. He has only intensified its acrimony and partisanship. He is the campaigner in chief, globe hopping to campaign for this or that.
So if Obama were ever to become president, how would he do?

A president can only suggest legislation. He is only one of many sources for the introduction of legislative ideas. We in America do not desire or need a dictator. The new(last 40 years) republican influences on legislation and de-regulation of existing legislation has been a disaster for the vast majority of the population of this country.

I think a better question would be if you are really a Rabbi. If so or not it is curious why more Jewish people are not offended by you. It begs the question are Jewish clergy really this stupid?

Until 1994 the House was controlled exclusively by the Democrats since 1952. The Senate during most of that time was Controlled by the Democrats also with a few 2 year periods of Republican control.

Our economic mess is BECAUSE of the Democrats. Our laws are mostly Democratic proposed and passed laws.

So you find this thread to be a little absurd too?

 

[Greenbeard]

But he has yet to govern. There has not been a single bill that was the product of his own work. Every one passed came from the Democrats in Congress. He has introduced no new ideas.

He is incapable of learning. His policies are total disasters.

So he hasn't "governed" (introduced his own policies) yet, preferring to defer to Congress for that "legislating" thing, but his policies are still total disasters. Somehow he has implemented his policies without lifting a finger, it seems. That's impressive.

Oh, so you mean Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty was actually the product of Congress and he had nothing to do with it?

Funny story about that. The Economic Opportunity Act was indeed written by the Johnson administration--in large part by a group led by Sargent Shriver, who would be appointed by Johnson to run the main agency created by the law to implement the War on Poverty. In other words, the czar wrote the law that defined his powers. Is that what you'd like to see more of?

As for healthcare, Obama had very very little input. Remember the speech where he was supposed to "take control of the debate" and he said what he had always said? Healthcare was the product of Democrats in Congress, not the Obama administration. There was never, not once, a bill that was known as "the president's bill on healthcare."

First of all, it's well known that the Obama administration sought to take the opposite path from that taken by Bill Clinton: whereas Clinton set up an executive branch task force to write his health care bill (which never made it out of a Congressional committee), Obama deferred to Congress to do the actual writing of the legislation. However, to say he had very little input is absurd: he's the one who defined the terms of the debate in 2007-08. He's the one who ran for President on a platform of expanding access and reforming the insurance market through:

• Guaranteed eligibility
• Comprehensive benefits
• Subsidies in the individual market
• A health insurance exchange
• An emphasis on data-driven improvement (e.g. quality reporting, administrative simplification)
• Required employer contributions
• Medicaid expansions
• Increasing emphasis on coordinated and integrated care models, as well as attention to chronic conditions
• Linking payment to outcomes and discouraging preventable re-admissions
• Comparative effectiveness research

That was the plan he offered during the campaign. Amazingly, that's also exactly the form the bills Congress wrote took. Did everything he wanted get in there? Well, yes and no. There are more things on the campaign list (a new public plan, an ability to negotiate drug prices downward, strengthening antitrust law) that didn't become law. However, that's not to say they weren't in the bills--the House bill contained all of those things. In fact, the House bill is pretty much exactly what you might have expected Candidate Obama to have written had he done it himself (it even had a national health insurance exchange instead of state-based exchanges). But what matters is what can clear the Senate and that was something for the Senate to figure out. The law that passed was still virtually identical (certainly in broad form it was indistinguishable from Obama's proposals and the House bill), just missing a few elements.

If you think the health care law would've looked different if the Obama administration had taken a heavy-handed approach to the legislative process, you're mistaken. The law that Congress wrote is exactly what he campaigned on. It seems the President is significantly more skilled at this than you. But I'm sure he'd appreciate your astute analysis of the policymaking process.