The True Conservative Republican

[Mr. Shaman]

Once upon a time the Republican party made valid points and could bring great points to the table.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY]Eisenhower Farewell Address (Full) - YouTube[/ame]

Ike TRIED to warn everyone about the (present-day) collu$ion, between big-business & "conservative"-politicians!!​

 

[bripat9643]

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

The conservative in Russia called HIMSELF a Stalinist.

You mean the Stalinist called himself a Stalinist. You and the liberal media are the ones calling him a "conservative." He's not a conservative. He's a Stalinist. Liberals all raved about Stalin in the 1930s. So it would seem that Stalinists are actually liberals.

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads."
Combat Liberalism - Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung

Mao is using the European definition of "liberalism," which means "conservative" here in the states. A common leftwing propaganda trick is treating words that have different meanings as if they were the same just because they are spelled the same.

Liberals use words to deceive and confuse, not to make themselves understood.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

All liberals are sleazy lying pricks.

 

[daveman]

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve") is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. wiki

Actually the tea party is nothing new. Conservatives rallying to protect the status quo.

The only thing that changes with conservatives around the world is WHAT that status quo is.

Remember, conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

And parochial indoctrination.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
The Authoritarians - Robert Altmeyer, Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Manitoba.
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When the ‘tea partiers’ say “we want our country back”, what do they mean by ‘our’?

Polls show the ‘tea party’ is an ultra-conservative group with views that are diametrically opposed to mainstream America. Among all Americans, George W. Bush has a 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among the ‘tea party’ he's viewed favorably, 57/27. An almost perfect diametrical difference.

Is there any precedent in history of today’s the ‘tea party’?

The answer is YES…a parallel to the 'Tea Party" occurred in Russia in the late 1980's. Russian conservatives, the Stalinists, wanted 'their' country back. It was an alliance including xenophobic fringe groups and nationalists who yearned for what they saw as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

And like today’s ‘tea partiers’, they wanted their authoritarian leader back.
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February 27, 1989

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

MOSCOW, Feb. 26— Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.

''You see the work of our hand,'' said Pavel G. Ivanov, a retired truck driver, gloating at the defeat of Vitaly A. Korotich, a magazine editor despised by conservatives as the exemplar of the new permissiveness. ''And you will see it more.''

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates.

A Disparate Alliance
The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Kira A. Korneyenkova was at the rally last Sunday outside the Ostankino Television Center, and she joined several hundred other people in enthusiastic cheers as speaker after speaker called for a fight against ''liberal, Zionist forces'' that seek to control Soviet society.

''I am a Stalinist,'' the 53-year-old schoolteacher said proudly, ''and I think our so-called glasnost has divided our nation. It is our duty to fight against such elements.''



Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

I guess you missed the part where I said, "You can stamp your feet and pout and insist that everything bad is conservative and everything good is liberal, but it's simply not the case."

 

[daveman]

So, a Russian or East German conservative would be anti communist?

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

Liberals refuse to accept the damage that liberalism has done. They whitewash it, pretend it's not there, or blame someone else.

That's why they love to cite Chomsky. He's the king of leftist historical revision.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

The conservative in Russia called HIMSELF a Stalinist.

You mean the Stalinist called himself a Stalinist. You and the liberal media are the ones calling him a "conservative." He's not a conservative.

Hmmmmmmmm......

.....tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions.

Sounds like a DICTATOR'S CODE, to me!​

 

[daveman]

By your definition of "conservative", yes.

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

The conservative in Russia called HIMSELF a Stalinist.

Nikita F. Zherbin, head of the Leningrad chapter of Pamyat, delighted in the fact that Mr. Korotich had been forced off the ballot in Moscow's Sverdlovsk region, and described this as the first successful step in the conservative campaign to use the elections as a vehicle for its political ideas.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Pamyat (Russian: Память, Russian pronunciation: [ˈpɑmʲətʲ]; English translation: Memory) is a Russian ultra-nationalist organization identifying itself as the "People's National-patriotic Orthodox Christian movement." It has been accused of racism, xenophobia, and antisemitism. wiki

Over 300 journalists killed in Russia in last 20 years


What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads."
Combat Liberalism - Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung

Mao was right. Liberalism is anathema to the revolution.

But progressives have nothing to do with liberalism. Progressives value the collective over the individual, the state's interests over personal interests, central control over individual liberties.

Mao would have loved American progressives.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

You can keep repeating that quote, but it still keeps being stupid.

Was Mao a conservative? Stalin? Krushchev? Pol Pot?

Hint: No. This concludes your history lesson.

 

[Bfgrn]

Calling the Stalinists in Russia "conservatives" is just a cheap smear. Liberals always label any group that has a bad reputation as "conservative." According to the liberal propaganda organs (ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN) the Taliban is "conservative." Al Queda is "conservative." Timothy McVeigh was "conservative."

The conservative in Russia called HIMSELF a Stalinist.

You mean the Stalinist called himself a Stalinist. You and the liberal media are the ones calling him a "conservative." He's not a conservative. He's a Stalinist. Liberals all raved about Stalin in the 1930s. So it would seem that Stalinists are actually liberals.

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads."
Combat Liberalism - Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung

Mao is using the European definition of "liberalism," which means "conservative" here in the states. A common leftwing propaganda trick is treating words that have different meanings as if they were the same just because they are spelled the same.

Liberals use words to deceive and confuse, not to make themselves understood.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

All liberals are sleazy lying pricks.

So......a Stalinist called himself a Stalinist, and fought against the liberalization of Soviet society by Gorbachev and handed out leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists''. And want to 'conserve' the values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

You are in complete denial.

 

[Old Rocks]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Yes. When is the nice nurse due to give you your pretty little pills?

 

[daveman]

West Germany: Conservative
East Germany: Progressive

Any question?

Yes. When is the nice nurse due to give you your pretty little pills?

As usual, Roxy just stamps his feet and shouts, "I don't like it!!"...but can't explain why.