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It has become pretty obvious what the deal is with PFC Bradley Manning. He has been held in extended solitary confinement, without so much as underwear, for quite some time now. This isn’t to soften him up for trial (odious enough in itself), because they have him dead to rights. It’s an open and shut case, and they could court martial him at any time, and put him in jail for 400 years, or just have him shot.
But that’s not the point. They want something from young private Manning, and they’ll torment him until they get it.
What they want is Julian Assange.
As it stands, Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than journalism. In a free society, this is no crime...However, in this age of police states and “national security” (which apparently includes banking shenanigans), it is a crime worse than treason or even cracking a joke in an airport.
Consider: Sweden issues an Interpol “Red” warrant - usually issued against terrorists, etc - for the purpose of “talking to him” about a couple of women who insist that they were raped because he “charmed” them into bed, and they had rather convenient second thoughts months after the fact, and immediately after Assange became public enemy #1. Amazingly enough, this urgent case sort of bogged down once they had their hands on him, and appears to be in limbo.
That will change, of course, after the US government has driven Manning mad enough to make any accusations they wish him to make. Specifically, that accusation would be that Assange conspired with Manning ahead of time, and convinced him to leak the infamous cables...At which point Assange goes from “outlaw journalist” to “accused spy”, in a manner that would make Red China blush.
So here’s the short and skinny...”Enhanced Interrogation” (read: torture, or at the very least outright coercion, to one degree or another) supposedly used only on “ticking time bomb terrorists” is now being used against an American soldier, not to get intel, but to produce a convenient accusation.
Think what you like about Manning, or Assange, or - for that matter - journalism itself, but the fact remains that we are now coercing accusations out of our own soldiers to tidy up political problems.
The "small government right wing" will approve of this abuse in the name of "national security", and in doing so support the Obama adminstration.
The left will ignore it because it is being conducted by the Obama administration, and in doing so support the policies of Bush and Rumsfeld.
And if you’ll put up with that, you’ll put up with anything, won’t you? That's what America™ is all about. Two "sides" of chumps, bickering over an arbitrary, imaginary "difference" in what passes for beliefs.
Way to go, monkeyboys.
I stole this from another board, but I think it may in fact be the truth:
It has become pretty obvious what the deal is with PFC Bradley Manning. He has been held in extended solitary confinement, without so much as underwear, for quite some time now. This isn’t to soften him up for trial (odious enough in itself), because they have him dead to rights. It’s an open and shut case, and they could court martial him at any time, and put him in jail for 400 years, or just have him shot.
But that’s not the point. They want something from young private Manning, and they’ll torment him until they get it.
What they want is Julian Assange.
As it stands, Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than journalism. In a free society, this is no crime...However, in this age of police states and “national security” (which apparently includes banking shenanigans), it is a crime worse than treason or even cracking a joke in an airport.
Consider: Sweden issues an Interpol “Red” warrant - usually issued against terrorists, etc - for the purpose of “talking to him” about a couple of women who insist that they were raped because he “charmed” them into bed, and they had rather convenient second thoughts months after the fact, and immediately after Assange became public enemy #1. Amazingly enough, this urgent case sort of bogged down once they had their hands on him, and appears to be in limbo.
That will change, of course, after the US government has driven Manning mad enough to make any accusations they wish him to make. Specifically, that accusation would be that Assange conspired with Manning ahead of time, and convinced him to leak the infamous cables...At which point Assange goes from “outlaw journalist” to “accused spy”, in a manner that would make Red China blush.
So here’s the short and skinny...”Enhanced Interrogation” (read: torture, or at the very least outright coercion, to one degree or another) supposedly used only on “ticking time bomb terrorists” is now being used against an American soldier, not to get intel, but to produce a convenient accusation.
Think what you like about Manning, or Assange, or - for that matter - journalism itself, but the fact remains that we are now coercing accusations out of our own soldiers to tidy up political problems.
The "small government right wing" will approve of this abuse in the name of "national security", and in doing so support the Obama adminstration.
The left will ignore it because it is being conducted by the Obama administration, and in doing so support the policies of Bush and Rumsfeld.
And if you’ll put up with that, you’ll put up with anything, won’t you? That's what America™ is all about. Two "sides" of chumps, bickering over an arbitrary, imaginary "difference" in what passes for beliefs.
Way to go, monkeyboys.
Capitol Grilling: CHANGE!
Who are you and what have you done with the USA?
I personally don't give a Fuck what they might do to this traitor. Torture him all day, everyday, for all I care.
i wonder if obama privately considers manning and assange heros
I stole this from another board, but I think it may in fact be the truth:
It has become pretty obvious what the deal is with PFC Bradley Manning. He has been held in extended solitary confinement, without so much as underwear, for quite some time now. This isnt to soften him up for trial (odious enough in itself), because they have him dead to rights. Its an open and shut case, and they could court martial him at any time, and put him in jail for 400 years, or just have him shot.
But thats not the point. They want something from young private Manning, and theyll torment him until they get it.
What they want is Julian Assange.
As it stands, Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than journalism. In a free society, this is no crime...However, in this age of police states and national security (which apparently includes banking shenanigans), it is a crime worse than treason or even cracking a joke in an airport.
Consider: Sweden issues an Interpol Red warrant - usually issued against terrorists, etc - for the purpose of talking to him about a couple of women who insist that they were raped because he charmed them into bed, and they had rather convenient second thoughts months after the fact, and immediately after Assange became public enemy #1. Amazingly enough, this urgent case sort of bogged down once they had their hands on him, and appears to be in limbo.
That will change, of course, after the US government has driven Manning mad enough to make any accusations they wish him to make. Specifically, that accusation would be that Assange conspired with Manning ahead of time, and convinced him to leak the infamous cables...At which point Assange goes from outlaw journalist to accused spy, in a manner that would make Red China blush.
So heres the short and skinny...Enhanced Interrogation (read: torture, or at the very least outright coercion, to one degree or another) supposedly used only on ticking time bomb terrorists is now being used against an American soldier, not to get intel, but to produce a convenient accusation.
Think what you like about Manning, or Assange, or - for that matter - journalism itself, but the fact remains that we are now coercing accusations out of our own soldiers to tidy up political problems.
The "small government right wing" will approve of this abuse in the name of "national security", and in doing so support the Obama adminstration.
The left will ignore it because it is being conducted by the Obama administration, and in doing so support the policies of Bush and Rumsfeld.
And if youll put up with that, youll put up with anything, wont you? That's what America is all about. Two "sides" of chumps, bickering over an arbitrary, imaginary "difference" in what passes for beliefs.
Way to go, monkeyboys.
Capitol Grilling: CHANGE!
Who are you and what have you done with the USA?
i wonder if obama privately considers manning and assange heros
All of this is completely baseless and then you go on to scream torture where no torture exists whatsoever....
Do you even understand what the word means or is everything that is uncomfortable now considered torture?
And the media never lies???All of this is completely baseless and then you go on to scream torture where no torture exists whatsoever....
Do you even understand what the word means or is everything that is uncomfortable now considered torture?
first of all I screamed nothing, only the last sentence of the OP was my own.
But you certainly can't rule out torture since the media itself is reporting he is deprived clothing and has been held in solitary confinement since he was arrested.
The author brings up a good point, Manning could have been convicted months ago. So why is he not facing trial?
The brig staff are protecting him.
Um...in a free society Private Manning joined the military. He's not a member of society stating his opinion, he's a member of the military leaking secret information. To equate those is beyond idiotic. As for Assange, he could be arrested if he enters the US, but other then that I would not pursue him. When you publish secret information there is consequences and an American who did that to other countries would be no different.As it stands, Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than journalism. In a free society, this is no crime...
All of this is completely baseless and then you go on to scream torture where no torture exists whatsoever....
Do you even understand what the word means or is everything that is uncomfortable now considered torture?
first of all I screamed nothing, only the last sentence of the OP was my own.
But you certainly can't rule out torture since the media itself is reporting he is deprived clothing and has been held in solitary confinement since he was arrested.
The author brings up a good point, Manning could have been convicted months ago. So why is he not facing trial?
The brig staff are protecting him.
hillarious. Protecting him from a speedy trial no doubt.
If he is a traitor, a federal offense, why is he being charged and tried by the military?
Um...in a free society Private Manning joined the military. He's not a member of society stating his opinion, he's a member of the military leaking secret information. To equate those is beyond idiotic. As for Assange, he could be arrested if he enters the US, but other then that I would not pursue him. When you publish secret information there is consequences and an American who did that to other countries would be no different.As it stands, Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than journalism. In a free society, this is no crime...
Um...in a free society Private Manning joined the military. He's not a member of society stating his opinion, he's a member of the military leaking secret information. To equate those is beyond idiotic. As for Assange, he could be arrested if he enters the US, but other then that I would not pursue him. When you publish secret information there is consequences and an American who did that to other countries would be no different.As it stands, Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than journalism. In a free society, this is no crime...
Firstly, it should be born in mind that Assange is not a journalist. What he did was espionage. And that is a crime, in the US and internationally.
