The Ten Principles Of A Free Society, By Dr. Ron Paul...

[paulitician]

From the Appendix to his book, Liberty Defined


1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

 

[Paulie]

What's the over/under on how many posts in here before Rabbi and Sniperfire show up to take precious time out of their day to post about someone as irrelevant as Ron Paul?

 

[paulitician]

What's the over/under on how many posts in here before Rabbi and Sniperfire show up to take precious time out of their day to post about someone as irrelevant as Ron Paul?

The usual suspects will show up right on cue. But that's ok. Somewhere in the back of their heads, they're actually listening and learning something. They won't admit it, but it is happening.

 

[Sallow]

From the Appendix to his book, Liberty Defined


1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

Yeah...and Dr. Paul talked about "avoiding" the civil war by "buying" slaves their freedom.

So much for "natural" rights..eh?

 

[dblack]

What's the over/under on how many posts in here before Rabbi and Sniperfire show up to take precious time out of their day to post about someone as irrelevant as Ron Paul?

The usual suspects will show up right on cue. But that's ok. Somewhere in the back of their heads, they're actually listening and learning something. They won't admit it, but it is happening.

There's certainly no guarantee of that.

Yeah...and Dr. Paul talked about "avoiding" the civil war by "buying" slaves their freedom.

So much for "natural" rights..eh?

 

[paulitician]

From the Appendix to his book, Liberty Defined


1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

Yeah...and Dr. Paul talked about "avoiding" the civil war by "buying" slaves their freedom.

So much for "natural" rights..eh?

Still getting high on those Obama fart fumes ay? Take it easy on em, you're sounding completely nuts these days.

 

[Sallow]

From the Appendix to his book, Liberty Defined


1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

Yeah...and Dr. Paul talked about "avoiding" the civil war by "buying" slaves their freedom.

So much for "natural" rights..eh?

Still getting high on those Obama fart fumes ay? Take it easy on em, you're sounding completely nuts these days.

High on what?

Your the one with his head up the ass of a aging delusional racist.

You didn't even address the point I made.

Because you can't.

Paul is a fucking fraud.

 

[paulitician]

Yeah...and Dr. Paul talked about "avoiding" the civil war by "buying" slaves their freedom.

So much for "natural" rights..eh?

Still getting high on those Obama fart fumes ay? Take it easy on em, you're sounding completely nuts these days.

High on what?

Your the one with his head up the ass of a aging delusional racist.

You didn't even address the point I made.

Because you can't.

Paul is a fucking fraud.

Like you actually read the post. Ya can't read posts with your nose buried up your Dear Leader's hairy hole. You should speak to your Dear Leader about an enema. Only way he's gonna get your nose out of there.

 

[dblack]

You didn't even address the point I made.

Because you can't.

I didn't see anything like a point in your post. Was there one?

 

[paulitician]

You didn't even address the point I made.

Because you can't.

I didn't see anything like a point in your post. Was there one?

Don't bother. He's one of those creepy Obamabots who stopped reading posts a long time ago. He's an empty suit, like his Dear Leader.

 

[Middleoftheroad]

Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I am simply trying to understand where he is coming from, as many of the definitions here are very loose.

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

Okay. Although much of the debate is about what exactly is a right and what is not. Much of it is a matter of opinion, and opinions differ from person to person.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

I'm guessing this is saying he is against closed union shops. I can understand that. Is he also saying it is ok for collusion as well?

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

Sure

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

I understand where he is coming from, but I disagree. Some forms of welfare are necessary, such as food stamps.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

I often find myself at odds over this. There are times when I have absolutely no problem with it, and times when I do. Seatbelts, I have no problem with the government saying that we must have and use them. Growing up I heard that seatbelts kill more then they save. Today I find this idea idiotic. If someone died because they heard and believed this, could the family then sue the person who said it? Could that person then face manslaughter charges?

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

Agreed.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

Does this mean that the jurors are allowed to interpret the law any way they choose, even if it is the exact opposite that the law says? If thats the case we shouldn't even have laws, because they wouldn't mean anything.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

If any country ever invaded our land, especially any part of the 50 states, in a war where they were the aggressor, I would be 100% for conscription.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

Sure

 

[Avatar4321]

Yeah...and Dr. Paul talked about "avoiding" the civil war by "buying" slaves their freedom.

So much for "natural" rights..eh?

So you prefered the violence of the civil war to the idea of using imminent domain to purchase the slaved and free them that way? While I've never heard Ron Paul advocate this, it's far wiser than killing over half a million citizens and alot cheaper.

 

[Greenbeard]

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

If so, why does Candidate Paul pledge that President Paul would roll back privacy rights and seek to enshrine in federal law his belief that blastocysts are people?

 

[paulitician]

Freedom & Liberty is Big Brother's worst enemy. He truly despises the People and the Constitution. Sadly, that is the current state of affairs in our Country.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

There are, however, classes of persons who may not be adversely effected by government animus; and all governments are subject to the rule of law: Federal, state, and local. Rights are not subject to popular vote. Rights are not absolute, government may limit rights when it can demonstrate a compelling interest, evidence in support of that interest, and a lack of animus toward an individual or class of persons. See: West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943).

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

Congress is authorized by the Commerce Clause to regulate what constitutes ‘economic order,’ to regulate markets and the relationships between and among actors in markets, including relationships between employer and employee, business owner and patron in public accommodation. See: Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States (1964).

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

The Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment codifies the doctrine of Eminent Domain, where all governments may acquire private property for public use pursuant to due process and just compensation requirements. See: Kelo v. City of New London (2005).

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

It may in the context of the doctrine of Eminent Domain, through taxes, excises, or like duties pursuant to the Constitution and the laws of local jurisdictions. The courts may designate suspect classes of persons subject to discriminatory practices by government or private entities to prohibit such discriminatory practices, not to ‘grant special privileges,’ but to ensure adversely effected classes of persons realize due process and equal protection of the law as mandated by the 14th Amendment. See: Brushaber v. Union Pac. R.R. (1916), Romer v. Evans (1996).

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

The First Amendment guarantees the people the right to file suit in Federal court to seek relief when subjected to actions offensive to the Constitution by either public or private entities. The Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to enact regulatory measures to ensure a safe and ordered society, that citizens be free from unscrupulous and criminal business practices, and that the rights of each American be safeguarded in one’s private dwelling and in the workplace. See: United States v. Darby (1941), Gonzales v. Raich (2005).

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution authorizes Congress to borrow money, to regulate commerce, to coin money and regulate its value, and to establish regulatory policies to ensure economic stability. See: Wickard v. Filburn (1942).

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

Congress abdicated its authority to declare war to the Executive in 1973 with the ‘War Powers Act,’ however unwittingly. In Dellums v. Bush (1990), the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the courts lack jurisdiction in war powers disputes between the Legislative and Executive Branches, giving the president sole authority to use the military as he sees fit without Congressional authorization, including 'aggressive wars' - rendering item 7 moot.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

This is a non-issue not in dispute, Paul pointlessly states the obvious.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

Dr. Paul again exhibits his ignorance of the law. In Arver v. United States (1918), the Supreme Court ruled conscription Constitutional. There is no such thing as ‘forced association,’ or ‘forced welfare distribution,’ they are merely ignorant contrivances of the libertarian fantasy.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

This is sophomoric and obvious, the product of a political amateur.

Ron Paul demonstrates the naïve reactionaryism and ignorance of, or contempt for, the Constitution and its case law manifested by libertarians. Libertarianism will forever be relegated to the political fringe consequently.

 

[Douger]

The good ole USA is fighting cancer, Inoperable cancer, Don't be there.

 

[paulitician]

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

There are, however, classes of persons who may not be adversely effected by government animus; and all governments are subject to the rule of law: Federal, state, and local. Rights are not subject to popular vote. Rights are not absolute, government may limit rights when it can demonstrate a compelling interest, evidence in support of that interest, and a lack of animus toward an individual or class of persons. See: West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943).

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

Congress is authorized by the Commerce Clause to regulate what constitutes ‘economic order,’ to regulate markets and the relationships between and among actors in markets, including relationships between employer and employee, business owner and patron in public accommodation. See: Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States (1964).



The Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment codifies the doctrine of Eminent Domain, where all governments may acquire private property for public use pursuant to due process and just compensation requirements. See: Kelo v. City of New London (2005).



It may in the context of the doctrine of Eminent Domain, through taxes, excises, or like duties pursuant to the Constitution and the laws of local jurisdictions. The courts may designate suspect classes of persons subject to discriminatory practices by government or private entities to prohibit such discriminatory practices, not to ‘grant special privileges,’ but to ensure adversely effected classes of persons realize due process and equal protection of the law as mandated by the 14th Amendment. See: Brushaber v. Union Pac. R.R. (1916), Romer v. Evans (1996).



The First Amendment guarantees the people the right to file suit in Federal court to seek relief when subjected to actions offensive to the Constitution by either public or private entities. The Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to enact regulatory measures to ensure a safe and ordered society, that citizens be free from unscrupulous and criminal business practices, and that the rights of each American be safeguarded in one’s private dwelling and in the workplace. See: United States v. Darby (1941), Gonzales v. Raich (2005).



Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution authorizes Congress to borrow money, to regulate commerce, to coin money and regulate its value, and to establish regulatory policies to ensure economic stability. See: Wickard v. Filburn (1942).



Congress abdicated its authority to declare war to the Executive in 1973 with the ‘War Powers Act,’ however unwittingly. In Dellums v. Bush (1990), the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the courts lack jurisdiction in war powers disputes between the Legislative and Executive Branches, giving the president sole authority to use the military as he sees fit without Congressional authorization, including 'aggressive wars' - rendering item 7 moot.



This is a non-issue not in dispute, Paul pointlessly states the obvious.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

Dr. Paul again exhibits his ignorance of the law. In Arver v. United States (1918), the Supreme Court ruled conscription Constitutional. There is no such thing as ‘forced association,’ or ‘forced welfare distribution,’ they are merely ignorant contrivances of the libertarian fantasy.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

This is sophomoric and obvious, the product of a political amateur.

Ron Paul demonstrates the naïve reactionaryism and ignorance of, or contempt for, the Constitution and its case law manifested by libertarians. Libertarianism will forever be relegated to the political fringe consequently.

Well, then you go on being a good loyal Socialist/Progressive Goose Stepper. That's your call i guess. But don't expect all of us to follow.