The surprise we have coming for 2008

Truthmatters,

Thanks for posting this link. It never occured to me that Wikipedia would have "Caging" listed as a topic.

When this term was used in the House, it appeared that no one even knew what it meant, including Monica Goodling who brought it up.

Now it appears it's a major mechanism that Republicans have used to steal elections. Hopefully this will lead to further investigations that are specifically related to "Vote Caging."
 
Explain again how requiring one to actually provide proof they are who they say they are is BAD when they arrive to vote.

What exactly is gained by opposing identification at polling places?

have you ever voted sgt?

what happens at the poll when you walk in?

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in massachusetts, they asked what party you are registered under, and then you give them your name and address....

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can you please explain to me HOW someone would be able to commit voter fraud under those conditions?

please give me a plausible scenario....

care
 
Simple enough.... people handle the voter registration and list, it is in fact a list created and available to anyone with the right job or "clearance".

Now you and your ilk will believe that "evil" rightwing extremists have infiltrated and corrupted voting machines, even in areas they have no members in the system to do so, BUT you just can't fathom how a list could possible be given to anyone else.

Further , in my State you do not even have to prove your a resident of the State nor that your a legal citizen of the Country. All you need is to apply for a drivers license. All that requires is an address and something with your name and picture.

I find that offensive, we have illegal aliens voting in this State. The democrats bus them to democratic districts to get registered and then bus them to the polls. Further they ILLEGALLY provide a table with "helpers" to fill out the voter cards or help them in the booth punch the lever or touch the screen.

The press doesn't care, won't investigate and if you as a voter complain they tell you to shut up and go away. The State is run by Democrats and has been since before the Civil War.

Not only do I think one should identify themselves but I think that one should have to provide evidence at registration that they are who they say they are and are LEGALLY allowed to vote.

But do prattle on about all the "evil" right wing conspiracies and make ridiculous statements about how liberals never do anything wrong.
 
Heres the problem, no one has ever proven that what you speak happens with any significant numbers.

The contrary has been found when it has been studied.


The machines have been provento be hunks of shit by EVERYONE who has examined them.

Why wont you ever answer the question of why a Co that can and does produce ATMs which never lose a penny ant make a trustable voting machine???
 
A rather interesting development in regarding Gonzogate. It seems that Ms. Goodling blew a few holes in Kyle Sampson's testimony, chiefly that Sampson lied when he denied that Ms. Goodling told him about Tim Griffin's involvement with caging voters in the 2004 election. And caging votes is a felony.

<blockquote>With one type of caging, a political party sends registered mail to addresses of registered voters. If the mail is returned as undeliverable - because, for example, the voter refuses to sign for it, the voter isn't present for delivery, or the voter is homeless - the party uses that fact to challenge the registration, arguing that because the voter could not be reached at the address, the registration is fraudulent. It is this use of direct mail caging techniques to target voters which probably resulted in the application of the name to the political tactic. - <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list>Wikipedia</a></blockquote>

At is vote caging that is at the heart of the firings at the DOJ. It's not about firing US attorneys whose loyalty to the Constitution outweighs loyalty to party and president. It's about replacing attorneys who wouldn't co-operate with the voter caging in 2004 with those who would co-operate with another similar operation in 2008.

You can find the video of the BBC report on the matter <a href=http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551>HERE</a>.
 
Simple enough.... people handle the voter registration and list, it is in fact a list created and available to anyone with the right job or "clearance".

Now you and your ilk will believe that "evil" rightwing extremists have infiltrated and corrupted voting machines, even in areas they have no members in the system to do so, BUT you just can't fathom how a list could possible be given to anyone else.

Further , in my State you do not even have to prove your a resident of the State nor that your a legal citizen of the Country. All you need is to apply for a drivers license. All that requires is an address and something with your name and picture.

I find that offensive, we have illegal aliens voting in this State. The democrats bus them to democratic districts to get registered and then bus them to the polls. Further they ILLEGALLY provide a table with "helpers" to fill out the voter cards or help them in the booth punch the lever or touch the screen.

The press doesn't care, won't investigate and if you as a voter complain they tell you to shut up and go away. The State is run by Democrats and has been since before the Civil War.

Not only do I think one should identify themselves but I think that one should have to provide evidence at registration that they are who they say they are and are LEGALLY allowed to vote.

But do prattle on about all the "evil" right wing conspiracies and make ridiculous statements about how liberals never do anything wrong.

i am not quite certain who ''me and my ilk'' are in your very bitter, and mean, intolerant, and arrogant to the tee, little head of yours.... but you in no way gave me a plausible method of voter fraud....nor how needing or using an id at the poll would in any way help someone with voter fraud...

i need more details to understand how asking someone for an id at the voting booth is going to stop this fraud, id's are a dime a dozen now a days.... and if you say it is an inside job with someone with access to the voter rolls.... what next?

how do they know what name to choose? what if the name they choose to use has voted already and when they give the election employee your fake name she says, YOU have voted already?

and fake ids can be made to copy anything nowadays?

also, if the problem lies with ''dead people'' voting ,then the problem is NOT having updated voter rolls...when someone dies, then for goodness sakes, remove them from the eligible voter's roll....

an id at the voting booth, would not stop any kind of voter fraud, so WHY MAKE gvt BIGGER for no valid reason and waste our tax payers dollars to do it? especially when there are so many other ways that voter fraud is committed including manipulating legal means to disenfranchise voters?

care
 
If voter fraud were really such a rampant problem, if voter ID's were so fucking important for republicans, why wouldn't they WANT to give them to ALL voters free of charge?

republicans pushing for voter IDs that the voters must pay for is just a back handed way to reduce the vote from the poor....

and a clear example of a poll tax.

watching them tap dance away from that blatant reality is hilarious! :rofl:
 
A rather interesting development in regarding Gonzogate. It seems that Ms. Goodling blew a few holes in Kyle Sampson's testimony, chiefly that Sampson lied when he denied that Ms. Goodling told him about Tim Griffin's involvement with caging voters in the 2004 election. And caging votes is a felony.

<blockquote>With one type of caging, a political party sends registered mail to addresses of registered voters. If the mail is returned as undeliverable - because, for example, the voter refuses to sign for it, the voter isn't present for delivery, or the voter is homeless - the party uses that fact to challenge the registration, arguing that because the voter could not be reached at the address, the registration is fraudulent. It is this use of direct mail caging techniques to target voters which probably resulted in the application of the name to the political tactic. - <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list>Wikipedia</a></blockquote>

At is vote caging that is at the heart of the firings at the DOJ. It's not about firing US attorneys whose loyalty to the Constitution outweighs loyalty to party and president. It's about replacing attorneys who wouldn't co-operate with the voter caging in 2004 with those who would co-operate with another similar operation in 2008.

You can find the video of the BBC report on the matter <a href=http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551>HERE</a>.

holy crap!
 
holy crap!


And who was picked to fill the post of the fired Arkansas US attorney? Karl Rove's protégé, Tim Griffin. Griffin wasn't just 'involved' in this campaign to challenge and purge voters, an illegal campaign at that. And it was Rove who insisted that Griffin be installed in the post of Arkansas US Attorney. How's about that...From perpetrator to prosecutor, at the snap of Rove's fingers.

The US attorney firings are but the tip of the iceberg in Rove's stated goal of establishing one party rule in America and the less well publicized goal of establishing a unitary executive...Ideals inherently antithetical to what Americans have fought and died for since the American Revolution.

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Heres the problem, no one has ever proven that what you speak happens with any significant numbers.

The contrary has been found when it has been studied.


The machines have been provento be hunks of shit by EVERYONE who has examined them.

Why wont you ever answer the question of why a Co that can and does produce ATMs which never lose a penny ant make a trustable voting machine???

What's really sad about the electronic voting machines is that electronic gambling machines are far more tightly regulated. You've more protections and safeguards in place at the sleaziest gambling hell in Vegas than you do in the voting booth.

<center><a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/opinion/13SUN1.html?ex=1402459200&en=40e4afe91f2a555f&ei=5007&partner=JACKPOT>Gambling on Voting</a></center>
 
What's really sad about the electronic voting machines is that electronic gambling machines are far more tightly regulated. You've more protections and safeguards in place at the sleaziest gambling hell in Vegas than you do in the voting booth.

<center><a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/opinion/13SUN1.html?ex=1402459200&en=40e4afe91f2a555f&ei=5007&partner=JACKPOT>Gambling on Voting</a></center>

You are, of course, aware that the Congress of the United States has no control over what Individual States decide to use as their voting equipment. The Congress may pass general guidelines but nothing specific. Each State decides for itself what it will use, how it will use it and whom it will buy from. Each individual State is free to establish it owns criteria on the machinery it uses to conduct voting and in fact it is their RESPONSIBILTY to do so.

Last I checked the republicans don't control all or even most of the State Legislatures or Governor positions. And they didn't control them in 2000 or 2002 or 2004.

Claiming the evil republican rightwing zealots in the US Congress forced everyone to buy these machines and use them AND forced them to buy them from those evil Republican rightwing zealots that "fixed" them is either amazingly stupid on your part, a lie, OR you just have no clue how things work. In any case the claim is ludicrous, without merit and assinine.
 
Your examples point out the flaws in the system not vote fraud. Try again.

Very good, bully. They point out flaws in the system because THAT is what the problem is. And any real or imagined "vote fraud" is the result of a flawed system. If the system was not flawed, there would be no room for bogus allegations of vote fraud.
 
Very good, bully. They point out flaws in the system because THAT is what the problem is. And any real or imagined "vote fraud" is the result of a flawed system. If the system was not flawed, there would be no room for bogus allegations of vote fraud.

No bogus allegations here. The evidence of the GOP's caging operation is contained in 500 of the missing e-mails the White House claims it can't find.
 

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