The Theory Of Evolution Is Completely Useless.

You simply said that the same discoveries in genetics and biology would have been made without evolution. But the discoveries he listed do specifically lean heavily on evolution as a basis for the research.

Why argue with a baseless claim?

It's the way he rolls - "you're wrong - I win!" is the usual super-substantive debate tactic :)
 
You simply said that the same discoveries in genetics and biology would have been made without evolution. But the discoveries he listed do specifically lean heavily on evolution as a basis for the research.

Why argue with a baseless claim?

It's the way he rolls - "you're wrong - I win!" is the usual super-substantive debate tactic :)
Well, yes. I won because you refuse to play. Instead of debate, you offer insults.
 
Hmmm, not only racist - but anti-science

Awesome! :rolleyes:

1. •Bioinformatics, a multi-billion-dollar industry, consists largely of the comparison of genetic sequences. Descent with modification is one of its most basic assumptions.
2. •Diseases and pests evolve resistance to the drugs and pesticides we use against them. Evolutionary theory is used in the field of resistance management in both medicine and agriculture (Bull and Wichman 2001).
3. •Evolutionary theory is used to manage fisheries for greater yields (Conover and Munch 2002).
4. •Artificial selection has been used since prehistory, but it has become much more efficient with the addition of quantitative trait locus mapping.
5. •Knowledge of the evolution of parasite virulence in human populations can help guide public health policy (Galvani 2003).
6. •Sex allocation theory, based on evolution theory, was used to predict conditions under which the highly endangered kakapo bird would produce more female offspring, which retrieved it from the brink of extinction (Sutherland 2002).
7. •Tracing genes of known function and comparing how they are related to unknown genes helps one to predict unknown gene function, which is foundational for drug discovery (Branca 2002; Eisen and Wu 2002; Searls 2003).
8. •Phylogenetic analysis is a standard part of epidemiology, since it allows the identification of disease reservoirs and sometimes the tracking of step-by-step transmission of disease. For example, phylogenetic analysis confirmed that a Florida dentist was infecting his patients with HIV, that HIV-1 and HIV-2 were transmitted to humans from chimpanzees and mangabey monkeys in the twentieth century, and, when polio was being eradicated from the Americas, that new cases were not coming from hidden reservoirs (Bull and Wichman 2001). It was used in 2002 to help convict a man of intentionally infecting someone with HIV (Vogel 1998). The same principle can be used to trace the source of bioweapons (Cummings and Relman 2002).
9. •Phylogenetic analysis to track the diversity of a pathogen can be used to select an appropriate vaccine for a particular region (Gaschen et al. 2002).
10. •Ribotyping is a technique for identifying an organism or at least finding its closest known relative by mapping its ribosomal RNA onto the tree of life. It can be used even when the organisms cannot be cultured or recognized by other methods. Ribotyping and other genotyping methods have been used to find previously unknown infectious agents of human disease (Bull and Wichman 2001; Relman 1999).
11. •Phylogenetic analysis helps in determining protein folds, since proteins diverging from a common ancestor tend to conserve their folds (Benner 2001).​

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Every example you gave involves a distinct branch of science, such as genetics and biology. The same discoveries would have been made if there was no such thing as evolution. You lose.
Ok, since you are upset about insults, and claim these things would have happened or been discovered anyway, let's test that theory.

1. •Bioinformatics, a multi-billion-dollar industry, consists largely of the comparison of genetic sequences. Descent with modification is one of its most basic assumptions.
If "Descent with modification" is a basic principle of this then it would not have been discovered without evolution.

2. •Diseases and pests evolve resistance to the drugs and pesticides we use against them. Evolutionary theory is used in the field of resistance management in both medicine and agriculture (Bull and Wichman 2001).
Knowing how a life form evolves is basic to treating many diseases.

3. •Evolutionary theory is used to manage fisheries for greater yields (Conover and Munch 2002).
This is a simple statement of fact.

4. •Artificial selection has been used since prehistory, but it has become much more efficient with the addition of quantitative trait locus mapping.
This is evolution at its most basic.

5. •Knowledge of the evolution of parasite virulence in human populations can help guide public health policy (Galvani 2003).
Evolution is the cornerstone here. It would not be possible without studying evolution.

6. •Sex allocation theory, based on evolution theory, was used to predict conditions under which the highly endangered kakapo bird would produce more female offspring, which retrieved it from the brink of extinction (Sutherland 2002).
This is an offshoot of evolution, but is nonetheless based on it.
 
Well, yes. I won because you refuse to play. Instead of debate, you offer insults.

We've been through this. You had nothing and are now ashamed to admit it. Sad
You're the one who has nothing. Let's look at one of the examples you gave.

1. •Bioinformatics, a multi-billion-dollar industry, consists largely of the comparison of genetic sequences. Descent with modification is one of its most basic assumptions.

From wiki...

Bioinformatics /ˌbaɪ.oʊˌɪnfərˈmætɪks/ ( listen) is an interdisciplinary field that develops methods and software tools for understanding biological data. As an interdisciplinary field of science, bioinformatics combines computer science, statistics, mathematics, and engineering to analyze and interpret biological data. Bioinformatics has been used for in silico analyses of biological queries using mathematical and statistical techniques.

Bioinformatics is both an umbrella term for the body of biological studies that use computer programming as part of their methodology, as well as a reference to specific analysis "pipelines" that are repeatedly used, particularly in the field of genomics. Common uses of bioinformatics include the identification of candidate genes and single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). Often, such identification is made with the aim of better understanding the genetic basis of disease, unique adaptations, desirable properties (esp. in agricultural species), or differences between populations. In a less formal way, bioinformatics also tries to understand the organisational principles within nucleic acid and protein sequences, called proteomics.[1]

Bioinformatics - Wikipedia

Evolution is barely mentioned in the full article. And it's not Darwinian evolution. What they refer to is actually adaptation and genetic mutations, which is not evolution. Evolution requires the addition of new information as well as an increase in the number of chromosomes. Something that has never been observed to happen. It's something that atheists believe by faith.
 
Well, yes. I won because you refuse to play. Instead of debate, you offer insults.

We've been through this. You had nothing and are now ashamed to admit it. Sad
You're the one who has nothing. Let's look at one of the examples you gave.

1. •Bioinformatics, a multi-billion-dollar industry, consists largely of the comparison of genetic sequences. Descent with modification is one of its most basic assumptions.

From wiki...

Bioinformatics /ˌbaɪ.oʊˌɪnfərˈmætɪks/ ( listen) is an interdisciplinary field that develops methods and software tools for understanding biological data. As an interdisciplinary field of science, bioinformatics combines computer science, statistics, mathematics, and engineering to analyze and interpret biological data. Bioinformatics has been used for in silico analyses of biological queries using mathematical and statistical techniques.

Bioinformatics is both an umbrella term for the body of biological studies that use computer programming as part of their methodology, as well as a reference to specific analysis "pipelines" that are repeatedly used, particularly in the field of genomics. Common uses of bioinformatics include the identification of candidate genes and single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). Often, such identification is made with the aim of better understanding the genetic basis of disease, unique adaptations, desirable properties (esp. in agricultural species), or differences between populations. In a less formal way, bioinformatics also tries to understand the organisational principles within nucleic acid and protein sequences, called proteomics.[1]

Bioinformatics - Wikipedia

Evolution is barely mentioned in the full article. And it's not Darwinian evolution. What they refer to is actually adaptation and genetic mutations, which is not evolution. Evolution requires the addition of new information as well as an increase in the number of chromosomes. Something that has never been observed to happen. It's something that atheists believe by faith.

The theory of evolution does, in fact, cover adaptation and genetic mutations. In fact, those two are the basis for evolution. That you want to boil evolution down to your terms does not change that fact that adaptation and genetic mutation are important parts of the theory of evolution.
 
In fact, I challenge anyone to point out a single scientific discovery that couldn't have been made without evolution. Go ahead. I'll wait.............


Mapping the human genome.
What does evolution have to do with that? Nothing at all.


What?

{
"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.

The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Many of the genetic changes Pritchard's group detected came during or after the emergence of agriculture, beginning about 10,000 years ago, and long after the formation of modern human populations.

Some of the genes most strongly affected by selection were those associated with skin color, bone structure, and the metabolism of different foods.

Using newly available data, the scientists conducted a genome-wide scan for genetic variants showing evidence of recent selection in European, Asian, and African populations.

Most of the selected genes varied strongly among the three groups, suggesting that humans were adapting to pressures specific to different parts of the world.

The results are published in this month's issue of the journal PLoS Biology.}

Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds

 
In fact, I challenge anyone to point out a single scientific discovery that couldn't have been made without evolution. Go ahead. I'll wait.............


Mapping the human genome.
What does evolution have to do with that? Nothing at all.


What?

{
"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.

The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Many of the genetic changes Pritchard's group detected came during or after the emergence of agriculture, beginning about 10,000 years ago, and long after the formation of modern human populations.

Some of the genes most strongly affected by selection were those associated with skin color, bone structure, and the metabolism of different foods.

Using newly available data, the scientists conducted a genome-wide scan for genetic variants showing evidence of recent selection in European, Asian, and African populations.

Most of the selected genes varied strongly among the three groups, suggesting that humans were adapting to pressures specific to different parts of the world.

The results are published in this month's issue of the journal PLoS Biology.}

Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds
No one is denying that genetic changes occur. But you people take it too far. You believe in this fantasy that these changes lead to new species. Adaptation is real. It is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in our DNA. That is not evolution. You point out the fact of bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That is not evolution. It happens because there is a small population that is incapable of ingesting the antibiotic because they have lost the ability to do so. That's not evolution. It's devolution. Evolution is a fairy tale for grownups.
 
In fact, I challenge anyone to point out a single scientific discovery that couldn't have been made without evolution. Go ahead. I'll wait.............


Mapping the human genome.
What does evolution have to do with that? Nothing at all.


What?

{
"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.

The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Many of the genetic changes Pritchard's group detected came during or after the emergence of agriculture, beginning about 10,000 years ago, and long after the formation of modern human populations.

Some of the genes most strongly affected by selection were those associated with skin color, bone structure, and the metabolism of different foods.

Using newly available data, the scientists conducted a genome-wide scan for genetic variants showing evidence of recent selection in European, Asian, and African populations.

Most of the selected genes varied strongly among the three groups, suggesting that humans were adapting to pressures specific to different parts of the world.

The results are published in this month's issue of the journal PLoS Biology.}

Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds
No one is denying that genetic changes occur. But you people take it too far. You believe in this fantasy that these changes lead to new species. Adaptation is real. It is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in our DNA. That is not evolution. You point out the fact of bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That is not evolution. It happens because there is a small population that is incapable of ingesting the antibiotic because they have lost the ability to do so. That's not evolution. It's devolution. Evolution is a fairy tale for grownups.


"No one is denying that genetic changes occur. But you people take it too far. You believe in this fantasy that these changes lead to new species. "

Now, people.... when this guy says things like this, what hope do ANY of you have of pounding even one, single rational point into his brain? It's just not possible. You are wasting your time.

"Genetic changes occur.... but they always stop right before a new species is created, because..... because.... uh..."


Give it up....
 
In fact, I challenge anyone to point out a single scientific discovery that couldn't have been made without evolution. Go ahead. I'll wait.............


Mapping the human genome.
What does evolution have to do with that? Nothing at all.


What?

{
"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.

The results suggest that humans in different regions have continued to adapt in numerous ways to both environmental changes and cultural innovations.

Many of the genetic changes Pritchard's group detected came during or after the emergence of agriculture, beginning about 10,000 years ago, and long after the formation of modern human populations.

Some of the genes most strongly affected by selection were those associated with skin color, bone structure, and the metabolism of different foods.

Using newly available data, the scientists conducted a genome-wide scan for genetic variants showing evidence of recent selection in European, Asian, and African populations.

Most of the selected genes varied strongly among the three groups, suggesting that humans were adapting to pressures specific to different parts of the world.

The results are published in this month's issue of the journal PLoS Biology.}

Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds
No one is denying that genetic changes occur. But you people take it too far. You believe in this fantasy that these changes lead to new species. Adaptation is real. It is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in our DNA. That is not evolution. You point out the fact of bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That is not evolution. It happens because there is a small population that is incapable of ingesting the antibiotic because they have lost the ability to do so. That's not evolution. It's devolution. Evolution is a fairy tale for grownups.

Adaptation and genetic mutation are major parts of evolution. You do not get to redefine scientific theory to push your religious agenda.
 
When you're absolutely committed to an ideology, everything else is always going to be bogus.
Could you elaborate on that? I have no idea what you're referring to.
Through transfer of genetics from generation to generation bacteria change ata high rate of speed due to extremely short periods of generational change. This is why the bacteria and viruses become drug resistant so fast we can not keep up with it. The bacteria that have a geneatic predisposition to resist a drug are the ones that survive and then reproduce new generations that are immune to the drug we treat them with. This proves survival of the fittest in a very short time period.
 
When you're absolutely committed to an ideology, everything else is always going to be bogus.
Could you elaborate on that? I have no idea what you're referring to.
Through transfer of genetics from generation to generation bacteria change ata high rate of speed due to extremely short periods of generational change. This is why the bacteria and viruses become drug resistant so fast we can not keep up with it. The bacteria that have a geneatic predisposition to resist a drug are the ones that survive and then reproduce new generations that are immune to the drug we treat them with. This proves survival of the fittest in a very short time period.
In every organism species, there is variation. For example, in human beings certain populations were exposed to a particular disease. Let's say that an isolated population group is exposed to Yellow Fever. Most of the population is wiped out. Those who survived Yellow Fever did so because they had an immunity to some degree. They may well have gotten ill, but their bodies had enough resistance to defeat the disease.

Those survivors now pass on this immunity to their descendents. So, in effect, virtually that entire group is immune to Yellow Fever. It's as simple as that.

They did not "evolve" an immunity. If they hadn't had the immunity, they would have died. The immunity was already there.

It is the same with bacterial cultures. Certain bacteria are resistant to a medication. When the bacteria without this natural resistance are killed, the only bacteria left to multiply are the resistant variety.

It is the opposite of evolution that has human beings, and other organisms, to be subject to many of these diseases. Genetic mutation has not caused us to evolve, it has caused us to devolve. Out immune systems are weakened. We become subject to more diseases. Otherwise, wouldn't we have "evolved" a cure for cancer by now? The truth is, we are suffering more cases of cancer now than in the past. Genetic mutation results in defects, not beneficial changes that promote survival.

Survival of the fittest is true. That explains how the resistant strain of bacteria become dominant, but there is no evolution. The resistance has always existed.
 
When you're absolutely committed to an ideology, everything else is always going to be bogus.
Could you elaborate on that? I have no idea what you're referring to.
Through transfer of genetics from generation to generation bacteria change ata high rate of speed due to extremely short periods of generational change. This is why the bacteria and viruses become drug resistant so fast we can not keep up with it. The bacteria that have a geneatic predisposition to resist a drug are the ones that survive and then reproduce new generations that are immune to the drug we treat them with. This proves survival of the fittest in a very short time period.
In every organism species, there is variation. For example, in human beings certain populations were exposed to a particular disease. Let's say that an isolated population group is exposed to Yellow Fever. Most of the population is wiped out. Those who survived Yellow Fever did so because they had an immunity to some degree. They may well have gotten ill, but their bodies had enough resistance to defeat the disease.

Those survivors now pass on this immunity to their descendents. So, in effect, virtually that entire group is immune to Yellow Fever. It's as simple as that.

They did not "evolve" an immunity. If they hadn't had the immunity, they would have died. The immunity was already there.

It is the same with bacterial cultures. Certain bacteria are resistant to a medication. When the bacteria without this natural resistance are killed, the only bacteria left to multiply are the resistant variety.

It is the opposite of evolution that has human beings, and other organisms, to be subject to many of these diseases. Genetic mutation has not caused us to evolve, it has caused us to devolve. Out immune systems are weakened. We become subject to more diseases. Otherwise, wouldn't we have "evolved" a cure for cancer by now? The truth is, we are suffering more cases of cancer now than in the past. Genetic mutation results in defects, not beneficial changes that promote survival.

Survival of the fittest is true. That explains how the resistant strain of bacteria become dominant, but there is no evolution. The resistance has always existed.
What you describe is exactly evolution. Population genetic changes caused by natural selection.
 
When you're absolutely committed to an ideology, everything else is always going to be bogus.
Could you elaborate on that? I have no idea what you're referring to.
Through transfer of genetics from generation to generation bacteria change ata high rate of speed due to extremely short periods of generational change. This is why the bacteria and viruses become drug resistant so fast we can not keep up with it. The bacteria that have a geneatic predisposition to resist a drug are the ones that survive and then reproduce new generations that are immune to the drug we treat them with. This proves survival of the fittest in a very short time period.
In every organism species, there is variation. For example, in human beings certain populations were exposed to a particular disease. Let's say that an isolated population group is exposed to Yellow Fever. Most of the population is wiped out. Those who survived Yellow Fever did so because they had an immunity to some degree. They may well have gotten ill, but their bodies had enough resistance to defeat the disease.

Those survivors now pass on this immunity to their descendents. So, in effect, virtually that entire group is immune to Yellow Fever. It's as simple as that.

They did not "evolve" an immunity. If they hadn't had the immunity, they would have died. The immunity was already there.

It is the same with bacterial cultures. Certain bacteria are resistant to a medication. When the bacteria without this natural resistance are killed, the only bacteria left to multiply are the resistant variety.

It is the opposite of evolution that has human beings, and other organisms, to be subject to many of these diseases. Genetic mutation has not caused us to evolve, it has caused us to devolve. Out immune systems are weakened. We become subject to more diseases. Otherwise, wouldn't we have "evolved" a cure for cancer by now? The truth is, we are suffering more cases of cancer now than in the past. Genetic mutation results in defects, not beneficial changes that promote survival.

Survival of the fittest is true. That explains how the resistant strain of bacteria become dominant, but there is no evolution. The resistance has always existed.

As I said before, adaptation and genetic mutation are cornerstones of the Theory of Evolution. You cannot dismiss them in your fervor to look intelligent.
 
The mistake made by those hostile to the fact of evolution is that they incorrectly perceive the earth to be static and immutable, when indeed the opposite is true.

Without the fact of evolution there’d be no life on this planet.
 

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