The "TRUE" problem with this whole health care issue...

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  1. Oscar Wao
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    It's not Obama.

    It's not Pelosi, Reid, or anyone in Congress.

    It's not the "compromisers."

    It's not the lobbyists, whether they're lobbying for the "good" side or the "bad" side.

    It's not any past President or Congress that tried to do this.

    It's not the Obamanoids who think health care "reform" would be the greatest thing since the wheel was invented.

    It's not even the mammoth bill that's being proposed.

    The problem is the foundation for everything I mentioned...

    Which is...

    The view that health insurance is a "basic right." That you're entitled to it just as much as you're entitled to free speech, freedom of or from religion, self-defense, privacy, proper and fair legal treatment (ie no excessive fines, fair and speedy trial, no cruel/unusual punishment, etc.), or any of these things.

    Yes, I said it.

    I'm ready to be piled on like a football player.

    Go on, give me your worst.

    I don't care.

    It's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
     
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    I'd have to say I agree. The problem with this line of thinking is that you can't have a right to something that somebody else has to provide.
     
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    Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness

    Socialist nonsense!
     
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    That doesn't even implicitly allow for health care to be a "right."

    I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a luxury, aka "Be damned grateful and lucky ya'll got somfin!"

    But I don't recognize it as a human right either.
     
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    The only nonsense is if you think that line means the government should force people to provide a service for other people.
     
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    keyword: pursuit.
     
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    They actually argue more on the "life" point but you are right on this one though.
     
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    But then again everything is made into a "right" these days, so what's the point in arguing about it?
     
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    The key issue here is...

    We are the wealthiest nation on the planet.
    We are the only industrialized nation that does not ensure healthcare for all its citizens.
    We rank 37th in the quality of healthcare
    We allow people to go broke just because they get sick
    We have 47 million uninsured

    Other nations look at us and wonder
     
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    None of that changes the nature of what is or what is not a right, and healthcare insurance does not fall into that category. What we need are market reforms for insurance.
     

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