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Now it's Bolton and Giuliani......Supposedly Giuliani was being watched by Bolton....LOL!!! So....Giuliani, at the behest of the President of the United States, went to Ukraine and Bolton was stalking him!! Oh Boy!!! Who the FUCK does Jerry think he's fooling?
Let's say that's true, how could Stalinist democrats credibility charge Trump with a "crime"!?
They're saying even though all the evidence points to a non-crime they're going to charge the President based upon their worst case impression of what we think happened! And they want Trump to "prove his innocence" He can't prove his innocence if all the Stalinist democrats need is "we think he did it"
Throw out the impeachment
Defeat Stalinists democrats so they are never a force in American politics ever again
The Democrats should walk out of the Senate and say they are not wasting their time on a sham trial.
Only democrats are intelligent, the republicans impeached a man who lied for having an affair and tramp is a serial adulterer.
Start another impeachment in the House, he can be a double impeached Potus.
Tell me again the vote total to impeach?I don't say thing because Trump is guilty or innocent. I say this because of one man who controls all of the Republican Senators. So far, all votes have been 53 to 47. Every one of them. McConnel has gotten the vote to table everything the House has tried to introduce into the Hearing by a pure Party Vote. Let's save time. Instead of going through the arguments and the vote and even the 5 to 30 minute breaks, just have McConnel stand up and say, "No" and it's defeated. It would, save a ton of time and shorten this thing up dramatically. The forgone conclusion won't change.
NO witnesses, no changes to his personal rules. Just say no and be done with it. That way, with the vote of 53 to 47, they can be done in less than an hour and all go home. He's running things just like he runs the Senate on a day to day basis. What's sad is, ALL the republican Senators are blindly following. It appears that we need to impeach the Senate in November and start all over again.
I don't say thing because Trump is guilty or innocent. I say this because of one man who controls all of the Republican Senators. So far, all votes have been 53 to 47. Every one of them. McConnel has gotten the vote to table everything the House has tried to introduce into the Hearing by a pure Party Vote. Let's save time. Instead of going through the arguments and the vote and even the 5 to 30 minute breaks, just have McConnel stand up and say, "No" and it's defeated. It would, save a ton of time and shorten this thing up dramatically. The forgone conclusion won't change.
NO witnesses, no changes to his personal rules. Just say no and be done with it. That way, with the vote of 53 to 47, they can be done in less than an hour and all go home. He's running things just like he runs the Senate on a day to day basis. What's sad is, ALL the republican Senators are blindly following. It appears that we need to impeach the Senate in November and start all over again.
I don't say thing because Trump is guilty or innocent. I say this because of one man who controls all of the Republican Senators. So far, all votes have been 53 to 47. Every one of them. McConnel has gotten the vote to table everything the House has tried to introduce into the Hearing by a pure Party Vote. Let's save time. Instead of going through the arguments and the vote and even the 5 to 30 minute breaks, just have McConnel stand up and say, "No" and it's defeated. It would, save a ton of time and shorten this thing up dramatically. The forgone conclusion won't change.NO witnesses, no changes to his personal rules. Just say no and be done with it. That way, with the vote of 53 to 47, they can be done in less than an hour and all go home.
Talk about myopia, geez...this is on schumer [did he cry again today?] all he has to do is present all the motions at once and submit them for a vote...I'm gonna chalk your post up to "tired of losing"
He's running things just like he runs the Senate on a day to day basis. What's sad is, ALL the republican Senators are blindly following. It appears that we need to impeach the Senate in November and start all over again.
And what is it you see from the liberals?...did you actually believe this was a real impeachment and not political payback for 2016/hillary?...now your gonna throw the senate out? lol...ok
It does show just how sick the Reps have gotten. Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high. And Moscow Mitch is just passing on the orders from his boss, the orange one.
Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high.
Just like Dems do for Shady Schumer.
I don't say thing because Trump is guilty or innocent. I say this because of one man who controls all of the Republican Senators. So far, all votes have been 53 to 47. Every one of them. McConnel has gotten the vote to table everything the House has tried to introduce into the Hearing by a pure Party Vote. Let's save time. Instead of going through the arguments and the vote and even the 5 to 30 minute breaks, just have McConnel stand up and say, "No" and it's defeated. It would, save a ton of time and shorten this thing up dramatically. The forgone conclusion won't change.
NO witnesses, no changes to his personal rules. Just say no and be done with it. That way, with the vote of 53 to 47, they can be done in less than an hour and all go home. He's running things just like he runs the Senate on a day to day basis. What's sad is, ALL the republican Senators are blindly following. It appears that we need to impeach the Senate in November and start all over again.
I think you are misreading what's happening.
Sure, the Republicans stuck together, denying any and all motions to collect evidence. That in and of itself is instructive. Moreover, you will find the House Managers did a good job detailing Trump's corruption, justifying their request for documents or witness testimonies. On the other hand, you had Trump's goons with very little to offer other than rightarded talking points right out of the Fox / Breitbart / GatewayPundit playbook. In more than just a few instances, they lied during what is supposed to be a "trial".
So, Democrats educate the electorate. Republicans expose themselves as mendacious accomplices in Trump's cover-up. Don't you think the electorate deserves to know what they are dealing with? It's been said before, but I'll say it again: It's not just Trump, it's also the Senate on trial. How they handle impeachment is indicative of how they are prepared to fight for a democratic Republic governed by laws, not men, how they are willing to stand up not just for Congress's own funding prerogative, but also as a Constitutional check on the Executive. Up to now, as far as I've seen the proceedings, the verdict promises to be devastating.
Actually, we said much the same thing. You just said it much more eloquent.
I don't say thing because Trump is guilty or innocent. I say this because of one man who controls all of the Republican Senators. So far, all votes have been 53 to 47. Every one of them. McConnel has gotten the vote to table everything the House has tried to introduce into the Hearing by a pure Party Vote. Let's save time. Instead of going through the arguments and the vote and even the 5 to 30 minute breaks, just have McConnel stand up and say, "No" and it's defeated. It would, save a ton of time and shorten this thing up dramatically. The forgone conclusion won't change.NO witnesses, no changes to his personal rules. Just say no and be done with it. That way, with the vote of 53 to 47, they can be done in less than an hour and all go home.
Talk about myopia, geez...this is on schumer [did he cry again today?] all he has to do is present all the motions at once and submit them for a vote...I'm gonna chalk your post up to "tired of losing"
He's running things just like he runs the Senate on a day to day basis. What's sad is, ALL the republican Senators are blindly following. It appears that we need to impeach the Senate in November and start all over again.
And what is it you see from the liberals?...did you actually believe this was a real impeachment and not political payback for 2016/hillary?...now your gonna throw the senate out? lol...ok
It does show just how sick the Reps have gotten. Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high. And Moscow Mitch is just passing on the orders from his boss, the orange one.
Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high.
Just like Dems do for Shady Schumer.
In case you haven't noticed, there are 7 Dems recently elected (2018) that don't vote lock step. It must drive Nancy nutz. The Dem Moderates all voted with the Reps in the House on the Impeachment. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
in the House
Was over before it started. Nobody thought he would be removed even though the basic accusation is known to be true.It is purely a political process. The impeachment was purely political. The trial is purely political. The democrats will try to damage a Trump politically while the Republicans defend him. At the end, the Republicans will decide if the democrats damaged the president so much that they have to remove him.
I don't say thing because Trump is guilty or innocent. I say this because of one man who controls all of the Republican Senators. So far, all votes have been 53 to 47. Every one of them. McConnel has gotten the vote to table everything the House has tried to introduce into the Hearing by a pure Party Vote. Let's save time. Instead of going through the arguments and the vote and even the 5 to 30 minute breaks, just have McConnel stand up and say, "No" and it's defeated. It would, save a ton of time and shorten this thing up dramatically. The forgone conclusion won't change.NO witnesses, no changes to his personal rules. Just say no and be done with it. That way, with the vote of 53 to 47, they can be done in less than an hour and all go home.
Talk about myopia, geez...this is on schumer [did he cry again today?] all he has to do is present all the motions at once and submit them for a vote...I'm gonna chalk your post up to "tired of losing"
He's running things just like he runs the Senate on a day to day basis. What's sad is, ALL the republican Senators are blindly following. It appears that we need to impeach the Senate in November and start all over again.
And what is it you see from the liberals?...did you actually believe this was a real impeachment and not political payback for 2016/hillary?...now your gonna throw the senate out? lol...ok
It does show just how sick the Reps have gotten. Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high. And Moscow Mitch is just passing on the orders from his boss, the orange one.
Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high.
Just like Dems do for Shady Schumer.
In case you haven't noticed, there are 7 Dems recently elected (2018) that don't vote lock step. It must drive Nancy nutz. The Dem Moderates all voted with the Reps in the House on the Impeachment. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
in the House
How many on the Judiciary and Intelligence committees voted against Nadler and Schiff?
didn't back them on every vote?
How many have not voted in lockstep for yesterdays amendments?
Talk about myopia, geez...this is on schumer [did he cry again today?] all he has to do is present all the motions at once and submit them for a vote...I'm gonna chalk your post up to "tired of losing"
And what is it you see from the liberals?...did you actually believe this was a real impeachment and not political payback for 2016/hillary?...now your gonna throw the senate out? lol...ok
It does show just how sick the Reps have gotten. Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high. And Moscow Mitch is just passing on the orders from his boss, the orange one.
Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high.
Just like Dems do for Shady Schumer.
In case you haven't noticed, there are 7 Dems recently elected (2018) that don't vote lock step. It must drive Nancy nutz. The Dem Moderates all voted with the Reps in the House on the Impeachment. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
in the House
How many on the Judiciary and Intelligence committees voted against Nadler and Schiff?
didn't back them on every vote?
How many have not voted in lockstep for yesterdays amendments?
Usually, in this deep red area, the local journalists back the Republicans. Not today. The ones that are published in the various local news papers are not real happy with the Senate Republicans. Looks like the free ride is over. When the Local Republicans can no longer support the behavior then maybe you are a bit off the mark.
And don't give me that crap about "You hate America", "You are trying to overturn the Elections" and a few other stupid comments. One right wing editor noted that "Rump" is completely out of control on both items of Impeachment. I gave him a chance. But this time, I started calling him Rump because he's a real horses ass who believes he can do whatever he wants to do whether it's ethical, moral or legal. The fact that I love America means I can do no less. And I paid the price already and you know it. So no more "Commie", "Socialist", "Traitor" crap. And no more free rides. The normal locals are starting to notice no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
It does show just how sick the Reps have gotten. Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high. And Moscow Mitch is just passing on the orders from his boss, the orange one.
Moscow Mitch says jump and the rest just jump not even asking how high.
Just like Dems do for Shady Schumer.
In case you haven't noticed, there are 7 Dems recently elected (2018) that don't vote lock step. It must drive Nancy nutz. The Dem Moderates all voted with the Reps in the House on the Impeachment. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
in the House
How many on the Judiciary and Intelligence committees voted against Nadler and Schiff?
didn't back them on every vote?
How many have not voted in lockstep for yesterdays amendments?
Usually, in this deep red area, the local journalists back the Republicans. Not today. The ones that are published in the various local news papers are not real happy with the Senate Republicans. Looks like the free ride is over. When the Local Republicans can no longer support the behavior then maybe you are a bit off the mark.
And don't give me that crap about "You hate America", "You are trying to overturn the Elections" and a few other stupid comments. One right wing editor noted that "Rump" is completely out of control on both items of Impeachment. I gave him a chance. But this time, I started calling him Rump because he's a real horses ass who believes he can do whatever he wants to do whether it's ethical, moral or legal. The fact that I love America means I can do no less. And I paid the price already and you know it. So no more "Commie", "Socialist", "Traitor" crap. And no more free rides. The normal locals are starting to notice no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
Deity?
That's funny.
I didn't vote for Trump, I have no intention of voting for Trump.
Considering the candidates on the Left side of the aisle, when I go to the polls next month, I will vote for Gabbard, even if I have to write her in, and in November, I see no reason to vote for anyone running for president.
at best, I will vote against incumbent congresspersons.
Just like Dems do for Shady Schumer.
In case you haven't noticed, there are 7 Dems recently elected (2018) that don't vote lock step. It must drive Nancy nutz. The Dem Moderates all voted with the Reps in the House on the Impeachment. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
in the House
How many on the Judiciary and Intelligence committees voted against Nadler and Schiff?
didn't back them on every vote?
How many have not voted in lockstep for yesterdays amendments?
Usually, in this deep red area, the local journalists back the Republicans. Not today. The ones that are published in the various local news papers are not real happy with the Senate Republicans. Looks like the free ride is over. When the Local Republicans can no longer support the behavior then maybe you are a bit off the mark.
And don't give me that crap about "You hate America", "You are trying to overturn the Elections" and a few other stupid comments. One right wing editor noted that "Rump" is completely out of control on both items of Impeachment. I gave him a chance. But this time, I started calling him Rump because he's a real horses ass who believes he can do whatever he wants to do whether it's ethical, moral or legal. The fact that I love America means I can do no less. And I paid the price already and you know it. So no more "Commie", "Socialist", "Traitor" crap. And no more free rides. The normal locals are starting to notice no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
Deity?
That's funny.
I didn't vote for Trump, I have no intention of voting for Trump.
Considering the candidates on the Left side of the aisle, when I go to the polls next month, I will vote for Gabbard, even if I have to write her in, and in November, I see no reason to vote for anyone running for president.
at best, I will vote against incumbent congresspersons.
Yet you lock step with the Senate Republicans and find the charges wrong. As of this morning, things have changed and Moscow Mitch's plan has blown up in his face.
I'll say it again. I would support the Senate to vote that "Yes Rump is Guilty" but it's not serious enough to remove him from office. That would save their own careers but would flush Rump down the toilet. That I would support and respect. We don't need to be removing a President from Office. But we do need to send a clear message that he is to behave himself or the next time he goes off the rails he IS going to be removed.
And then the Republicans can reinstate the Republican National Convention to pick a new Candidate. I can think of a couple that would do a good job like Paul Ryan. He never cow towed to Rump.
Yet you lock step with the Senate Republicans and find the charges wrong.
In case you haven't noticed, there are 7 Dems recently elected (2018) that don't vote lock step. It must drive Nancy nutz. The Dem Moderates all voted with the Reps in the House on the Impeachment. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good fantasy.
in the House
How many on the Judiciary and Intelligence committees voted against Nadler and Schiff?
didn't back them on every vote?
How many have not voted in lockstep for yesterdays amendments?
Usually, in this deep red area, the local journalists back the Republicans. Not today. The ones that are published in the various local news papers are not real happy with the Senate Republicans. Looks like the free ride is over. When the Local Republicans can no longer support the behavior then maybe you are a bit off the mark.
And don't give me that crap about "You hate America", "You are trying to overturn the Elections" and a few other stupid comments. One right wing editor noted that "Rump" is completely out of control on both items of Impeachment. I gave him a chance. But this time, I started calling him Rump because he's a real horses ass who believes he can do whatever he wants to do whether it's ethical, moral or legal. The fact that I love America means I can do no less. And I paid the price already and you know it. So no more "Commie", "Socialist", "Traitor" crap. And no more free rides. The normal locals are starting to notice no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
no matter how much you either deny it or think your Rump Deity can do no wrong.
Deity?
That's funny.
I didn't vote for Trump, I have no intention of voting for Trump.
Considering the candidates on the Left side of the aisle, when I go to the polls next month, I will vote for Gabbard, even if I have to write her in, and in November, I see no reason to vote for anyone running for president.
at best, I will vote against incumbent congresspersons.
Yet you lock step with the Senate Republicans and find the charges wrong. As of this morning, things have changed and Moscow Mitch's plan has blown up in his face.
I'll say it again. I would support the Senate to vote that "Yes Rump is Guilty" but it's not serious enough to remove him from office. That would save their own careers but would flush Rump down the toilet. That I would support and respect. We don't need to be removing a President from Office. But we do need to send a clear message that he is to behave himself or the next time he goes off the rails he IS going to be removed.
And then the Republicans can reinstate the Republican National Convention to pick a new Candidate. I can think of a couple that would do a good job like Paul Ryan. He never cow towed to Rump.
Yet you lock step with the Senate Republicans and find the charges wrong.
Lockstep?
you make agreeing with the facts sound like goosestepping.
If it hadn't been for the whistleblower, non e of this would have been known.
how many times under Obama, ( or any previous president), did something like this happen, but there was no whistleblower to cast light on it?
I know you don't need to be reminded of Biden bragging about threatening to hold up funds til he got what he wanted.
Are we even sure there was a whistleblower?
I'll say it again. I would support the Senate to vote that "Yes Rump is Guilty" but it's not serious enough to remove him from office. That would save their own careers but would flush Rump down the toilet. That I would support and respect. We don't need to be removing a President from Office. But we do need to send a clear message that he is to behave himself or the next time he goes off the rails he IS going to be removed.
I'll say it again. I would support the Senate to vote that "Yes Rump is Guilty" but it's not serious enough to remove him from office. That would save their own careers but would flush Rump down the toilet. That I would support and respect. We don't need to be removing a President from Office. But we do need to send a clear message that he is to behave himself or the next time he goes off the rails he IS going to be removed.
Thanks for the explanation. Again, it leaves me puzzled.
How is not removing Trump from office flushing "Trump down the toilet"? Or sending "a clear message that he is to behave himself"?
Remember, on July 24, 2019, Mueller gave his presentation to Congress, outlining the criminal interference into the 2016 elections. The very next day - to repeat, the very next day - Trump was on the phone with Zelensky continuing to organize yet another interference into the next federal election.
Trump's response to Mueller was a solid GFY.
Trump's response to the impeachment inquiry was "China should also investigate..."
Trump's response to being impeached was a solid "GFY" throughout.
What do you think Trump's response to a message of acquittal by the Senate will be? What, actually, are the prospects of Trump behaving himself, given his past behavior?
If the Senate sends that message, Rump is toast in November and the Republicans will have to reinstate the National Republican Convention and choose a new Candidate because Rump will become Rump Roast
