The Trump Wall is "virtually unpenetratable", right?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Check this out:

Trump Boasted That His Border Wall Was 'Virtually Impenetrable.' Then an 8-Year-Old Girl Climbed a Replica

Well, this 8 year old latino tested it and climbed right over it. My advice to you my American brothers and sisters is, that don't think with your 300 pound soda bellies. Other nations don't have those, so they will walk right across you, starting with your fences.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts are as someone who has been involved in history and law most of his life is that the wall is the dumbest and most idiotic idea ever conjured up in the mind of anyone. Walls have proven to be worthless and, at this juncture, divisive.

Nobody with an IQ higher than their shoe size would support the wall idea. The peripheral laws required to enforce the wall alone cost more in lost Liberties and Freedoms than they deliver in even promised results. The right has demanded a Constitution Free Zone, the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance, armed drones policing the border (which the right says is law enforcement so those drones will be in the heartland watching ALL of us in the future); there has been the total evisceration of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments along with the nullification of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty. The peripheral laws include attacks against private property Rights; eminent domain abuse at a level that threatens ALL Americans, and the creation of a government so big that the citizenry will not be able to resist tyranny.

Communist Russia was all about the Motherland Security, Nazis had Fatherland Security and the people who want a wall created Homeland (IN) Security. Between the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, the cost to build and maintain that monstrosity of 240,000 + employees is hitting the TRILLION DOLLAR MARK. In 2018, in an official document, the DHS released its catchy objective:

"We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again"

Sound familiar?

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" was an objective written by David Lane, a founder to the white supremacist organization, The Order. The people who develop all of the talking points in favor of the wall are, to a man, neo-Nazis.

Fourteen Words - Wikipedia

Ironically, the people who are most victimized by the peripheral laws surrounding the wall idea have been... you guessed it, white Americans. And we could add another 100 paragraphs of how unconstitutional the wall idea is because it uses the military to enforce domestic policies. It is creating the ultimate POLICE STATE.

As if the preceding paragraphs are not enough, the whole wall idea began with David Duke, a former Nazi Party member who started his own version of the Ku Klux Klan. EVERY person associated with the creation of the organizations aimed at furthering the wall idea have ties to Nazi groups. AND, before the wall idea was popular with the Republicans, it was being promoted by the Democrats:





The right hasn't been smart enough to catch on as to how Bill Clinton and Donald Trump sound so much alike. The low IQ right that wants the wall cannot understand that globalists like Clinton and Trump profit off a socialist America. So, Trump was able to leverage the right's stupidity against themselves. They are literally digging their own graves.

In the final analysis, we build this massive POLICE STATE, take away everyone's Liberties, make resistance impossible and then courts weigh in. Most people from south of the border to at least Honduras has American relatives. There is no way in HELL the courts are going to continue to allow us to separate families because a close family member of an American entered the United States improperly. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor and there is no way it is constitutional to lock those people out of the United States if they have family here. It would be a clear violation of the Eighth Amendment.

Building a wall is trading one set of problems for another. The wall is barely under way and you already have military personnel by the dozens being arrested and charged with human smuggling. People are going to go over the wall, under it, or come through the gates because greedy Americans will let the people from south of the border buy their way in.

I fully admit that we have a problem with foreigners coming here - and I'm as opposed to the "legal" ones as well as those who violate an unconstitutional set of laws that were purposely devised to commit genocide against the whites (which would baffle the Hell out of me when whites demand enforcement of said laws, but you have to see how dumbed down those people are to understand all of this.) Anybody who can back up and look at this objectively will see, in the final analysis, this wall is not going to last if built. It will become a symbol of hatred and intolerance which will only hasten the genocide of the white people in America.

Whites will not be able to fight back because they are forfeiting their Liberties and you cannot resist a government that controls you from the womb to the tomb. White people are participating in their own demise - and that is what I don't understand.

Posting under the influence is never a good idea.

Armed drones?

Unlike yourself I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. I don't even drink coffee. I never have - and THAT might account for why I don't engage in activities that end up in genocide against my own people. I'm also caught up on the news:

Homeland security expands use of drones on the border

Well it looks like history now since its come a long way since then.

OMG, that is horrific! They are actually using drones to track illegals entering the country! What will we do?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

personally I like the divisiveness as I see the WALL as an everyday visual reminder to third worlders that they aren't wanted in MY country Porter .

"Your" country is being led by the people you think you're preventing from being able to enter.

Try that sentence again and use some grammar this time so it makes sense.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Check this out:

Trump Boasted That His Border Wall Was 'Virtually Impenetrable.' Then an 8-Year-Old Girl Climbed a Replica

Well, this 8 year old latino tested it and climbed right over it. My advice to you my American brothers and sisters is, that don't think with your 300 pound soda bellies. Other nations don't have those, so they will walk right across you, starting with your fences.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts are as someone who has been involved in history and law most of his life is that the wall is the dumbest and most idiotic idea ever conjured up in the mind of anyone. Walls have proven to be worthless and, at this juncture, divisive.

Nobody with an IQ higher than their shoe size would support the wall idea. The peripheral laws required to enforce the wall alone cost more in lost Liberties and Freedoms than they deliver in even promised results. The right has demanded a Constitution Free Zone, the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance, armed drones policing the border (which the right says is law enforcement so those drones will be in the heartland watching ALL of us in the future); there has been the total evisceration of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments along with the nullification of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty. The peripheral laws include attacks against private property Rights; eminent domain abuse at a level that threatens ALL Americans, and the creation of a government so big that the citizenry will not be able to resist tyranny.

Communist Russia was all about the Motherland Security, Nazis had Fatherland Security and the people who want a wall created Homeland (IN) Security. Between the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, the cost to build and maintain that monstrosity of 240,000 + employees is hitting the TRILLION DOLLAR MARK. In 2018, in an official document, the DHS released its catchy objective:

"We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again"

Sound familiar?

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" was an objective written by David Lane, a founder to the white supremacist organization, The Order. The people who develop all of the talking points in favor of the wall are, to a man, neo-Nazis.

Fourteen Words - Wikipedia

Ironically, the people who are most victimized by the peripheral laws surrounding the wall idea have been... you guessed it, white Americans. And we could add another 100 paragraphs of how unconstitutional the wall idea is because it uses the military to enforce domestic policies. It is creating the ultimate POLICE STATE.

As if the preceding paragraphs are not enough, the whole wall idea began with David Duke, a former Nazi Party member who started his own version of the Ku Klux Klan. EVERY person associated with the creation of the organizations aimed at furthering the wall idea have ties to Nazi groups. AND, before the wall idea was popular with the Republicans, it was being promoted by the Democrats:





The right hasn't been smart enough to catch on as to how Bill Clinton and Donald Trump sound so much alike. The low IQ right that wants the wall cannot understand that globalists like Clinton and Trump profit off a socialist America. So, Trump was able to leverage the right's stupidity against themselves. They are literally digging their own graves.

In the final analysis, we build this massive POLICE STATE, take away everyone's Liberties, make resistance impossible and then courts weigh in. Most people from south of the border to at least Honduras has American relatives. There is no way in HELL the courts are going to continue to allow us to separate families because a close family member of an American entered the United States improperly. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor and there is no way it is constitutional to lock those people out of the United States if they have family here. It would be a clear violation of the Eighth Amendment.

Building a wall is trading one set of problems for another. The wall is barely under way and you already have military personnel by the dozens being arrested and charged with human smuggling. People are going to go over the wall, under it, or come through the gates because greedy Americans will let the people from south of the border buy their way in.

I fully admit that we have a problem with foreigners coming here - and I'm as opposed to the "legal" ones as well as those who violate an unconstitutional set of laws that were purposely devised to commit genocide against the whites (which would baffle the Hell out of me when whites demand enforcement of said laws, but you have to see how dumbed down those people are to understand all of this.) Anybody who can back up and look at this objectively will see, in the final analysis, this wall is not going to last if built. It will become a symbol of hatred and intolerance which will only hasten the genocide of the white people in America.

Whites will not be able to fight back because they are forfeiting their Liberties and you cannot resist a government that controls you from the womb to the tomb. White people are participating in their own demise - and that is what I don't understand.

Posting under the influence is never a good idea.

Armed drones?

Unlike yourself I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. I don't even drink coffee. I never have - and THAT might account for why I don't engage in activities that end up in genocide against my own people. I'm also caught up on the news:

Homeland security expands use of drones on the border

Well it looks like history now since its come a long way since then.

OMG, that is horrific! They are actually using drones to track illegals entering the country! What will we do?

I can assure your smart ass of one thing: Once the liberals come to power and use those drones against you, it will change you from pretending to be a bad ass into a sniveling coward. As Bill Goldberg is famous for saying: "You're Next!"

 

[Porter Rockwell]

personally I like the divisiveness as I see the WALL as an everyday visual reminder to third worlders that they aren't wanted in MY country Porter .

"Your" country is being led by the people you think you're preventing from being able to enter.

Try that sentence again and use some grammar this time so it makes sense.

It is honest and grammatically correct. "Your" country is led by liberals, socialists, communists, and globalists.

Just in the legislature alone, 13 percent of all federal legislators are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

"There are 52 immigrants and children of immigrants serving in the House of Representatives and 16 serving in the Senate. Counting both chambers, 57 of the 68 lawmakers who are immigrants or children of immigrants are Democrats. Ten others are Republicans, and one – Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont – is an independent."

In 116th Congress, at least 13% of lawmakers are immigrants or the children of immigrants

As they vote you into oblivion, it's all good... after all they took "your" country "legally" (sic) as you stupidly call it.

 

[Flash]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

YOU import the poverty by not being responsible for YOU. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

 

[pismoe]

personally I like the divisiveness as I see the WALL as an everyday visual reminder to third worlders that they aren't wanted in MY country Porter .

"Your" country is being led by the people you think you're preventing from being able to enter.

Try that sentence again and use some grammar this time so it makes sense.

It is honest and grammatically correct. "Your" country is led by liberals, socialists, communists, and globalists.

Just in the legislature alone, 13 percent of all federal legislators are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

"There are 52 immigrants and children of immigrants serving in the House of Representatives and 16 serving in the Senate. Counting both chambers, 57 of the 68 lawmakers who are immigrants or children of immigrants are Democrats. Ten others are Republicans, and one – Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont – is an independent."

In 116th Congress, at least 13% of lawmakers are immigrants or the children of immigrants

As they vote you into oblivion, it's all good... after all they took "your" country "legally" (sic) as you stupidly call it.

----------------------------------------------------- I think that I already said , hey , i'm an Old Guy Porter .

 

[Flash]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

YOU import the poverty by not being responsible for YOU. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

There are only a few legitimate functions of government. Defense, courts, police etc. Securing the borders would be one of them.

 

[pismoe]

and I have said it before in different threads . My parents both born in the 20s and then surviving WW2 had a wide open America at its Best . I , born in 1949 had it second best but I think its down hill for the USA from what I see these last few decades just as I reach old age . But , like I say , its pretty cool Porter . [such is life Porter]

 

[Vandalshandle]

Rumor has it that Mexicans have discovered ladders and ropes.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

YOU import the poverty by not being responsible for YOU. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

There are only a few legitimate functions of government. Defense, courts, police etc. Securing the borders would be one of them.

When the governor of a state tells the military he don't need them, then the state has determined that part of the border is secure.

Forfeiting unalienable Liberties for the promise of temporary Safety, means that you deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Funny how we built the greatest nation in the annals of history WITHOUT a freaking wall.

The government cannot save you from your own actions. That is why Liberty works better than the POLICE STATE.

 

[pismoe]

I think that the USA has been built in the m9d 60s and early 70s and since the 70s the goal has been to fill it up . And a 'police state' will be needed to deal with all the factions in the USA Porter . ------------- no going back now 'imo' Porter .

 

[Porter Rockwell]

and I have said it before in different threads . My parents both born in the 20s and then surviving WW2 had a wide open America at its Best . I , born in 1949 had it second best but I think its down hill for the USA from what I see these last few decades just as I reach old age . But , like I say , its pretty cool Porter . [such is life Porter]

You might have me by a few years, my mother was born in 1929 (my father was nine years younger than her.)

I feel like my duty as a good American and a Christian is to leave America in as good a shape as it was in when I was able to enjoy it. I look at Alexander Tytler's Cycles of History and it appears we are in the dying stages of the Republic:

Bondage
Spiritual Faith
Courage
Liberty
Abundance
Selfishness
Complacency
Apathy
Dependence
Then starting over with Bondage

We are now in the stage of bondage, but the right fails to see that they are now subjects, not citizens, and they are being conned out of their Rights on the installment plan. Just as the left has 40,000 + plus gun control laws and haven't been able to become pacified, the right will forfeit all their Liberties with an equal amount of idiotic laws only to awaken one day and realize they built their own prison.

There was a reason for the colonization of America; a reason only whites could be citizens in the Republic. There were reasons behind our adoption of the Anglo system of jurisprudence. We have a destiny. Those who stand on the right, making the arguments of the left (as we discussed in post # 14) are going to be the downfall of America. But, there will always be a remnant that can rebuild. I'm one of those who will help those who love Liberty to stay united and focused.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I think that the USA has been built in the m9d 60s and early 70s and since the 70s the goal has been to fill it up . And a 'police state' will be needed to deal with all the factions in the USA Porter . ------------- no going back now 'imo' Porter .

If we are on the side of the POLICE STATE, we will lose. The POLICE STATE is owned and operated by globalists. Their tyranny will be short lived. We must separate ourselves from the factions, allow them to eat each other and then deal with what's left. Fight strategically, pismoe.

 

[pismoe]

The police state , I see it coming these last few decades and i see no way to stop it . I blame immigration of all types . Many of the third worlders coming to the USA and the Western world are leaving Severe Police states and will love living in a Welfare and less severe police state but the USA will be a police state none the less Porter .

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The police state , I see it coming these last few decades and i see no way to stop it . I blame immigration of all types . Many of the third worlders coming to the USA and the Western world are leaving Severe Police states and will love living in a Welfare and less severe police state but the USA will be a police state none the less Porter .

Retrace America's steps. What was America like - with respect to laws and regulations BEFORE we had all these problems? I'll explain later.

 

[Flash]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

YOU import the poverty by not being responsible for YOU. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

There are only a few legitimate functions of government. Defense, courts, police etc. Securing the borders would be one of them.

When the governor of a state tells the military he don't need them, then the state has determined that part of the border is secure.

Forfeiting unalienable Liberties for the promise of temporary Safety, means that you deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Funny how we built the greatest nation in the annals of history WITHOUT a freaking wall.

The government cannot save you from your own actions. That is why Liberty works better than the POLICE STATE.

If we really believed in Liberty then we would form our own militias and go down to the border and shoot the goddamn Illegals. However, the government won't let us do it.

The government won't do the right thing by securing the border and the government prevents the people from doing the right thing.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

YOU import the poverty by not being responsible for YOU. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

There are only a few legitimate functions of government. Defense, courts, police etc. Securing the borders would be one of them.

When the governor of a state tells the military he don't need them, then the state has determined that part of the border is secure.

Forfeiting unalienable Liberties for the promise of temporary Safety, means that you deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Funny how we built the greatest nation in the annals of history WITHOUT a freaking wall.

The government cannot save you from your own actions. That is why Liberty works better than the POLICE STATE.

If we really believed in Liberty then we would form our own militias and go down to the border and shoot the goddamn Illegals. However, the government won't let us do it.

The government won't do the right thing by securing the border and the government prevents the people from doing the right thing.

That sounds like a contradiction. If we believe in Liberty, what gives us the authority to shoot at people from a foreign country?

BTW, I have been IN the militia, both as a member and a state commander since 1987. It was the anti-immigrant lobby that raided the civilian militia groups, right wing think tank groups, tax protesters, constitutional activist groups, and emptied them out, making the militia about as effective as a eunuch in a whorehouse.

While doing that, they have spent in now TRILLIONS of dollars on this anti - immigrant campaign and they are no more happier with what they've done than they day the media gave them all the front page coverage they needed (but never earned.) To me, they sound like a vinyl record with a deep scratch in it (sorry if you're too young to understand the analogy.)

In the course of their campaign, they have gotten more free coverage than all the groups I mentioned had all put together. Where is the fruit of their labors? Everything they've accomplished has come at a cost to YOUR Liberties and Freedoms. Rarely does it affect foreigners. And I can tell you, up close and personal, what it's like to be denied Due Process and come within inches and seconds of losing your life over the bad legislation that wasn't thought through by the anti-immigrant lobby... and remember I was on the side you're on right now.

But back to my original question, If we believe in Liberty, what gives us the authority to shoot at people from a foreign country? Better, do you believe in the Constitution of the United States and the Rule of Law?

 

[anotherlife]

Check this out:

Trump Boasted That His Border Wall Was 'Virtually Impenetrable.' Then an 8-Year-Old Girl Climbed a Replica

Well, this 8 year old latino tested it and climbed right over it. My advice to you my American brothers and sisters is, that don't think with your 300 pound soda bellies. Other nations don't have those, so they will walk right across you, starting with your fences.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts are as someone who has been involved in history and law most of his life is that the wall is the dumbest and most idiotic idea ever conjured up in the mind of anyone. Walls have proven to be worthless and, at this juncture, divisive.

Nobody with an IQ higher than their shoe size would support the wall idea. The peripheral laws required to enforce the wall alone cost more in lost Liberties and Freedoms than they deliver in even promised results. The right has demanded a Constitution Free Zone, the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance, armed drones policing the border (which the right says is law enforcement so those drones will be in the heartland watching ALL of us in the future); there has been the total evisceration of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments along with the nullification of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty. The peripheral laws include attacks against private property Rights; eminent domain abuse at a level that threatens ALL Americans, and the creation of a government so big that the citizenry will not be able to resist tyranny.

Communist Russia was all about the Motherland Security, Nazis had Fatherland Security and the people who want a wall created Homeland (IN) Security. Between the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, the cost to build and maintain that monstrosity of 240,000 + employees is hitting the TRILLION DOLLAR MARK. In 2018, in an official document, the DHS released its catchy objective:

"We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again"

Sound familiar?

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" was an objective written by David Lane, a founder to the white supremacist organization, The Order. The people who develop all of the talking points in favor of the wall are, to a man, neo-Nazis.

Fourteen Words - Wikipedia

Ironically, the people who are most victimized by the peripheral laws surrounding the wall idea have been... you guessed it, white Americans. And we could add another 100 paragraphs of how unconstitutional the wall idea is because it uses the military to enforce domestic policies. It is creating the ultimate POLICE STATE.

As if the preceding paragraphs are not enough, the whole wall idea began with David Duke, a former Nazi Party member who started his own version of the Ku Klux Klan. EVERY person associated with the creation of the organizations aimed at furthering the wall idea have ties to Nazi groups. AND, before the wall idea was popular with the Republicans, it was being promoted by the Democrats:





The right hasn't been smart enough to catch on as to how Bill Clinton and Donald Trump sound so much alike. The low IQ right that wants the wall cannot understand that globalists like Clinton and Trump profit off a socialist America. So, Trump was able to leverage the right's stupidity against themselves. They are literally digging their own graves.

In the final analysis, we build this massive POLICE STATE, take away everyone's Liberties, make resistance impossible and then courts weigh in. Most people from south of the border to at least Honduras has American relatives. There is no way in HELL the courts are going to continue to allow us to separate families because a close family member of an American entered the United States improperly. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor and there is no way it is constitutional to lock those people out of the United States if they have family here. It would be a clear violation of the Eighth Amendment.

Building a wall is trading one set of problems for another. The wall is barely under way and you already have military personnel by the dozens being arrested and charged with human smuggling. People are going to go over the wall, under it, or come through the gates because greedy Americans will let the people from south of the border buy their way in.

I fully admit that we have a problem with foreigners coming here - and I'm as opposed to the "legal" ones as well as those who violate an unconstitutional set of laws that were purposely devised to commit genocide against the whites (which would baffle the Hell out of me when whites demand enforcement of said laws, but you have to see how dumbed down those people are to understand all of this.) Anybody who can back up and look at this objectively will see, in the final analysis, this wall is not going to last if built. It will become a symbol of hatred and intolerance which will only hasten the genocide of the white people in America.

Whites will not be able to fight back because they are forfeiting their Liberties and you cannot resist a government that controls you from the womb to the tomb. White people are participating in their own demise - and that is what I don't understand.

Posting under the influence is never a good idea.

Armed drones?

Unlike yourself I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. I don't even drink coffee. I never have - and THAT might account for why I don't engage in activities that end up in genocide against my own people. I'm also caught up on the news:

Homeland security expands use of drones on the border

Well it looks like history now since its come a long way since then.

OMG, that is horrific! They are actually using drones to track illegals entering the country! What will we do?

What will we do? We will also use those drones to track you too. If you didn't do anything wrong then you don't have anything to hide do you? HEHEHE

 

[anotherlife]

The wall may not keep out every one of those filthy ass Democrat voting welfare queen taco eaters but it will keep out enough to more than make it worthwhile to put up the wall.

Go bless Trump. God damn the stupid asshole Moon Bats that want to let other countries import their poverty to the US.

YOU import the poverty by not being responsible for YOU. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

There are only a few legitimate functions of government. Defense, courts, police etc. Securing the borders would be one of them.

When the governor of a state tells the military he don't need them, then the state has determined that part of the border is secure.

Forfeiting unalienable Liberties for the promise of temporary Safety, means that you deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Funny how we built the greatest nation in the annals of history WITHOUT a freaking wall.

The government cannot save you from your own actions. That is why Liberty works better than the POLICE STATE.

If we really believed in Liberty then we would form our own militias and go down to the border and shoot the goddamn Illegals. However, the government won't let us do it.

The government won't do the right thing by securing the border and the government prevents the people from doing the right thing.

That sounds like a contradiction. If we believe in Liberty, what gives us the authority to shoot at people from a foreign country?

BTW, I have been IN the militia, both as a member and a state commander since 1987. It was the anti-immigrant lobby that raided the civilian militia groups, right wing think tank groups, tax protesters, constitutional activist groups, and emptied them out, making the militia about as effective as a eunuch in a whorehouse.

While doing that, they have spent in now TRILLIONS of dollars on this anti - immigrant campaign and they are no more happier with what they've done than they day the media gave them all the front page coverage they needed (but never earned.) To me, they sound like a vinyl record with a deep scratch in it (sorry if you're too young to understand the analogy.)

In the course of their campaign, they have gotten more free coverage than all the groups I mentioned had all put together. Where is the fruit of their labors? Everything they've accomplished has come at a cost to YOUR Liberties and Freedoms. Rarely does it affect foreigners. And I can tell you, up close and personal, what it's like to be denied Due Process and come within inches and seconds of losing your life over the bad legislation that wasn't thought through by the anti-immigrant lobby... and remember I was on the side you're on right now.

But back to my original question, If we believe in Liberty, what gives us the authority to shoot at people from a foreign country? Better, do you believe in the Constitution of the United States and the Rule of Law?

Those people who control the United States find the Constitution the problem and they want to bring the Constitution down. They had it done easy in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, because they had a war to work from. The have to put you into a war mindset to repeat that today in the USA. They have mostly succeeded by now.