The Sons of Confederate Veterans in South Carolina Celebrate Secession - have "Ball"

[Sunni Man]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks[/ame]

 

[rdean]

Forgotten History: BLACK SLAVE OWNERS and BLACK CONFEDERATES

Few people consider that there were more free blacks in the Confederate States, than in the Union States at the start of the Civil War, (261,918 in the South/226,152 in the North). These are items that are often conveniently left out of history books and text books.

Thousands of free southern blacks fought on the side of the Confederate States. The evidence of such service is found in POW (Prisoner of War) records, gravestones, period photographs, pension documents, Official Records of the war, Congressional Testimony, and the Slave Narratives.

Large numbers of free southern Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large.

In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).


In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).


In Charleston, SC in 1860, 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings (5). In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners (6). In 1860 William Ellison was South Carolina's largest Negro slaveowner.


Interestingly, considering today's accounts of life under slavery, authors Johnson and Roak, (Black Masters. A Free Family of Color in the Old South) report instances where free Negroes petitioned to be allowed to become slaves; this because they were unable to support themselves.


Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia (University Press of Virginia-1995) was written by Ervin L. Jordan Jr., an African-American and assistant professor and associate curator of the Special Collections Department, University of Virginia library. He wrote: "One of the more curious aspects of the free black existence in Virginia was their ownership of slaves. Black slave masters owned members of their family and freed them in their wills. Free blacks were encouraged to sell themselves into slavery and had the right to choose their owner through a lengthy court procedure."

William Ellison, a black slave owner, was so successful, due to his utilization of cheap slave labor, that many white competitors went out of business. Such situations discredit impressions that whites dealt only with other whites. Where money was involved, it was apparent that neither Ellison's race or former status were considerations. In 1840 he owned 30 slaves, and by 1860 he owned 63. His sons, who lived in homes on the property, owned an additional nine slaves.

In the city of Charleston alone in 1861 the population of slaves reached up to almost 18,000. Up to 3,000 of these slaves were owned by black masters.


Black Slave owners such as Richard Dereef and his brother Joseph Dereef owned ten different plantations with numerous acres of land. These slave masters alone owned 1,000 slaves.


Over 65,000 free blacks joined the Confederate Army and Navy with 13,000 soldiers and 1,650 sailors actually being in combat against the North. Black historians Evrin Jordan and Edward Smith have published books on this.


There were monuments to Black Confederate veterans built, there were Black Confederate Veterans groups,and Black Confederate veterans received pensions. The first Civil War monument to black soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery was to black Confederates.

There are currently several groups of Black Confederate Civil War re-enactors active in southern states.

Some of the Confederate regiments with known black soldiers:
6thTennessee Cavalry
14thTennessee Infantry
40th Georgia Infantry
37th Texas Calvary
2ndKentucky Cavalry 2ndNorth Carolina Artillery
3rdNorth Carolina Artillery
13th Virginia Cavalry
18th Virginia Infantry
16th Virginia Infantry
13th Louisiana Infantry

Forgotten History: BLACK SLAVE OWNERS and BLACK CONFEDERATES

So you post from another forum and the point you want to make is, wait, what is the point you want to make?

Is it because there were some blacks who were slaveholders slavery was OK?

Why did so many slaves escape to the north if the south was so "great"?

And, worst of all, even today, many Christians approve of slavery because it's approved in the Bible:

Jesus talking to Timothy: Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Thanks God we have laws.

Historians and the extent of slave ownership in the Southern United States. By Otto H. Olsen :: Southern History :: Formerly known as Everyday in Tennessee

In accordance with the customary emphasis, historians often include all of the slave states in their statistical presentations. If o*ne is interested in the deterministic impact of slavery, however, it would appear more appropriate to consider o*nly the Confederate states, where fully 31 percent of the white families owned slaves in 1860. Thus every third white person in those states had a direct commitment to slavery and, barring occasional dissidents, had cause to be a supporter and propagandist for that system. This appears to be an amazingly large, rather than small base of support for any economic order, and the figures are more impressive when we consider the seven states of the lower South in the precise order of their secession from the Union: South Carolina with 48.7 percent of the white families owning slaves; Mississippi with 48 percent; Florida with 36 percent; Alabama with 35.1 percent; Georgia with 38 percent; Louisiana with 32.2 percent; and Texas with 28.5 percent.

Oops, suddenly an entirely different story is being written.

Is Sunni Man suggesting that southern blacks "miss" slavery?

 

[rdean]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks

So how come no one asked him if his family were "slave owners"?

 

[Sunni Man]

I am just posting "real" history rdean.

Not the PC nonsense that the liberal left insists we must believe.

 

[Sunni Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks

So how come no one asked him if his family were "slave owners"?

Good point rdean.

You should ask him that question.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Do you really think they are democrats?

Yeah, I would guess many of them are actually given that in order to be a member of Sons of Confederate Veterans you have to be a descendant of a Confederate veteran, who were all Democrats.

Of course, I don't see why anyone's political affiliation even matters since the gathering has nothing to do with modern day politics whatsoever, but rather American history and heritage of the people whose families have been here for generations.

 

[California Girl]

Nope, you're a Democrat. Clearly you didn't get the memo.

Nooooooooooo!!!!

I don't want to be one of those people!!!

Cause I got a brain.....really I do!!!

There is a very painless procedure where you will be assimilated into the borg that is today's Democrat Party. After which, you will have no brain and all your opinions will be provided via the HuffPuff and MediaMatters. It's great, saves you having to think about stuff.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ah, and one can be so intelligent reading and listening to the likes of Limpbaugh and Coulter.

 

[rdean]

Nope, you're a Democrat. Clearly you didn't get the memo.

Nooooooooooo!!!!

I don't want to be one of those people!!!

Cause I got a brain.....really I do!!!

There is a very painless procedure where you will be assimilated into the borg that is today's Democrat Party. After which, you will have no brain and all your opinions will be provided via the HuffPuff and MediaMatters. It's great, saves you having to think about stuff.

So you see slavery as a "good" thing? Or you just like the "decorative" flag?

 

[editec]

So the CSA just loved their good Blacks, eh?

Is that the story?

Some of you guys will believe anything, won't you?