The Social Security Conundrum

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    There never.....NEVER.....was any requirement for eating garbage.

    This is simply the sort of lie that you Leftists.....FDR boot-lickers......offer in place of truth.

    I repeat: there was never any starvation in America.




    Prior to Franklin Roosevelt, welfare was handled by charities and churches, carefully considering who got the relief, and the reasons for same.


    Under FDR, welfare and charity became a patronage endeavor, to get votes rather than to ease suffering.


    The Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) doled out relief nationally to those states with the best political connections. The Emergency Relief and Construction Act of 1932 began with the best of intentions...but under the Democrats it went to well-connected friends, including mayors and governors.


    Illinois, a swing state, got $55,443,721, which was almost 20% of the RFC's $300 million, more than NY, California, and Texas combined.
    Murray Rothbard, "America's Great Depression," p.262-263.
     
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    More than 2/3 of the people receiving (other forms of) welfare rely on it as their sole source of income. Is this cause or effect?

    The ONLY way to responsibly address these out of control "entitlement" programs is to suspend cost of living adjustments in any year that the federal budget is not balanced. (A Constitutional Amendment would probably be required to enforce this.)

    A side benefit of this approach would be to promote a consensus about balancing the budget because everyone would benefit.
     
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    True,there was no requirement for people to eat garbage But plenty of half eaten rolls and other food were salvaged and eaten.
    RFC was Hoover's baby. RFC loaned to businesses to buy more products that already sat on the shelves and couldn't be sold.
    In the schools instead of shooting people like today the search was for someone with a lunch from home and there were some rules went with the lunch. If a student could get close to a student with a bagged lunch and yelled cobs or bites, the owner by our laws had to give the cobbee some of the lunch. If the owner saw the threat he by our laws could yell no cobs or no bites.
     
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    1. I fully understand the predicament you're in....
    If you didn't believe the nonsense you post in defense of the dictator-wannabe, FDR, you wouldn't be able to maintain the worldview you've been indoctrinated with.

    Sad, but at your advanced age, understandable.

    But....like Mighty Mouse, I'm here to save the day!


    And the facts....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."



    2. For the educated, it is often difficult to fathom why FDR retains his vaunted position in the political firmament, after all, he.....
    a. extended the Hoover Recession into the Great Depression
    b. ended the guidance of the Constitution in America
    c. destroyed the independence of the Supreme Court
    d. extended the length of WWII, at great cost of blood and treasure
    e. made certain that communism and Joseph Stalin survived the war, and found a home in America.

    f. And...used the pretense of charity to accrue political support.

    Quite a turning point in America's history.
     
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    "....loaned to businesses to buy more products that already sat on the shelves and couldn't be sold."

    Rather than to the Americans who needed same, FDR sent these materials to his brother-from-another-mother, Joseph Stalin....

    "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, and put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
    George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.



    Of course, there was never any chance of a Russian collapse, nor of a German victory.


    An interesting passage from Larsson's best seller, "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo:"

    “In the early hours of June 22 in 1941, Lobach knocked on the door of my bedroom. My room was next to his wife’s bedroom, and he signalled me to be quiet, get dressed, and come with him. We went downstairs and sat in the smoking salon. Lobach had been up all night. He had the radio on, and I realised that something serious had happened. Operation Barbarossa had begun. Germany had invaded the Soviet Union on Midsummer Eve.” Vanger gestured in resignation. “Lobach took out two glasses and poured a generous aquavit for each of us. He was obviously shaken. When I asked him what it all meant, he replied with foresight that it meant the end for Germany and Nazism. I only half believed him—Hitler seemed undefeatable, after all—but Lobach and I drank a toast to the fall of Germany. Then he turned his attention to practical matters.”
    Stieg Larsson, “The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo,” p. 199


    Soooo......why defend Stalin and Soviet Communism down to the last drop of American blood???
     
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    And what is the point of your tattoo bit? In fact, what is the point of most of your posts? What is it, that you are trying to say? Is your goal to make FDR a bad president or what? If so, that goal has been settled some years ago, and in FDR's favor.
     
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    The point is

    a. to reveal the sham that was Franklin Roosevelt

    and

    b. to reveal what a dunce you are.


    I believe both aims have been accomplished.
     
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    Do you think you are going to change the evaluation of the people that voted four times for FDR or the historians that have rated presidents since 1948? But maybe you're right, one had to live through the Great Depression and WWII to understand what went on. But then again there are the historian's history books you can't seem to find.
     
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    "Do you think you are going to change the evaluation of the people that voted four times for FDR or the historians ..."


    That's not my mission.

    My aim is simply to provide the facts, and make it clear that fools.....you.....have no way to refute them, yet stick to the dogma you've been brought up on.


    Nor am I the only one.....

    ".....the New Deal can be seen as a series of economic misadventures achieved through the force of mass propaganda, and owing its success solely to America’s victory in WWII.
    1. In an insightful analysis, John A. Garraty compared Roosevelt’s New Deal with aspects of the Third Reich: a strong leader; an ideology stressing the nation, the people and the land; state control of economic and social affairs; and the quality and quantity of government propaganda. Garraty, “The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,” American Historical Review, vol. 78 (1973) p. 907ff.

    1. Garraty reminds that to compare is not the same as to equate. Yet, many still find Garraty’s analysis too hot to handle. But.....the truth comes out....and I am in the vanguard.
     

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