The Tea Party loves the Constitution?

[rightwinger]

Then why do they constantly want to change it?

First Amendment: They want to outlaw burning the flag, they want a law to prevent Muslims from building Mosques
Second Amendment: Don't dare touch that one
Fourth Amendment: Support expanded searches in the name of public safety
14th Amendment: They want to change citizenship requirements for Mexicans, do not want it to apply to gays
16th Amendment: They want to repeal the right of the government to collect income taxes
17th Amendment: They do not want Senators directly elected by the people

The group that wraps itself in the Constitution does not seem to appreciate it very much

Got any links that have examples and gives thier reasons for thinking this way?

I don't know many, and am not one myself, but;
!st; I have yet to hear anyone say either of those. Asking muslims not to be assholes, is not breaking the law or wanting to change the Constitution.
2nd; well no shit, that's something Dems, libs and progs want to do away with.
4th; what?
14th; People come into America on a regular basis just to give birth so they can't be sent home.
16th; since when?
17th; the electoral college sucks ass. How many Presidents have won the popular vote, but not been elected?

Sounds like they want to fix what's broken. But broken is how the DNC wants America, so shame on those people that want to make it better.

Do Tea Baggers support?

- The mosque near ground zero?
- Equal rights for gays?
- Birth citizenship for illegals?
- The federal income tax?
- Direct election of Senators?

These are all rightwing conservative issues that are protected by our Constitution

 

[Two Thumbs]

Meanwhile the ACLU whose sole purpose is to DEFEND the Constitution is vilified by the Tea Party.

Have any of them even READ the Constitution?

That's a lie.

The aclu only enforces the Constitution when it wants to.

When the military was getting fucked over by your hero clinton, those lying basturds where no where to be seen.

How was the military getting fucked over by (your hero) clinton [sic]? Be specific.

Clinton downsized the military.

To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

 

[rightwinger]

Then why do they constantly want to change it?

First Amendment: They want to outlaw burning the flag, they want a law to prevent Muslims from building Mosques
Second Amendment: Don't dare touch that one
Fourth Amendment: Support expanded searches in the name of public safety
14th Amendment: They want to change citizenship requirements for Mexicans, do not want it to apply to gays
16th Amendment: They want to repeal the right of the government to collect income taxes
17th Amendment: They do not want Senators directly elected by the people

The group that wraps itself in the Constitution does not seem to appreciate it very much

Lust like most libs you think if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Just because you say it doesn't make it so.

Really? Then explain to me the right wing conservative positions on these issues

 

[Two Thumbs]

Then why do they constantly want to change it?

First Amendment: They want to outlaw burning the flag, they want a law to prevent Muslims from building Mosques
Second Amendment: Don't dare touch that one
Fourth Amendment: Support expanded searches in the name of public safety
14th Amendment: They want to change citizenship requirements for Mexicans, do not want it to apply to gays
16th Amendment: They want to repeal the right of the government to collect income taxes
17th Amendment: They do not want Senators directly elected by the people

The group that wraps itself in the Constitution does not seem to appreciate it very much

Got any links that have examples and gives thier reasons for thinking this way?

I don't know many, and am not one myself, but;
!st; I have yet to hear anyone say either of those. Asking muslims not to be assholes, is not breaking the law or wanting to change the Constitution.
2nd; well no shit, that's something Dems, libs and progs want to do away with.
4th; what?
14th; People come into America on a regular basis just to give birth so they can't be sent home.
16th; since when?
17th; the electoral college sucks ass. How many Presidents have won the popular vote, but not been elected?

Sounds like they want to fix what's broken. But broken is how the DNC wants America, so shame on those people that want to make it better.

Do Tea Baggers support?

- The mosque near ground zero?
- Equal rights for gays?
- Birth citizenship for illegals?
- The federal income tax?
- Direct election of Senators?

These are all rightwing conservative issues that are protected by our Constitution

So you don't have any links to prove your accusations.

- The mosque near ground zero? Why would anyone support a kick in the teeth?
- Equal rights for gays? I do
- Birth citizenship for illegals? This has backfired on us. Taking a second look at an "amendment" is not anti-rights
- The federal income tax? They are against wastefull spending and high taxes. not all taxes.
- Direct election of Senators? one man one vote. Who is against that?

 

[Nosmo King]

That's a lie.

The aclu only enforces the Constitution when it wants to.

When the military was getting fucked over by your hero clinton, those lying basturds where no where to be seen.

How was the military getting fucked over by (your hero) clinton [sic]? Be specific.

Clinton downsized the military.

To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

And you think the ACLU was derelect because....

Did President Clinton act without constitutional authority? Did he disband the Amry or Navy? There are provisons in the constitution establishing both those branches.

Do you understand what the constitution is and how it works?

Just because decisions were made that help deflate the military-industial complex, it doesn't mean that the constitution was violated.

You would have had a fit in 1928! The Kellogg-Briand pact would have made your ears bleed! And, you'd have a Republican president to kick around!

 

[rightwinger]

That's a lie.

The aclu only enforces the Constitution when it wants to.

When the military was getting fucked over by your hero clinton, those lying basturds where no where to be seen.

How was the military getting fucked over by (your hero) clinton [sic]? Be specific.

Clinton downsized the military.

To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

Clinton took office in Jan 1993 right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Of course he downsized the military. Our Military was designed to fight the cold war. It was bloated, the doctrine was wrong, the equipment was wrong, the structure was wrong.

You may also note that by downsizing the military we managed to have a balanced budget

 

[drsmith1072]

Then why do they constantly want to change it?

First Amendment: They want to outlaw burning the flag, they want a law to prevent Muslims from building Mosques
Second Amendment: Don't dare touch that one
Fourth Amendment: Support expanded searches in the name of public safety
14th Amendment: They want to change citizenship requirements for Mexicans, do not want it to apply to gays
16th Amendment: They want to repeal the right of the government to collect income taxes
17th Amendment: They do not want Senators directly elected by the people

The group that wraps itself in the Constitution does not seem to appreciate it very much

Lust like most libs you think if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Just because you say it doesn't make it so.

Can you prove it's a lie or are you only offering your opinions??

BTW did you happen to miss two thumbs responses where he actually defends some of the positions listed?? That kind of shows that at least some truth lies in what rightwinger has said.

Got any links that have examples and gives thier reasons for thinking this way?

I don't know many, and am not one myself, but;
!st; I have yet to hear anyone say either of those. Asking muslims not to be assholes, is not breaking the law or wanting to change the Constitution.
2nd; well no shit, that's something Dems, libs and progs want to do away with.
4th; what?
14th; People come into America on a regular basis just to give birth so they can't be sent home.16th; since when?
17th; the electoral college sucks ass. How many Presidents have won the popular vote, but not been elected?
Sounds like they want to fix what's broken. But broken is how the DNC wants America, so shame on those people that want to make it better.

Oops.

 

[daveman]

They key difference here is that conservatives want to change the Constitution in the manner prescribed by the Constitution itself.

Liberals want to change the Constitution by ignoring it and passing laws and by judges legislating from the bench.

 

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Put the car in R to ditch the democrats.

 

[rightwinger]

They key difference here is that conservatives want to change the Constitution in the manner prescribed by the Constitution itself.

Liberals want to change the Constitution by ignoring it and passing laws and by judges legislating from the bench.

I don't see Liberals complaining about the Constitution. Yet somehow, the right wing conservatives who wrap themselves in the Constitution have obviously never read it. That is why they want to change so much of the document

 

[Two Thumbs]

How was the military getting fucked over by (your hero) clinton [sic]? Be specific.

Clinton downsized the military.

To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

And you think the ACLU was derelect because....

Did President Clinton act without constitutional authority? Did he disband the Amry or Navy? There are provisons in the constitution establishing both those branches.

Do you understand what the constitution is and how it works?

Just because decisions were made that help deflate the military-industial complex, it doesn't mean that the constitution was violated.

You would have had a fit in 1928! The Kellogg-Briand pact would have made your ears bleed! And, you'd have a Republican president to kick around!

It's always nice to get my hatred of democrats reconfirmed every now and then.

Your utter disreguard for honorable men and women has been echoed by every other dem I explain this too. You always have excuses for breaking the law as long as it's the laws that fuck over honorable people.

Thanks for proving that my decision to never ever vote (d) ever again, was the right one.

 

[kwc57]

Then why do they constantly want to change it?

First Amendment: They want to outlaw burning the flag, they want a law to prevent Muslims from building Mosques
Second Amendment: Don't dare touch that one
Fourth Amendment: Support expanded searches in the name of public safety
14th Amendment: They want to change citizenship requirements for Mexicans, do not want it to apply to gays
16th Amendment: They want to repeal the right of the government to collect income taxes
17th Amendment: They do not want Senators directly elected by the people

The group that wraps itself in the Constitution does not seem to appreciate it very much

You're going to need to provide some documentation to back up your claims. May I suggest links to actual Tea Party sites where this is part of the individual groups platform. I've got a feeling that what you will find instead is a call for lower taxes and smaller government.

 

[daveman]

They key difference here is that conservatives want to change the Constitution in the manner prescribed by the Constitution itself.

Liberals want to change the Constitution by ignoring it and passing laws and by judges legislating from the bench.

I don't see Liberals complaining about the Constitution. Yet somehow, the right wing conservatives who wrap themselves in the Constitution have obviously never read it. That is why they want to change so much of the document

Liberals don't complain about it because they work around it. They don't need to know what it says because they ignore it.

And obviously, people who want to change it in the manner it prescribes HAVE read it.

 

[Sallow]

And you think the ACLU was derelect because....

Did President Clinton act without constitutional authority? Did he disband the Amry or Navy? There are provisons in the constitution establishing both those branches.

Do you understand what the constitution is and how it works?

Just because decisions were made that help deflate the military-industial complex, it doesn't mean that the constitution was violated.

You would have had a fit in 1928! The Kellogg-Briand pact would have made your ears bleed! And, you'd have a Republican president to kick around!

The navy is a permanent fixture as perscribed by the Constitution, the army is not. It must be funded by a vote every two years. IMHO the Second Amendment pertains to the Militia's right to bear arms. It's probably the most mis-interpreted amendment in the Constitution. There are a good deal of clauses that refer to the Congress drawing from militias to populate the army. Original intent..seems to be the Citizen Soldier acting in defense of the homeland. Not a professional class of permanent soldiers under federal control.

 

[Two Thumbs]

How was the military getting fucked over by (your hero) clinton [sic]? Be specific.

Clinton downsized the military.

To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

Clinton took office in Jan 1993 right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Of course he downsized the military. Our Military was designed to fight the cold war. It was bloated, the doctrine was wrong, the equipment was wrong, the structure was wrong.

You may also note that by downsizing the military we managed to have a balanced budget

Oh, and don't forget, when we had to go to war. We were undermanned and under equipt. Men died and you can thank clinton.

My god man!!

It's ok to fuck Vets over for a fucking surplus!? How fucking evil are dems?

This would have been the right way;

We are limiting enlisment of new people and limiting the re-enlistment of current people. Here's the list of rates that will be limited...

But you fucks got your surplus, never mind who you discriminated against to get it.

 

[daveman]

Then why do they constantly want to change it?

First Amendment: They want to outlaw burning the flag, they want a law to prevent Muslims from building Mosques
Second Amendment: Don't dare touch that one
Fourth Amendment: Support expanded searches in the name of public safety
14th Amendment: They want to change citizenship requirements for Mexicans, do not want it to apply to gays
16th Amendment: They want to repeal the right of the government to collect income taxes
17th Amendment: They do not want Senators directly elected by the people

The group that wraps itself in the Constitution does not seem to appreciate it very much

You're going to need to provide some documentation to back up your claims.

Why should he start now?

 

[drsmith1072]

That's a lie.

The aclu only enforces the Constitution when it wants to.

When the military was getting fucked over by your hero clinton, those lying basturds where no where to be seen.

How was the military getting fucked over by (your hero) clinton [sic]? Be specific.

Clinton downsized the military.
To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

Uh so did reagan and HW. They started cutting the defense budget in 85 and that trend continued until 1999 when clinton became the first president to increase it instead of cutting it since 1985.

BTW can you provide a link to show that clinton established the pay grade time limits? how about the weight standards that are still in effect today, do you have a link? Can you actually show where any of the things that you listed came from?

I served 4 years (95-99) while clinton was president and noticed how much we were getting even as the right complained about how much we were allegedly losing. New vehicles, new personal equipment, new computers, money for new barracks and on post housing. Yeah it was SOOO bad. LOL

 

[Sallow]

They key difference here is that conservatives want to change the Constitution in the manner prescribed by the Constitution itself.

Liberals want to change the Constitution by ignoring it and passing laws and by judges legislating from the bench.

I don't see Liberals complaining about the Constitution. Yet somehow, the right wing conservatives who wrap themselves in the Constitution have obviously never read it. That is why they want to change so much of the document

Liberals don't complain about it because they work around it. They don't need to know what it says because they ignore it.

And obviously, people who want to change it in the manner it prescribes HAVE read it.

Liberals don't "complain" about it because it was written by people who were mostly Liberal.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Clinton downsized the military.

To get people out he first offered a comical early retirement. A rew took it, most laughed at it.

Then he made a new rule (a breach of our contracts) That if you hadn't made a certain rank by a certain time, you would be kicked out. You ever see your bosses job, and think to yourself; "I don't want that job"? We lost a lot of senior men and women with that move. No one was promoted to fill the holes.

Then he made discrimination legal.

If you were not under a certain amount of body fat you were kicked out. That is discrimination, and a breach of contract.

And then he legalised theft.

Anyone kicked out lost 1/2 of thier breach of contract money on the day they were discharged, then the military would send you a letter telling you that you got too much and took the rest out of tax returns. Unless you could afford a very good lawyer.


Now, Where the hell was the aclu? Where were YOU when the men and women that volunteered to fight and die for this country were getting fucked over?

I'll tell you. You were all cheering, b/c none of you give a shit.

Clinton took office in Jan 1993 right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Of course he downsized the military. Our Military was designed to fight the cold war. It was bloated, the doctrine was wrong, the equipment was wrong, the structure was wrong.

You may also note that by downsizing the military we managed to have a balanced budget

Oh, and don't forget, when we had to go to war. We were undermanned and under equipt. Men died and you can thank clinton.

My god man!!

It's ok to fuck Vets over for a fucking surplus!? How fucking evil are dems?

This would have been the right way;

We are limiting enlisment of new people and limiting the re-enlistment of current people. Here's the list of rates that will be limited...

But you fucks got your surplus, never mind who you discriminated against to get it.

BS, we were undermanned because a retarded monkey named Donald Rumsfeld refused to listen to then General Shinseki that the war could not be fought and maintained with the plan they had in mind and that it would take more troops, Rumsfled, Bush Monkey and Cheyney didn't listen thats why there was a debacle, that debacle had nothing to do with Bill Clinton's drawdown in the 1990s.

 

[daveman]

I don't see Liberals complaining about the Constitution. Yet somehow, the right wing conservatives who wrap themselves in the Constitution have obviously never read it. That is why they want to change so much of the document

Liberals don't complain about it because they work around it. They don't need to know what it says because they ignore it.

And obviously, people who want to change it in the manner it prescribes HAVE read it.

Liberals don't "complain" about it because it was written by people who were mostly Liberal.

You're right, but not in the way you think.

The Founding Fathers were classical liberals: They believed personal liberty of the individual was the most important facet of society, and wrote the Constitution to limit government's ability to interfere with that liberty.

However, modern liberalism has nothing to do with individual liberties. It's concerned with people as a collective, and the collective is more important than the individual. Individual freedoms are unimportant.

Modern conservatives are classical liberals.

You can deny this, but not credibly.