The single biggest problem with Obamacare.

[Brutus]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

 

[RDD_1210]

Free enterprise has left 30+ million plus people without the ability to purchase adequate health insurance. Being American doesn't mean being able to make a buck no matter what the cost, but you can feel free to believe that.

 

[Polk]

Last time I checked, the exchange is a market...

 

[Toronado3800]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

Calm down. The old socialist system of Nixon, Kennedy and Eisenhower let me show up at the hospital anytime and receive treatment on your dime if I got shot no matter how unable to pay I was.

At least a good honest system which demands folks pay into insurance their whole working lives will make freeloaders pay for SOMETHING.

There is a point of being a realist. Under the old system if I was poor, never had insurance, and catch cancer from the nuclear power plant the local hospital and do any level of paperwork, they will give me treatment on YOUR DIME! Just because the socialists in the 50's 60's and 70's decided hospitals must treat everyone.

The alternative is letting capitalism rule and allowing me to open a city of hospitals which will throw your broke butt out on the street the moment you can't pay any longer.

 

[syrenn]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

The biggest problem with obamacare is that it IS obamacare.

 

[JBeukema]

There's a real discussion to be had here about the flaws with the proposal. Shame the OP just wants to troll.

 

[The Infidel]

its UNconstitutionl

 

[JBeukema]

its UNconstitutionl

that' debatable

it's also not the issue

I oppose the mandate on ethical/moral grounds

 

[The Infidel]

its UNconstitutionl

that' debatable

it's also not the issue

I oppose the mandate on ethical/moral grounds

No... its been found unconstitutional by two federal judges. That means this administration is supposed to stop implementing it till it goes to the SCOTUS. So, OK.... its not final.

As for it not being the issue.... wrong. the OP asked "The single biggest problem with Obamacare."

So I gave my opinion....

 

[Toronado3800]

It could be unconstitutional. Just like it may be unconstitutional for the President to in effect declare war, to force Colorado to let that river flow into virtually uninhabitable Arizona, to force my hospitals not to allow you to die in peace(Oregon!) or to force my city of hospitals to treat folks who can't pay.

Regardless, doctors were more trouble than benefit in the time of Benjamin Franklin. Heck, I'm not sure if I wouldn't have wanted to be treated in the time of the Romans. Our founding fathers did not see the problem of healthcare costs breaking the average American.

 

[The Infidel]

It could be unconstitutional. Just like it may be unconstitutional for the President to in effect declare war, to force Colorado to let that river flow into virtually uninhabitable Arizona, to force my hospitals not to allow you to die in peace(Oregon!) or to force my city of hospitals to treat folks who can't pay.

Regardless, doctors were more trouble than benefit in the time of Benjamin Franklin. Heck, I'm not sure if I wouldn't have wanted to be treated in the time of the Romans. Our founding fathers did not see the problem of healthcare costs breaking the average American.

 

[Toronado3800]

No... its been found unconstitutional by two federal judges. That means this administration is supposed to stop implementing it till it goes to the SCOTUS. So, OK.... its not final.

As for it not being the issue.... wrong. the OP asked "The single biggest problem with Obamacare."

So I gave my opinion....

Let me restate. Unless you want a Constitutional amendment to allow the president to tell the military to bomb Tripoli it is pretty lame to demand one in this case. Both are for the general welfare.

I do agree though, it takes a pretty open Constitutional interpretation to allow either Ronald Wilson Reagan to tell the New Jersey to shell Beruit, us to declare "Police Action" or whatever recently, or Obamacare to slide through.

Still I think we should all go out and vote for an Obamacare ammendment

 

[Toronado3800]

Make more sense now?

 

[JBeukema]

its UNconstitutionl

that' debatable

it's also not the issue

I oppose the mandate on ethical/moral grounds

No... its been found unconstitutional by two federal judges.

A dozen others had no problem with it

As for it not being the issue.... wrong. the OP asked "The single biggest problem with Obamacare."

So I gave my opinion....

What of the slavery and abolition?

 

[The Infidel]

that' debatable

it's also not the issue

No... its been found unconstitutional by two federal judges.

A dozen others had no problem with it

As for it not being the issue.... wrong. the OP asked "The single biggest problem with Obamacare."

So I gave my opinion....

What of the slavery and abolition?

(plus, both were corrected)

 

[JBeukema]

abolition was corrected? what?

 

[The Infidel]

Nahh... Im not following you down the rabbit hole.

Later

 

[Toronado3800]

Nahh... Im not following you down the rabbit hole.

Later

I am not sure I follow....Are you saying you oppose the National Healthcare Plan because it is unconstitutional? But otherwise you would support it?

Seems like demanding an amendment to correct an issue the founding fathers could not have seen coming. With any luck we will get that amendment.

 

[auditor0007]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

While this may be true, what we had before "Obamacare" certainly did not rely on "free enterprise". If you believe it did, you are sadly mistaken. There is very little in our healthcare system that even remotely resembles "free enterprise". Beyond this though, is a very simple fact. Healthcare is not a product that can or should be considered a luxury. It is a necessity, and with that, making it available to as many as possible becomes a necessity. In the end, everyone does receive some kind of healthcare regardless of whether they can pay or not. The problem is that the cost is passed on to everyone who can pay, one way or another, and that way currently is extremely inefficient.

 

[syrenn]

It is a fiscally unsustainable system, just like the one we have now that is crashing. So long as there are exemptions for anyone paying, it will never work. So long as the "rich" and "middle class" carry, pay for, and support the "poor" it will go bankrupt.