The Temple Mount was built by Herod and Rome, never belonged to the

[montelatici]

I was talking about the later PBS I Claudius. But it turns out Herod was indeed an Arab bedouin by ancestry.

 

[browsing deer]

You are going to take a book acknowledged by its writer as fiction as your authoritative source?

 

[montelatici]

You are going to take a book acknowledged by its writer as fiction as your authoritative source?

Naw, just the Encyclopedia Brittanica

"Herod was born in southern Palestine. His father, Antipater, was an Edomite (an Arab from the region between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba). Antipater was a man of great influence and wealth who increased both by marrying the daughter of a noble from Petra (in southwestern Jordan), at that time the capital of the rising Nabataean kingdom. Thus, Herod was, although a practicing Jew, of Arab origin on both sides."


Herod | king of Judaea

 

[ForeverYoung436]

What silly nonsense that people kill and die for a several thousand year old slab of rock.

Maybe we should give up that old slab of rock, Capitol Hill in Washington, to Putin and the Russians.

Are you trying to win the dumbest retard award?

Nice comeback. How does your reply counteract the sarcastic analogy of my question? I believe it's an accurate analogy. BTW, pbel, you're an idiot.

 

[montelatici]

You are going to take a book acknowledged by its writer as fiction as your authoritative source?

I see that you have no response and are aghast at the fact that Herod was an Arab. LOL

 

[browsing deer]

It is immaterial. He died a jew.

 

[montelatici]

It is immaterial. He died a jew.

LOL. He was an Arab you idiot.

 

[MJB12741]

It is immaterial. He died a jew.

LOL. He was an Arab you idiot.

Eh, Monte, be he an Arab or not, the Temple was still built for Jews to worship. Get it yet?

 

[montelatici]

The Romans were kindly and were very good about freedom of religion, as long as the adherents did not rebel against the Republic, Rome was a Republic at the time.. That's why they built the temple for the Jews. They destroyed it when the Jews revolted. But, Herod was an Arab, an early Palestinian Arab even if he converted to Judaism.

 

[Challenger]

The Romans were kindly and were very good about freedom of religion, as long as the adherents did not rebel against the Republic, Rome was a Republic at the time.. That's why they built the temple for the Jews. They destroyed it when the Jews revolted. But, Herod was an Arab, an early Palestinian Arab even if he converted to Judaism.

Who says he ever converted to Judaism? It was normal practice in those days for rulers not to follow local cults.

 

[Challenger]

It is immaterial. He died a jew.

LOL. He was an Arab you idiot.

Eh, Monte, be he an Arab or not, the Temple was still built for Jews to worship. Get it yet?

More likely, as a money spinner for the ruling elite. Major ancient temples attracted pilgrims and converts from far and wide who would spend money, both as votive gifts to the temple/priesthood and in the local economy.

 

[Phoenall]

Hebrews.

We won't give up Temple Mount, Israeli rabbis tell Obama

Some 70 religious Zionist rabbis and educators issue a petition directed at the Israeli and American leaders, stating that the Jewish ownership of the holy site preceded the existence of Islam. Therefore, they say, the current visitation and prayer arrangements at the Temple Mount are 'only temporary.'

Kobi Nachshoni

Published:


We won't give up Temple Mount, Israeli rabbis tell Obama

The first Temple was built by King Solomon. The second one was built by Zerubabbel and other Jews, but it was rebuilt and enlarged by Herod. That still predates Islam.

So what? Does it have a deed from Baal or Yahweh? Show us.

No as they did not exist back then, but did exist when the first mosque was built on the site of the Temple so how about you produce the one for the mosque ?

 

[Phoenall]

I claudius is not authoritative. It is pretty good tv and books though.

It does portray just how perverted the Romans were right up until around the first Crusades, including the Catholics. Who was that pope that became pregnant again ?

 

[browsing deer]

No, there was no catholic church until the Council of Nicea in 333 AD. Events in the book (a great work of ficton, don't use it as a reference book like some do) were from 20bc till 60 ad

It really is a fun read.

 

[montelatici]

The Catholic church existed well before the Council of Nicea.

"Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal [katholike] Church."

St. Ignatius about 110 AD.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Romans were kindly and were very good about freedom of religion, as long as the adherents did not rebel against the Republic, Rome was a Republic at the time.. That's why they built the temple for the Jews. They destroyed it when the Jews revolted. But, Herod was an Arab, an early Palestinian Arab even if he converted to Judaism.

Who says he ever converted to Judaism? It was normal practice in those days for rulers not to follow local cults.

Herod was descended from Idumean converts. The Idumeans were conquered and forcibly converted to Judaism during the Maccabean period of Judean history. (They were the only nation to be forcibly converted by Jews. Muslims and Christians forcibly converted many, many nations.) Thus, at least technically, Herod was a Jew. Was Herod an Arab? Arab is a very vague term, referring to many nomadic, roaming tribes of that area. Was he a Palestinian? Certainly not. At that particular period of time, the Romans hadn't even renamed Judea as yet.

 

[Challenger]

The Romans were kindly and were very good about freedom of religion, as long as the adherents did not rebel against the Republic, Rome was a Republic at the time.. That's why they built the temple for the Jews. They destroyed it when the Jews revolted. But, Herod was an Arab, an early Palestinian Arab even if he converted to Judaism.

Who says he ever converted to Judaism? It was normal practice in those days for rulers not to follow local cults.

Herod was descended from Idumean converts. The Idumeans were conquered and forcibly converted to Judaism during the Maccabean period of Judean history. (They were the only nation to be forcibly converted by Jews. Muslims and Christians forcibly converted many, many nations.) Thus, at least technically, Herod was a Jew. Was Herod an Arab? Arab is a very vague term, referring to many nomadic, roaming tribes of that area. Was he a Palestinian? Certainly not. At that particular period of time, the Romans hadn't even renamed Judea as yet.

You forgot Iturea and the Jewish Himyars of Yemen who practiced forced conversion on Christians. All Monotheist religions practiced forced conversion at one time or other.

 

[montelatici]

The Romans were kindly and were very good about freedom of religion, as long as the adherents did not rebel against the Republic, Rome was a Republic at the time.. That's why they built the temple for the Jews. They destroyed it when the Jews revolted. But, Herod was an Arab, an early Palestinian Arab even if he converted to Judaism.

Who says he ever converted to Judaism? It was normal practice in those days for rulers not to follow local cults.

Herod was descended from Idumean converts. The Idumeans were conquered and forcibly converted to Judaism during the Maccabean period of Judean history. (They were the only nation to be forcibly converted by Jews. Muslims and Christians forcibly converted many, many nations.) Thus, at least technically, Herod was a Jew. Was Herod an Arab? Arab is a very vague term, referring to many nomadic, roaming tribes of that area. Was he a Palestinian? Certainly not. At that particular period of time, the Romans hadn't even renamed Judea as yet.

The Romans did not actually rename Palestine, they knew it by its Greek name Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē. The Greeks probably transliterated Peleset, which is what the Egyptians called the place, into Greek.