The Truth About Iraq

[manu1959]

of course... all I know about you is what you chose to spread out in words for everyone to read here.

You could really be a pimply faced teenager, for all I know....and so could I.

It is all just ideas.

I have expressed my ideas about Iraq. Some people have let me know that my words have helped to enlighten and alter their viewpoints....some people have let me know that they think I am a pompous prick.

Win some...lose some.

well here is your chance.....you said you know me.....change my view on iraq....

 

[maineman]

and that is quite a gig: convincing people to pay YOU to build YOUR ideas for YOU.

One would think, that with those powers of virtually hypnotic persuasion,, you could get ME to change MY mind!..

 

[manu1959]

and that is quite a gig: convincing people to pay YOU to build YOUR ideas for YOU.

One would think, that with those powers of virtually hypnotic persuasion,, you could get ME to change MY mind!..

it is called being an architect and it is quite an interesting gig.....

changing peoples minds does not interest me ......

 

[maineman]

it is called being an architect and it is quite an interesting gig.....

changing peoples minds does not interest me ......

there are too many first person pronouns in your sentence:

....i am pretty good at it .....made 5.5 mill gross profit last year convincing people to pay me to build my ideas for me....


I think architects are paid to build their ideas for the benefit of other people... but I certainly could be wrong.

 

[manu1959]

there are too many first person pronouns in your sentence:

....i am pretty good at it .....made 5.5 mill gross profit last year convincing people to pay me to build my ideas for me....


I think architects are paid to build their ideas for the benefit of other people... but I certainly could be wrong.

depends how you look at it.....depends if you see architure as art or utility or both

 

[maineman]

depends how you look at it.....depends if you see architure as art or utility or both

why return on my investment do I get from paying you to build something that you design for your use?

 

[manu1959]

why return on my investment do I get from paying you to build something that you design for your use?

it is the definition of use i guess...

my use is visual and i use it to get others to build one .....

when it is done you get to keep it....if you want to sell it fine....if you want to live in it fine....

the idea is still mine....i still get to use it....

wanna buy one......

 

[maineman]

it is the definition of use i guess...

my use is visual and i use it to get others to build one .....

when it is done you get to keep it....if you want to sell it fine....if you want to live in it fine....

the idea is still mine....i still get to use it....

wanna buy one......

if you want to build me one in San Miguel de Allende in Mexico, I would definitely consider it.

 

[manu1959]

if you want to build me one in San Miguel de Allende in Mexico, I would definitely consider it.

don't work outside the US....don't out source outside the US either

 

[Stephanie]

This thread IS so pathetic...

We have 150,000 troops over in Iraq, and the poster post a thread of a few who have been over there and then say...........THIS IS THE TRUTH...And we're just suppose to take it as all there is, and ask no questions??? And then when we do, we are accused of just asking questions about it, because we are Bush's shills....

You have got to be kidding....

 

[jillian]

This thread IS so pathetic...

We have 150,000 troops over in Iraq, and the poster post a thread of a few who have been over there and then say...........THIS IS THE TRUTH...And we're just suppose to take it as all there is, and ask no questions??? And then when we do, we are accused of just asking questions about it, because we are Bush's shills....

You have got to be kidding....

Who says don't ask questions. You just need to assess credibility and ask yourself whose ox gets gored by the truth.

But the admin would never er... sugar coat, huh?

 

[Louie]

one by one these poor bastards are getting killed

 

[jillian]

Just to update the thread starter:

WASHINGTON (Sept. 12) - "Engaging in the banalities of life has become
a death-defying act," the seven soldiers wrote of the war they had
seen in Iraq .


They were referring to the ordeals of Iraqi citizens, trying to go
about their lives with death and suffering all around them. But sadly,
although they did not know it at the time, they might almost have been
referring to themselves.


Two of the soldiers who wrote of their pessimism about the war in an
Op-Ed article that appeared in The New York Times on Aug. 19 were
killed in Baghdad on Monday. They were not killed in combat, nor on a
daring mission. They died when the five-ton cargo truck in which they
were riding overturned.


The victims, Staff Sgt. Yance T. Gray, 26, and Sgt. Omar Mora, 28,
were among the authors of "The War as We Saw It," in which they
expressed doubts about reports of progress.


"As responsible infantrymen and noncommissioned officers with the 82nd
Airborne Division soon heading back home, we are skeptical of recent
press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable and
feel it has neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest
we see every day," the soldiers wrote.


Sergeant Gray's mother, Karen Gray, said by telephone on Wednesday
from Ismay, Mont., where Yance grew up, "My son was a soldier in his
heart from the age of 5," and she added, "He loved what he was
doing."


The sergeant's father, Richard, said of his son, "But he wasn't any
mindless robot."


Sergeant Gray leaves a wife, Jessica, and a daughter, Ava, born in
April. He is also survived by a brother and a sister.


Mora's mother, Olga Capetillo of Texas City, Tex., told The Daily News
in Galveston that her son had grown increasingly gloomy about Iraq. "I
told him God is going to take care of him and take him home," she
said.


A native of Ecuador, Sergeant Mora had recently become an American
citizen. "He was proud of this country, and he wanted to go over and
help," his stepfather, Robert Capetillo, told The Houston Chronicle.
Sergeant Mora leaves a wife, Christa, and a daughter, Jordan, who is
5. Survivors also include a brother and a sister.


While the seven soldiers were composing their article, one of them,
Staff Sgt. Jeremy A. Murphy, was shot in the head. He was flown to a
military hospital in the United States and is expected to survive. The
other authors were Buddhika Jayamaha, an Army specialist, and Sgts.
Wesley D. Smith, Jeremy Roebuck and Edward Sandmeier.


"We need not talk about our morale," they wrote in closing. "As
committed soldiers, we will see this mission through."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.artists.springsteen/browse_thread/thread/dc17bd954c58e8d0

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Just to update the thread starter:



http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.artists.springsteen/browse_thread/thread/dc17bd954c58e8d0

And your point? The fact that hundreds of thousands of American troops have served in Iraq and all you can find is 7 that wrote against it should be telling. I will add that these 7 did not desert or refuse to serve, which is a good thing. But it does not make their opinion in more important than the thousands that have said nothing, or the ones that have AGREED with the mission and our presence there, NOR with the fact we are still successfully recruiting for all branches of the military.

Any death is a sad thing, any dead military member is a sad thing. But one does not take off their pack and drop their rifle because some have died. In Okinawa on a training mission my battalion had a Marine drown. The Col had to talk to the battalion because a few Marines were upset we didn't pack up and go back to barracks. The mission doesn't end because someone dies, in combat or due to an accident. You do not honor fallen military personal by quiting or abandoning a mission because some have died.