The Tea Party and the debt ceiling

[kiwiman127]

The first thing we have to do is determine whether the debt ceiling is a problem. That's pretty easy. It's more than a problem, it's a crisis. Next thing we have to do is determine if the Obama administration and the lock step mind numbed robots in the democrat party ever addressed the crisis while they had total majority in both houses of congress for four years and a democrat liberal in the white house for two of the four years. The easy answer is ...no. Blue state and red state Americans should be grateful to the Tea Party for forcing politicians to address the problem. There was no chance that the Tea Party could influence the glassy-eyed neo-socialists in the democrat party so they supported republicans and now the president admits that the debt is a problem and democrat leaders are prodding their membership to do something. Hooray Tea Party. The US would have gone down the tubes under democrat neo-socialists and cowardly republicans.

One gentle correction here, though by implication you said it, the Tea Party did not support Republicans. They have supported people who embrace Tea Party concepts. Almost all of those, however, have been Republicans because most Democrats, even those who agreed with Tea Party concepts, could not afford the political fallout by being connected to a Tea Party endorsement. Those who had the cajones to do that, though have almost all been elected.

But will the Tea Party be the force it is today,,tomorrow?

"The “tea party” movement, born out frustration with Democrats and Republicans, is viewed unfavorably by roughly half of Americans, putting the conservative protest group in the same political boat as its older, more established rivals, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Wednesday.

According to the survey, 47% of those surveyed said they had an unfavorable view of the tea party, a collection of different groups that are loosely united in their view of opposing big government, taxes and spending. The number of those who see the tea party in a negative light has increased 21 points since January 2010, when the group was becoming a significant force in fielding conservative candidates in GOP races around the country."
Tea Party Poll | CNN/Opinion Research poll: Many view tea party unfavorably, poll says - Los Angeles Times


The rise in negative views of the Tea Party has occurred largely among political independents and Democrats," reads a Pew analysis of the results. "Last March, more independents agreed than disagreed with the Tea Party by a 26% to 14% margin. Today, as many independents disagree as agree with the Tea Party (27% each); the percentage disagreeing with the Tea Party has risen 13 points."Tea Party takes hit among independents - The Hill's Ballot Box

I think the Tea Party is like a new toy, when they are shiny and attractive at first but when the newness is gone, so does the attraction.

 

[Foxfyre]

The first thing we have to do is determine whether the debt ceiling is a problem. That's pretty easy. It's more than a problem, it's a crisis. Next thing we have to do is determine if the Obama administration and the lock step mind numbed robots in the democrat party ever addressed the crisis while they had total majority in both houses of congress for four years and a democrat liberal in the white house for two of the four years. The easy answer is ...no. Blue state and red state Americans should be grateful to the Tea Party for forcing politicians to address the problem. There was no chance that the Tea Party could influence the glassy-eyed neo-socialists in the democrat party so they supported republicans and now the president admits that the debt is a problem and democrat leaders are prodding their membership to do something. Hooray Tea Party. The US would have gone down the tubes under democrat neo-socialists and cowardly republicans.

One gentle correction here, though by implication you said it, the Tea Party did not support Republicans. They have supported people who embrace Tea Party concepts. Almost all of those, however, have been Republicans because most Democrats, even those who agreed with Tea Party concepts, could not afford the political fallout by being connected to a Tea Party endorsement. Those who had the cajones to do that, though have almost all been elected.

But will the Tea Party be the force it is today,,tomorrow?

"The “tea party” movement, born out frustration with Democrats and Republicans, is viewed unfavorably by roughly half of Americans, putting the conservative protest group in the same political boat as its older, more established rivals, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Wednesday.

According to the survey, 47% of those surveyed said they had an unfavorable view of the tea party, a collection of different groups that are loosely united in their view of opposing big government, taxes and spending. The number of those who see the tea party in a negative light has increased 21 points since January 2010, when the group was becoming a significant force in fielding conservative candidates in GOP races around the country."
Tea Party Poll | CNN/Opinion Research poll: Many view tea party unfavorably, poll says - Los Angeles Times


The rise in negative views of the Tea Party has occurred largely among political independents and Democrats," reads a Pew analysis of the results. "Last March, more independents agreed than disagreed with the Tea Party by a 26% to 14% margin. Today, as many independents disagree as agree with the Tea Party (27% each); the percentage disagreeing with the Tea Party has risen 13 points."Tea Party takes hit among independents - The Hill's Ballot Box

I think the Tea Party is like a new toy, when they are shiny and attractive at first but when the newness is gone, so does the attraction.

Possibly, but with the Tea Party getting hammered, generally dishonestly, by the mainstream media, leftwing blogs and leftwing message boarders, and Obama, his spokespersons, and most of the Democrats, a lot of people aren't hearing anything other than negative rhetoric re the Tea Party. And a lot of what they disagree with is the social agenda that the left is desperately trying to tie to the Tea Party and which has nothing to do with the Tea Party.

But you take those same people and lay out the Tea Party principles without referencing the Tea Party, and they will overwhelmingly support the Tea Party agenda: Smaller, more effective, more efficient federal government; fiscal accountability including a balanced budget, Constitutional integrity, and freedom including leaving the people with as much of their own money as possible.

What rational person can argue with any of that? The only ones who argue with it are the blind, brainwashed ideologues. It is such a terrifying agenda to the left they have to somehow convince their base that it doesn't exist.

 

[Stephanie]

You have to laugh.

Remember when they told us the Tea Party was insignificant.

Now evidently they are the all mighty power.

And this is a article By Ezra Kline..nuff said

 

[Stephanie]

I honestly don't believe that there has been an issue more important. It hasn't been Obama's doing that has caused the right to say they will never compromise. I believe that politics is using compromise to come to a point where we can actually get things done.

But Baruch, from what I have seen there are several groups that call themselves the real tea partiers. And it seems to me they don't always agree. Is this what you think or is that impression of mine wrong?

I think you can divide the tea party into two main ideological groups. On the one hand, you have the independent, fiscal conservative, and libertarian wing that is concerned with small government, and does not look positively on foreign interventionism or government involvement in personal matters. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who are for small government in economics but still support socially statist policies and are less critical of the warfare state.

To me it is basically the Ron Paul side and the Michelle Bachman/Sarah Palin side.

A large faction of the baggers are non thinking fux news spouting sarah worshipping morons..Oh, you forgot those people, din'cha?

awwww, like they haven't heard this one OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.. I swear lefties have evolved from the parrot.

 

[peach174]

A large faction of the baggers are non thinking fux news spouting sarah worshipping morons..Oh, you forgot those people, din'cha?
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This is what the left has always gotten wrong. Old salt
Talk radio including Rush Limbaugh was saying what most conservatives and moderates were already thinking and saying before they came on the air.
When Rush began many started to listen and said he is saying the same thing that I am.
Same with Fox news.
These came about because it gave Conservatives and moderates a voice against a sea of news that was only for socialistic ideology.
We already had these view points way before Talk radio and Fox news.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Considering that around 70 plus percent of the country FAVORS hiking up taxes on the super rich and closing loopholes, I'd say that it's the GOP that's not listening to the people.

 

[WillowTree]

I think you can divide the tea party into two main ideological groups. On the one hand, you have the independent, fiscal conservative, and libertarian wing that is concerned with small government, and does not look positively on foreign interventionism or government involvement in personal matters. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who are for small government in economics but still support socially statist policies and are less critical of the warfare state.

To me it is basically the Ron Paul side and the Michelle Bachman/Sarah Palin side.

A large faction of the baggers are non thinking fux news spouting sarah worshipping morons..Oh, you forgot those people, din'cha?

awwww, like they haven't heard this one OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.. I swear lefties have evolved from the parrot.

 

[WillowTree]

Considering that around 70 plus percent of the country FAVORS hiking up taxes on the super rich and closing loopholes, I'd say that it's the GOP that's not listening to the people.

Seventy percent of the country favors discrimination? Wow

 

[Trajan]

Considering that around 70 plus percent of the country FAVORS hiking up taxes on the super rich and closing loopholes, I'd say that it's the GOP that's not listening to the people.

uh huh...just becasue obama says it, does not make it true.

On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes


oh and have we now crated another class to the class warfare pitch? who is the rich and who is the super rich?

 

[Foxfyre]

Considering that around 70 plus percent of the country FAVORS hiking up taxes on the super rich and closing loopholes, I'd say that it's the GOP that's not listening to the people.

uh huh...just becasue obama says it, does not make it true.

On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes


oh and have we now crated another class to the class warfare pitch? who is the rich and who is the super rich?

And Rasmussen has been tracking this for months now. As of July 14:

As the Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.

Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

There is a huge partisan divide on the question. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats want a tax hike in the deal while 82% of Republicans do not. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 35% favor a tax hike and 51% are opposed.
55% Oppose Tax Hike In Debt Ceiling Deal - Rasmussen Reports™