The Selling Of A War. This Isn't American

[Psychoblues]

There is no question the selling of the war in Iraq within the American media is well documented. Now we learn that hundreds of millions of American dollars have been spent propagandizing within the country we supposedly entered expecting flowers, parades and everlasting love. Why would we need to spend a cent explaining our intentions to a people that we expected would greet us and defend us against the tyrants that have already been incarcerated and otherwise been tendered insignificant?

I smell politics for profit to the great expense of otherwise unsuspecting and undereducated and mostly underpaid Americans.

Don't you? Or, what do you think?

Psychoblues

P.S.
Don't insult me with your whining or name calling. You get it, just convince me so I can get it as well.

 

[Psychoblues]

Just as I thought. You discombobulated right wingers have nothing to say. This thread has laid here for hours and you simply have nothing to say.

Pitiful.

Psychoblues

 

[dilloduck]

Just as I thought. You discombobulated right wingers have nothing to say. This thread has laid here for hours and you simply have nothing to say.

Pitiful.

Psychoblues

develop some patience--it will help you with your inabiltity to understand the US war stategy too.

 

[dmp]

Just as I thought. You discombobulated right wingers have nothing to say. This thread has laid here for hours and you simply have nothing to say.

Pitiful.

Psychoblues

Ya know? You're pretty pathetic. Maybe it's just that nobody CARES if you get it or not? Mabye? Maybe it's just that EVERYONE who knows the 'truth' doesn't give two shits if YOUR mind is changed from the lies you buy into, or not.

(shrug).

 

[theim]

I honestly think this a waste of my time. Psycho obviously knows it's not the imprisoned tyrants who we are worried about. So that would make the entire post a worthless bit of deception.

And propagada? WHO CARES? Show me a war in which we DIDN'T use propaganda? The only one I can think of is Vietnam, when patriotism suddenly became verboten. That was also the war we lost, remember?

 

[theim]

Oh and give me at least 24 hours to respond to anything before claiming I'm avoiding it. I know it's hard to beleive, but I do have other and more productive things to do than argue with you.

 

[dmp]

I LOVE the avatar

 

[Avatar4321]

Im surprised anyone bothered responding. I mean the guy posts a message at 4am in the morning and then acts like everyone is afraid to respond to him since no one responded by 630am. Seriously, you act that disrespectful why the heck should I bother talking to you?

 

[insein]

There is no question the selling of the war in Iraq within the American media is well documented. Now we learn that hundreds of millions of American dollars have been spent propagandizing within the country we supposedly entered expecting flowers, parades and everlasting love. Why would we need to spend a cent explaining our intentions to a people that we expected would greet us and defend us against the tyrants that have already been incarcerated and otherwise been tendered insignificant?

I smell politics for profit to the great expense of otherwise unsuspecting and undereducated and mostly underpaid Americans.

Don't you? Or, what do you think?

Psychoblues

P.S.
Don't insult me with your whining or name calling. You get it, just convince me so I can get it as well.

For the record, most normal people are asleep from the hours of 4am-630am.

As for you comment, your treachery knows no bounds does it? The reporting of good news in Iraq to the iraqi people about the building of schools, the building of power plants, the building of water treatment and sewage facilities is considered propaganda to you yet the filth we see everyday about our president lieing without any evidence to support their claims on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, LAT, etc is all good journalism.

Sums up pretty well your objectives for this nation. Either you are actively working for the defeat and downfall of America or your just a useful idiot that buys into the whole "Bush lied" mantra that the communists and socialists put forth and hope sticks in the minds of morons such as yourself.

 

[Gem]

So far, there has been no evidence that any of the stories provided to the press was false.

Therefore, all this story is about is whether or not it is appropriate to try to get true positive stories about the good things that the coalition forces are accomplishing in Iraq and Afganistan into the newspapers that are circulating there...which, more often than not are filled with propaganda anyway...the only difference is...most of it is lies and distortions written specifically to make US troops look like murdering imperialist occupiers who should be killed.

Sorry...I have no problem with trying to combat the filthy lies that are showing up on Al-Jazeera and other news sources. Especially since, as someone else pointed out, propaganda has ALWAYS been a major aspect of EVERY war...the BIBLE demonstrates examples of propaganda for Christ's sake (pun intended)...

If paying a newspaper to print a true positive story about US troops helps the war effort and helps to save an actual human life, be it American OR Iraqi than more power to it.

The only thing I'm concerned about, truthfully...is how woefully pathetic our forces have gotten at being able to keep something secret.

Iraq is not the United States, psycho....they aren't quite at the point where you can make jokes about shooting the President of the United States on live radio and have nothing bad happen to you or create artwork displaying the religious icon of the vast majority of citizens in a bucket of urine and be proclaimed a famous artist rather than a dead man...

We are hopeful that one day they will embrace the concept of free speech and free press with the same zeal as we have...but right now it is a war zone...and the country is struggling to win that war against Islamic fundamentalists who, if successful, would probably ban free speech and expression altogether....a little perspective is in order in this situation...but you are too full of eagerness to bash Bush one more time to be able to handle that perspective.

 

[GotZoom]

I'm sorry. Did you say something?

 

[kurtsprincess]

Why would we need to spend a cent explaining our intentions to a people that we expected would greet us and defend us against the tyrants that have already been incarcerated and otherwise been tendered insignificant?

I guess it's the difference between whispering and shouting. Worldwide MSM is getting paid billions to propagandize their side of the war..........why shouldn't the other side get a little help?

It's not as if the reporters are being paid to "NOT" report the news.....they are just being paid to report the news that is not currently being reported by the news agencies. Postive news doesn't sell as well.....therefore we need to spend a little money to get the postive side published.

I'm OK with this. Doesn't threaten me or my place in society at all.

 

[Gunny]

Just as I thought. You discombobulated right wingers have nothing to say. This thread has laid here for hours and you simply have nothing to say.

Pitiful.

Psychoblues

Pitiful is YOU. Such lying drivel is unworthy of response.

 

[Hobbit]

Lemme get this straight. Psycho posted something at frickin' 4 am, when even I, one of the most stubborn of night owls, am asleep, then sat there for 2 1/2 hours waiting for somebody to respond, then declared victory? That is quite possibly both the funniest and saddest thing I have ever seen.

 

[Gunny]

Lemme get this straight. Psycho posted something at frickin' 4 am, when even I, one of the most stubborn of night owls, am asleep, then sat there for 2 1/2 hours waiting for somebody to respond, then declared victory? That is quite possibly both the funniest and saddest thing I have ever seen.

But it is SO him .......

 

[pegwinn]

Hey PB, howzit bud. Sorry I was snoozin prior to getting up and goin to work on this fine Saturday. Other wize I woulda jumped right up and hep'd y'all out. Obvously yer havvin a bit of a spot of trubble hangin in there. But, let not yur hart be trubbled. Help is on the way.......

Pick a war, any war. Just, unjust, big or little. C'mon C'mon pick one already.

Good, you picked WW2. Now, just look at all the coverage of WW2. From both sides. Are you going to tell me that our cause wasn't just? Yet we actually made a movie titled "Why we fight". I see you forgot that neh? Do you remember Herr Goebbels? He was the Capra of the Nazis.

Now, we live in a free country. Look it up. That means that Geraldo Rivera is free to publisize our troops positions. Of course if he'd have done that in my unit at that time, we'd have beat him into a coma. Hats off to my Army brethren for haveing more self discipline than I would have enforced.

Stay with me now. That same freedom is translating to Iraq. They have a free press and we sold them stories to counter the anti-american bias of other agencies. Let's take human nature into account. Why should Abu Iwannabe DanRather akbar go out and risk life and limb for a story when the friendly Americans will hand it to him and pay him to boot?

So the lesson is, Everyone does it. And no less an august publication than the LA Times (which is right of neville chamberlain and just left of Jane Fonda) verified that the stories were factually correct. So, hmmmmmm, factual stories of what we are doing shed in a positive light, oh the humanity.

I know you got it now. I typed real slow so it'll all sink in.

Any questions?

Dismissed.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Just as I thought. You discombobulated right wingers have nothing to say. This thread has laid here for hours and you simply have nothing to say.

Pitiful.

Psychoblues

Were waiting for offer of payments to print our propaganda

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I honestly think this a waste of my time. Psycho obviously knows it's not the imprisoned tyrants who we are worried about. So that would make the entire post a worthless bit of deception.

And propagada? WHO CARES? Show me a war in which we DIDN'T use propaganda? The only one I can think of is Vietnam, when patriotism suddenly became verboten. That was also the war we lost, remember?

Slight correction. Although your basic theme is correct, we didnt lose the Vietnam war.

also, a widely believed myth about vietnam, the percentage of soldiers in vietnam that volunteered was higher than WWll,

Now, WE DID allow vietnam to fall to the North, AFTER we won and left, mainly because of the non use of honest propaganda by our govt to support the vietnam effort, or the need to continue to support the south.

We signed the paris peace accord with the commies, giving the south the sovereignty we were fighting for,, we also promised three things, all three were suppose to prevent the north from overtaking the south after we left.

Well, we left, and the north immediately began breaking the peace treaty, to test us, as the violations grew in size and numbers, and all the while we were renigging on our three promises to provide the south with support (mianly because it was PERCEIVED public support wasnt there, due mainly to a lack of the govt funding or othewise supplying the public with info such as psycho is criticizing above), until finally the North realized we wouldnt do anything to prevent them from a full scale invasion of the south.

WIth the continued support of China and Russia, N. Vietnam was finally able to overrun Saigon in april '75. WHat an absolute tragedy. This meant the 50,000 troops who died there, died for NOTHING, basically. We cannot make the same mistake in IRaq, and BUSH wont.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

There is no question the selling of the war in Iraq within the American media is well documented. Now we learn that hundreds of millions of American dollars have been spent propagandizing within the country we supposedly entered expecting flowers, parades and everlasting love. Why would we need to spend a cent explaining our intentions to a people that we expected would greet us and defend us against the tyrants that have already been incarcerated and otherwise been tendered insignificant?

I smell politics for profit to the great expense of otherwise unsuspecting and undereducated and mostly underpaid Americans.

Don't you? Or, what do you think?

Psychoblues

P.S.
Don't insult me with your whining or name calling. You get it, just convince me so I can get it as well.

Umm, yea, I was out of country,,,does that excuse me from not responding right away?

Oh, and I will be sure to install a program that alerts me immediately if you make any postings. I PROMISE to respond immediately, even if my wife is giving birth, or one of my kids is dying.

As for the actual content of your post, propaganda is not always lies, nor is it always wrong, or immoral.

But I guess the good side of the war is the only side that shouldnt be allowed the first amendment guarantees.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Well, its been 10 minuts already pshycho

Just as I thought. You discombobulated left wingers have nothing to say. This post has laid here for hours(actually ten minutes about ) and you simply have nothing to say.