The term "liberty" is NOT undefinable and vague.

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    A recent idiot liberal acquaintance of mine has told me that the word "liberty" (which is my favorite word ever, incase you haven't noticed) is based on perception of someone's circumstance and can be defined multiple ways. No it can't. Liberty can be defined and I am going to make it really easy for you people to understand what liberty MEANS!

    Liberty is based on the principle of Self-Ownership.
    You own your life. To deny this is to imply that another person has a higher claim on your life than you do. No other person, or group of persons, owns your life.
    You exist in time: Past, present, and future. To lose your life, is to lose your future. To lose your liberty is to lose your present. and to lose the product of your life and liberty is to lose that portion of you past that produced it.

    A product of your life and your liberty IS YOUR PROPERTY.
    Property is the fruit of your labor and the product of your time, energy, and talents.
    This property can then be used for bartering, etc with other people if both parties CONSENT.

    That what it means to be free and liberated. So don't be one of those douchebags that says "liberty can't be defined!!" because we wouldn't want you looking like an ignoramus would we?
     
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    Sorry Lib, but there's no liberty in a merikka. You have the biggest army, the most prisoners, the IRS, ... and you're only 1 party better than china. In other words, no liberty of vote, you have only choice A and choice A1 (both the same choice).
    So the word "liberty" in the US is meaningless, no one is free, and nothing is free either.
     
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    way to miss the point entirely. the point is liberty is what everyone should be striving for. not a socialist utopia where everyone is the same and no one is free to bloom their own talents.
     
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    Liberty is a concept that is unworkable in our current societies of the world.
     
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    Short of literal slavery, what would constitute an infringement upon liberty as defined here?
     
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    That's good, because you missed my point as well. You think you're striving for liberty, when all you're striving for is what the man wants to give you.
    Just ask yourself: are you free to live in a country that does attack the rest of the world constantly? Are you free to vote for a party that will pull all its troops out of every corner of the world and let those people live in peace? ...
     
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    i had to define the word "life" to lead into my point on past, present, and future.
     
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    what the fuck? I am talking about liberty as in john locke's philosophy. I am not trying to make this about modern americans or american issues. This is a philosophical board so im talking philosophy. liberty as defined is not practiced in the united states,mostly due to a rogue government and lack of quality and accurate historical education of our kids.

    I am striving for liberty because liberty is individualistic in nature. It doesn't matter what country you are in or what actions your government take, you as an individual do have natural rights, and those rights are what government digs its fingers into and then punishes those who exercise said rights, such as keeping the fruits of one's labor. This is of course, more severe in some countries than others, but philosophically every human being has this right. The urge to control the liberty of others is seen by dictators and tyrants all through history, and that is why liberty has to be fought for, if desired.

    A government of a society does have a role to play, and that role boils down to a system of security, justice and a rule of law for any citizen that violates the liberty of another citizen. Such as theft or murder. Theft takes away property, and murder takes away life, thus those two should be punishable offenses because they damage the liberty of another. The method of punishment is of course, up to the people, however the government is put in place BY people to protect the liberty of people. A concept that is lost in both America and every other society today. John Locke was a brilliant man.
     
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    Your liberty is being controlled by the man, and by your need to buy things. If you really want to be free, go live off the land somewhere, no job, no money...
    You just don't want to pay taxes, that's your liberty :D
     

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