The state of Palestine.

[montelatici]

In Israel non-Jews cannot own land because most of the land can only be sold or le

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Which is why they refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State. If the Arabs had won the 67 War do you think the Pro Palestinian Kool Aid Drinkers would be screaming about " occupation?" Ask why Israel should give In to all demands and there will be no response.

The reason that the Christians and Muslims should not be living under Jewish rule is because they were the people that were living there before the Europeans colonized the place.

Having Palestinians owning land is completely unlawful due to the fact they can't be owners of this land by modern international law since they were not born in Israel (difference of religion doesn't matters here), next.

You'd be surprised Daniel, in normal western nations, like the USA and all of the EU, you don't have to be a citizen or of a particular religion to own land. modern International law has nothing to do with it.

In Israel non-Jews are prevented from leasing most of the available land. They have access only to privately owned land, about 7% of the total.

Israel is the only country claiming to be a democratic, advanced-economy country where state or quasi-state agencies own the vast majority of the land area. An estimated 93 percent of the country’s total land area (excluding the occupied areas of the West Bank and Gaza) is owned by the state or by quasi-state agencies. Non-Jews are not entitled to lease Jewish National Fund land and the Jewish National Fund owns the land in concert with the state. This state-owned land can only be leased anyway, it is never sold.

"While there is no legislative mandate prescribing the objectives the ILA must advance, these have been established through judicial precedent. A seminal ruling dictating these objectives can be found in the Israel Supreme Court case of Adal Ka’adan v. the Israel Land Administration:

“…The objectives that comprise the core authority of the Israel Land Administration are the continuation of State control of Israeli Land and the perpetuation of the administration and development of land in Israel under the concentration of a singular government entity. This is to prevent the transfer of ownership to non-favorable entities, to advance security issues and to authorize the operation of different national projects – such as: the absorption of new immigrants, the proper distribution of the population and agricultural settlement…”

"In principle, land that is owned by the Jewish National Fund can be leased to Jews only. The implication is that foreigners, as well as Israeli citizens and/or residents who are not Jewish, are not entitled to lease this land."

Non-Jews are considered "non-favorable entities"

Types of land in Israel - Buy Property In Israel

 

[teddyearp]

You sir are a funny MoFo. Your video talks about an occupation of Gaza since 1948. And yes, from 1948 to 1967 Gaza was occupied by Egypt. where is your outrage about that???????

 

[teddyearp]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

 

[Phoenall]

In Israel non-Jews cannot own land because most of the land can only be sold or le

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Which is why they refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State. If the Arabs had won the 67 War do you think the Pro Palestinian Kool Aid Drinkers would be screaming about " occupation?" Ask why Israel should give In to all demands and there will be no response.

The reason that the Christians and Muslims should not be living under Jewish rule is because they were the people that were living there before the Europeans colonized the place.

Having Palestinians owning land is completely unlawful due to the fact they can't be owners of this land by modern international law since they were not born in Israel (difference of religion doesn't matters here), next.

You'd be surprised Daniel, in normal western nations, like the USA and all of the EU, you don't have to be a citizen or of a particular religion to own land. modern International law has nothing to do with it.

In Israel non-Jews are prevented from leasing most of the available land. They have access only to privately owned land, about 7% of the total.

Israel is the only country claiming to be a democratic, advanced-economy country where state or quasi-state agencies own the vast majority of the land area. An estimated 93 percent of the country’s total land area (excluding the occupied areas of the West Bank and Gaza) is owned by the state or by quasi-state agencies. Non-Jews are not entitled to lease Jewish National Fund land and the Jewish National Fund owns the land in concert with the state. This state-owned land can only be leased anyway, it is never sold.

"While there is no legislative mandate prescribing the objectives the ILA must advance, these have been established through judicial precedent. A seminal ruling dictating these objectives can be found in the Israel Supreme Court case of Adal Ka’adan v. the Israel Land Administration:

“…The objectives that comprise the core authority of the Israel Land Administration are the continuation of State control of Israeli Land and the perpetuation of the administration and development of land in Israel under the concentration of a singular government entity. This is to prevent the transfer of ownership to non-favorable entities, to advance security issues and to authorize the operation of different national projects – such as: the absorption of new immigrants, the proper distribution of the population and agricultural settlement…”

"In principle, land that is owned by the Jewish National Fund can be leased to Jews only. The implication is that foreigners, as well as Israeli citizens and/or residents who are not Jewish, are not entitled to lease this land."

Non-Jews are considered "non-favorable entities"

Types of land in Israel - Buy Property In Israel

Recent law changes in the UK means that foreign land investors now have to pay taxes on unoccupied property and land. This was brought about by greedy muslims buying up large areas of inner cities and letting them stand empty and untaxed. Now they need to pay taxes on the property/land, taxes on the sale and taxes when they buy. At the going rate of 40% of current value they are losing a lot of money, and it is bringing prices back down.


You will find that France has similar laws to Israel in regards to land ownership, with local laws stopping the sale in many cases.

 

[toastman]

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Which is why they refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State. If the Arabs had won the 67 War do you think the Pro Palestinian Kool Aid Drinkers would be screaming about " occupation?" Ask why Israel should give In to all demands and there will be no response.

Well it wouldn't be occupation would it. The Muslims and Christians were the inhabitants, how could they "occupy" their own land? The European colonists came from another continent and occupied the land.

The reason that the Christians and Muslims should not be living under Jewish rule is because they were the people that were living there before the Europeans colonized the place.

They didn't occupy anything. They declared a state using resolution 181, the SAME WAY the Palestinians declared independence in 1988. There was no state/sovereign territory to occupy.
Has Tinmore contaminated your mind ?

 

[Daniyel]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

if only.

 

[montelatici]

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Which is why they refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State. If the Arabs had won the 67 War do you think the Pro Palestinian Kool Aid Drinkers would be screaming about " occupation?" Ask why Israel should give In to all demands and there will be no response.

Well it wouldn't be occupation would it. The Muslims and Christians were the inhabitants, how could they "occupy" their own land? The European colonists came from another continent and occupied the land.

The reason that the Christians and Muslims should not be living under Jewish rule is because they were the people that were living there before the Europeans colonized the place.

They didn't occupy anything. They declared a state using resolution 181, the SAME WAY the Palestinians declared independence in 1988. There was no state/sovereign territory to occupy.
Has Tinmore contaminated your mind ?

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[Penelope]

The Zionist on this thread don't seem to care about history or human rights. The real quest. is why doesn't Israel show a hand of peace, seem they love to keep people under their control, I mean what would Israel do if they didn't have any enemies. They can't stand boredom, they need to exercise that "fighting spirit" that Bibi says that Jews have.

Every country you have went in , Jews , you have tried to control, Hitler would not have it, Stalin neither , funny he used Jews to kill other Jews.

Knocking , knocking , is anyone home??

 

[Phoenall]

The Zionist on this thread don't seem to care about history or human rights. The real quest. is why doesn't Israel show a hand of peace, seem they love to keep people under their control, I mean what would Israel do if they didn't have any enemies. They can't stand boredom, they need to exercise that "fighting spirit" that Bibi says that Jews have.

Every country you have went in , Jews , you have tried to control, Hitler would not have it, Stalin neither , funny he used Jews to kill other Jews.

Knocking , knocking , is anyone home??

Guess not where you are concerned as it is the muslims that are trying to take over in every country they infest. That is why there is so much killing and violence around the world. I see 12 muslims have been arrested by Tunisia in connection with the massacre on the beach. Not a Jew or Zionist in sight either just pro Palestinian mass murderers

 

[theliq]

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Which is why they refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State. If the Arabs had won the 67 War do you think the Pro Palestinian Kool Aid Drinkers would be screaming about " occupation?" Ask why Israel should give In to all demands and there will be no response.

Well it wouldn't be occupation would it. The Muslims and Christians were the inhabitants, how could they "occupy" their own land? The European colonists came from another continent and occupied the land.

The reason that the Christians and Muslims should not be living under Jewish rule is because they were the people that were living there before the Europeans colonized the place.

Monti IS FAR TOO SMART FOR YA>>>>>PROUDVET

 

[theliq]

The Zionist on this thread don't seem to care about history or human rights. The real quest. is why doesn't Israel show a hand of peace, seem they love to keep people under their control, I mean what would Israel do if they didn't have any enemies. They can't stand boredom, they need to exercise that "fighting spirit" that Bibi says that Jews have.

Every country you have went in , Jews , you have tried to control, Hitler would not have it, Stalin neither , funny he used Jews to kill other Jews.

Knocking , knocking , is anyone home??

Guess not where you are concerned as it is the muslims that are trying to take over in every country they infest. That is why there is so much killing and violence around the world. I see 12 muslims have been arrested by Tunisia in connection with the massacre on the beach. Not a Jew or Zionist in sight either just pro Palestinian mass murderers

Zionists today by nature are a "Pack of Infesting(your word) COWARDS.....as we all know.....ZIONISTS = DEALERS OF DEATH

 

[theliq]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

 

[theliq]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

Teddy,I think you are over reacting regarding Pen,Monti and Tinnie.....and a little rude(and I know a lot about RUDE at times LOL).....no one should be written off so carelessly (as you put it) because everyone has many good things to say ...on both sides of this schism ..at times.I think most on here are pretty pragmatic,I personally know that Palestine can never get all their land back to the 1948 borders....It is just a fact of life...but there can be a just and fair settlement.....I really do not believe that Palestinians want or believe Israel/Jews to be pushed back into the sea..some may but I could say more Israelis/Zionists in particular would wish to do this to the Palestinians,and as you are an objective person you would agree with me,I believe.

If what you say became reality and Palestine were allowed to be left alone they would create a wealthy Country.......As they are a highly educated,creative and productive people....you would understand this as Israeli forward thinking companies employ the brightest Palestinians,moreover Palestinians,Engineers,Accountants,etc., are employed throughout the Gulf,Kuwait,Saudi,Dubai etc.,they are also at Universities throught the Western World,including the United States.

If Israel want a two state solution it is there to be had,all the Jews fears would be resolved in time,both side have to compromise to a lesser or greater degree..........................

 

[Daniyel]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

Teddy,I think you are over reacting regarding Pen,Monti and Tinnie.....and a little rude(and I know a lot about RUDE at times LOL).....no one should be written off so carelessly (as you put it) because everyone has many good things to say ...on both sides of this schism ..at times.I think most on here are pretty pragmatic,I personally know that Palestine can never get all their land back to the 1948 borders....It is just a fact of life...but there can be a just and fair settlement.....I really do not believe that Palestinians want or believe Israel/Jews to be pushed back into the sea..some may but I could say more Israelis/Zionists in particular would wish to do this to the Palestinians,and as you are an objective person you would agree with me,I believe.

If what you say became reality and Palestine were allowed to be left alone they would create a wealthy Country.......As they are a highly educated,creative and productive people....you would understand this as Israeli forward thinking companies employ the brightest Palestinians,moreover Palestinians,Engineers,Accountants,etc., are employed throughout the Gulf,Kuwait,Saudi,Dubai etc.,they are also at Universities throught the Western World,including the United States.

If Israel want a two state solution it is there to be had,all the Jews fears would be resolved in time,both side have to compromise to a lesser or greater degree..........................

Because of the very demanding last paragraph of your post I had the idea of making this thread in the first place which leads us to the question of why not starting with Gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

The Zionist on this thread don't seem to care about history or human rights. The real quest. is why doesn't Israel show a hand of peace, seem they love to keep people under their control, I mean what would Israel do if they didn't have any enemies. They can't stand boredom, they need to exercise that "fighting spirit" that Bibi says that Jews have.

Every country you have went in , Jews , you have tried to control, Hitler would not have it, Stalin neither , funny he used Jews to kill other Jews.

Knocking , knocking , is anyone home??

Guess not where you are concerned as it is the muslims that are trying to take over in every country they infest. That is why there is so much killing and violence around the world. I see 12 muslims have been arrested by Tunisia in connection with the massacre on the beach. Not a Jew or Zionist in sight either just pro Palestinian mass murderers

Zionists today by nature are a "Pack of Infesting(your word) COWARDS.....as we all know.....ZIONISTS = DEALERS OF DEATH

How many people have Zionists killed in the last century then licko, then look at the numbers killed by muslims. You will find it is in the region of about 10 billion to 1 against the muslims

 

[Phoenall]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

Teddy,I think you are over reacting regarding Pen,Monti and Tinnie.....and a little rude(and I know a lot about RUDE at times LOL).....no one should be written off so carelessly (as you put it) because everyone has many good things to say ...on both sides of this schism ..at times.I think most on here are pretty pragmatic,I personally know that Palestine can never get all their land back to the 1948 borders....It is just a fact of life...but there can be a just and fair settlement.....I really do not believe that Palestinians want or believe Israel/Jews to be pushed back into the sea..some may but I could say more Israelis/Zionists in particular would wish to do this to the Palestinians,and as you are an objective person you would agree with me,I believe.

If what you say became reality and Palestine were allowed to be left alone they would create a wealthy Country.......As they are a highly educated,creative and productive people....you would understand this as Israeli forward thinking companies employ the brightest Palestinians,moreover Palestinians,Engineers,Accountants,etc., are employed throughout the Gulf,Kuwait,Saudi,Dubai etc.,they are also at Universities throught the Western World,including the United States.

If Israel want a two state solution it is there to be had,all the Jews fears would be resolved in time,both side have to compromise to a lesser or greater degree..........................

Who is stopping the Palestinians from doing this as they have already declared a state, could it be the loss of all the aid from the UN ?

 

[Phoenall]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

Teddy,I think you are over reacting regarding Pen,Monti and Tinnie.....and a little rude(and I know a lot about RUDE at times LOL).....no one should be written off so carelessly (as you put it) because everyone has many good things to say ...on both sides of this schism ..at times.I think most on here are pretty pragmatic,I personally know that Palestine can never get all their land back to the 1948 borders....It is just a fact of life...but there can be a just and fair settlement.....I really do not believe that Palestinians want or believe Israel/Jews to be pushed back into the sea..some may but I could say more Israelis/Zionists in particular would wish to do this to the Palestinians,and as you are an objective person you would agree with me,I believe.

If what you say became reality and Palestine were allowed to be left alone they would create a wealthy Country.......As they are a highly educated,creative and productive people....you would understand this as Israeli forward thinking companies employ the brightest Palestinians,moreover Palestinians,Engineers,Accountants,etc., are employed throughout the Gulf,Kuwait,Saudi,Dubai etc.,they are also at Universities throught the Western World,including the United States.

If Israel want a two state solution it is there to be had,all the Jews fears would be resolved in time,both side have to compromise to a lesser or greater degree..........................

Because of the very demanding last paragraph of your post I had the idea of making this thread in the first place which leads us to the question of why not starting with Gaza.

That alone would result in the world saving $ billions every year on UNWRA

 

[proudveteran06]

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Indeed, they consistently say that they will not recognize the occupation.

So it's pointless to negotiate nor stopping the blockade?

Ask any Pro Palestinian what the Palestinians are doing to ""negotiate" " and there is no response

 

[P F Tinmore]

- Just some food for thought -​

Hamas Currently rule Gaza, why are they not declaring Gaza an independent state of Palestine?

Obviously they could annex the WB with the Fatah(PA) later on, despite the previous attempt for uniting with Fatah.

What stops them from declaring independence?

Thank you Daniyel for a very good thread. But as usual, you have the very illiterate Penelope talking about 'boarders', this time. Her command of the English language pails in cumparisun to you'res (misspelling and grammatical errors on purpose). Then you have had Monti who always chimes in with either an "Aparthied" response or in this case his usual "European invasion" response. He fails to recognize any Israeli connection to the land at all.

Those two are easily written off as the idiots they are. The real snake in the grass is PFTinmore who attempts to imply he wants a two state solution, but when you really investigate his 'knowledge' and narrative, he is just like the rest. When he talks about the 'occupation' he is talking about the whole of Israel. Make no mistake. He also wants the Israelis pushed into the sea and does not want any realistic peace at all.

But back to me applauding your thread, I have asked the same thing in many threads. And in this case I see no reason at all why Hamas should not right now declare in Gaza an independent Palestinian country with nothing but peaceful intentions. If they did it today, I am sure that once they verified their peaceful intentions, the borders and perhaps very very very soon the sea would become much more open to them. And they would flourish. Think about it. They could rebuild their airport. They have enough good people there to actually produce something to market in the world's economy.

If only . .. . . .

Teddy,I think you are over reacting regarding Pen,Monti and Tinnie.....and a little rude(and I know a lot about RUDE at times LOL).....no one should be written off so carelessly (as you put it) because everyone has many good things to say ...on both sides of this schism ..at times.I think most on here are pretty pragmatic,I personally know that Palestine can never get all their land back to the 1948 borders....It is just a fact of life...but there can be a just and fair settlement.....I really do not believe that Palestinians want or believe Israel/Jews to be pushed back into the sea..some may but I could say more Israelis/Zionists in particular would wish to do this to the Palestinians,and as you are an objective person you would agree with me,I believe.

If what you say became reality and Palestine were allowed to be left alone they would create a wealthy Country.......As they are a highly educated,creative and productive people....you would understand this as Israeli forward thinking companies employ the brightest Palestinians,moreover Palestinians,Engineers,Accountants,etc., are employed throughout the Gulf,Kuwait,Saudi,Dubai etc.,they are also at Universities throught the Western World,including the United States.

If Israel want a two state solution it is there to be had,all the Jews fears would be resolved in time,both side have to compromise to a lesser or greater degree..........................

Because of the very demanding last paragraph of your post I had the idea of making this thread in the first place which leads us to the question of why not starting with Gaza.

That alone would result in the world saving $ billions every year on UNWRA

Indeed, let those people go back home.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I believe it's because they never intend to recognize Israel, not at the current borders and not in any borders.

The current borders reflect to any other borders as well, how so?
If they do not wish to declare statehood starting off with Gaza (which clearly has a wider borders than its actual borders) and declaring independence could ease the process of future borders, in other words the borders are not the issue here - but the recognition in Israel that would be forced upon declaring statehood and borders - UNLESS - they never intend to recognize Israel which means they simply want it all.

Indeed, they consistently say that they will not recognize the occupation.

So it's pointless to negotiate nor stopping the blockade?

Ask any Pro Palestinian what the Palestinians are doing to ""negotiate" " and there is no response

The Palestinians don't have a partner for peace.