The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

[The Infidel]

According to the right wing folks, we have the 2nd amendment so people that don't agree with the decisions of their elected officials will be able to form militias and take'em out and install their own government.

Lying sack of shit

 

[westwall]

According to the right wing folks, we have the 2nd amendment so people that don't agree with the decisions of their elected officials will be able to form militias and take'em out and install their own government.

No, the Bill of Rights is nine limitations on what government can do as regards the individual and one final option when the government finally becomes so onerous (as they allways do) that it possible to remove it and start over with a legitimate govenrment.

Just think floppy, right now it is illegal to engage in insider trading...unless you are a member of Congress, for them it is A-OK. There are many other laws that Congress has passed that they specifically exempt themselves from.

That is the beginning of an illigitimate government. Soon, it will be impossible to live your life without breaking some law that you had no idea existed, that Congress is immune from, and that will allow them to ruin your life.

Don't you want to have a means of fighting back when it gets that bad? Or are you one of the hopeful useful idiots who will be elevated to the rank of Gauleiter in the new order?

 

[martybegan]

According to the right wing folks, we have the 2nd amendment so people that don't agree with the decisions of their elected officials will be able to form militias and take'em out and install their own government.

No, the Bill of Rights is nine limitations on what government can do as regards the individual and one final option when the government finally becomes so onerous (as they allways do) that it possible to remove it and start over with a legitimate govenrment.

Just think floppy, right now it is illegal to engage in insider trading...unless you are a member of Congress, for them it is A-OK. There are many other laws that Congress has passed that they specifically exempt themselves from.

That is the beginning of an illigitimate government. Soon, it will be impossible to live your life without breaking some law that you had no idea existed, that Congress is immune from, and that will allow them to ruin your life.

Don't you want to have a means of fighting back when it gets that bad? Or are you one of the hopeful useful idiots who will be elevated to the rank of Gauleiter in the new order?

One could argue that any government that would be willing to fight its own citizens to disarm them isn't really the US Government of the constitution anymore.

 

[Truthmatters]

one can argue anything


its doesnt mean they are being truthful

 

[martybegan]

one can argue anything


its doesnt mean they are being truthful

One could have the word truth in thier avatar, it doesnt mean they are not a spit licking idiot.

 

[Oddball]

one can argue anything


its doesnt mean they are being truthful

Recognizing you have a problem is the first step.

 

[kwc57]

one can argue anything


its doesnt mean they are being truthful

One could have the word truth in thier avatar, it doesnt mean they are not a spit licking idiot.

Damn, I have to wait to give you rep.

 

[westwall]

one can argue anything


its doesnt mean they are being truthful

Indeed that is true. you are one of the most untuthful posters on theis board. Are you simply a pathological liar or are you so intellectually dishonest that so long as it supports your political goal any lie is OK with you?

 

[Flopper]

Actually it was because the US did't have a standing army in peacetime, it still isn't supposed to lol, and there were supposed to be state militias (made up from local militias) who would come together and form the army if there was an invasion/tyranny/what have you and its hard to form an army without weapons

That's the only explanation why the founders would have included the amendment that makes sense. However, since we have no real state militias and we have a standing army, the reason for the amendment is gone.

 

[Darkwind]

This is what a public education gets you.

 

[Flopper]

According to the right wing folks, we have the 2nd amendment so people that don't agree with the decisions of their elected officials will be able to form militias and take'em out and install their own government.

No, the Bill of Rights is nine limitations on what government can do as regards the individual and one final option when the government finally becomes so onerous (as they allways do) that it possible to remove it and start over with a legitimate govenrment.

Just think floppy, right now it is illegal to engage in insider trading...unless you are a member of Congress, for them it is A-OK. There are many other laws that Congress has passed that they specifically exempt themselves from.

That is the beginning of an illigitimate government. Soon, it will be impossible to live your life without breaking some law that you had no idea existed, that Congress is immune from, and that will allow them to ruin your life.

Don't you want to have a means of fighting back when it gets that bad? Or are you one of the hopeful useful idiots who will be elevated to the rank of Gauleiter in the new order?

So what you'er saying is the purpose of the amendment is to assist those that would overthrow the government. If you can't win at the ballot box, then you can win in the streets if you have enough guns. The vast majority of Americans buy guns for personal protection or for sport, and not to form a militia and overthrow the government.

If there is ever a change in government by force, it will not come from people in streets bearing arms, but rather from inside the government.

 

[Lakhota]

The 2nd Amendment is a fossil.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery




The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."

It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 - including physicians and ministers - had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.

And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.

By the time the Constitution was ratified, hundreds of substantial slave uprisings had occurred across the South. Blacks outnumbered whites in large areas, and the state militias were used to both prevent and to put down slave uprisings. As Dr. Bogus points out, slavery can only exist in the context of a police state, and the enforcement of that police state was the explicit job of the militias.

If the anti-slavery folks in the North had figured out a way to disband - or even move out of the state - those southern militias, the police state of the South would collapse. And, similarly, if the North were to invite into military service the slaves of the South, then they could be emancipated, which would collapse the institution of slavery, and the southern economic and social systems, altogether.

These two possibilities worried southerners like James Monroe, George Mason (who owned over 300 slaves) and the southern Christian evangelical, Patrick Henry (who opposed slavery on principle, but also opposed freeing slaves).

Their main concern was that Article 1, Section 8 of the newly-proposed Constitution, which gave the federal government the power to raise and supervise a militia, could also allow that federal militia to subsume their state militias and change them from slavery-enforcing institutions into something that could even, one day, free the slaves.

This was not an imagined threat. Famously, 12 years earlier, during the lead-up to the Revolutionary War, Lord Dunsmore offered freedom to slaves who could escape and join his forces. "Liberty to Slaves" was stitched onto their jacket pocket flaps. During the War, British General Henry Clinton extended the practice in 1779. And numerous freed slaves served in General Washington's army.

Thus, southern legislators and plantation owners lived not just in fear of their own slaves rebelling, but also in fear that their slaves could be emancipated through military service.


*snip*

The Smirking Chimp? That is the best reference you could come up with, and it even contains a link to an author page so we cannot possibly check out the non existent cv of Thom Hartman. I find it strange that he doesn't point out how the debate over the 14th Amendment centered around preventing states from disarming former slaves.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

intersting stuff


I still have no problemn with Americans owning guns.


I support many guns laws and just like the scotus says they are completely constitutional

Look at that, even TM isn't falling for the OP, talk about thread fail.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

According to the right wing folks, we have the 2nd amendment so people that don't agree with the decisions of their elected officials will be able to form militias and take'em out and install their own government.

According to the left wing folks we have the 2nd Amendment so we can have an Army.

 

[Synthaholic]

The site this drivel comes form is appropriately named the "Smirking Chimp". Synthia was drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

I believe that was Bush's nickname.

 

[Stephanie]

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery




The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."

It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 - including physicians and ministers - had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.

And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.

By the time the Constitution was ratified, hundreds of substantial slave uprisings had occurred across the South. Blacks outnumbered whites in large areas, and the state militias were used to both prevent and to put down slave uprisings. As Dr. Bogus points out, slavery can only exist in the context of a police state, and the enforcement of that police state was the explicit job of the militias.

If the anti-slavery folks in the North had figured out a way to disband - or even move out of the state - those southern militias, the police state of the South would collapse. And, similarly, if the North were to invite into military service the slaves of the South, then they could be emancipated, which would collapse the institution of slavery, and the southern economic and social systems, altogether.

These two possibilities worried southerners like James Monroe, George Mason (who owned over 300 slaves) and the southern Christian evangelical, Patrick Henry (who opposed slavery on principle, but also opposed freeing slaves).

Their main concern was that Article 1, Section 8 of the newly-proposed Constitution, which gave the federal government the power to raise and supervise a militia, could also allow that federal militia to subsume their state militias and change them from slavery-enforcing institutions into something that could even, one day, free the slaves.

This was not an imagined threat. Famously, 12 years earlier, during the lead-up to the Revolutionary War, Lord Dunsmore offered freedom to slaves who could escape and join his forces. "Liberty to Slaves" was stitched onto their jacket pocket flaps. During the War, British General Henry Clinton extended the practice in 1779. And numerous freed slaves served in General Washington's army.

Thus, southern legislators and plantation owners lived not just in fear of their own slaves rebelling, but also in fear that their slaves could be emancipated through military service.


*snip*

my gawd, you people can't find enough to put your country and the people in it down with
from some place called the, smirking chimp

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

This all came from a known black Separatist, racist- Danny Glover with ties to communists. Synthia exposes who and what he truly is.

[WATCH] Actor Danny Glover tells students 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery

 

[Dubya]

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery




The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."

It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 - including physicians and ministers - had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.

And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.

By the time the Constitution was ratified, hundreds of substantial slave uprisings had occurred across the South. Blacks outnumbered whites in large areas, and the state militias were used to both prevent and to put down slave uprisings. As Dr. Bogus points out, slavery can only exist in the context of a police state, and the enforcement of that police state was the explicit job of the militias.

If the anti-slavery folks in the North had figured out a way to disband - or even move out of the state - those southern militias, the police state of the South would collapse. And, similarly, if the North were to invite into military service the slaves of the South, then they could be emancipated, which would collapse the institution of slavery, and the southern economic and social systems, altogether.

These two possibilities worried southerners like James Monroe, George Mason (who owned over 300 slaves) and the southern Christian evangelical, Patrick Henry (who opposed slavery on principle, but also opposed freeing slaves).

Their main concern was that Article 1, Section 8 of the newly-proposed Constitution, which gave the federal government the power to raise and supervise a militia, could also allow that federal militia to subsume their state militias and change them from slavery-enforcing institutions into something that could even, one day, free the slaves.

This was not an imagined threat. Famously, 12 years earlier, during the lead-up to the Revolutionary War, Lord Dunsmore offered freedom to slaves who could escape and join his forces. "Liberty to Slaves" was stitched onto their jacket pocket flaps. During the War, British General Henry Clinton extended the practice in 1779. And numerous freed slaves served in General Washington's army.

Thus, southern legislators and plantation owners lived not just in fear of their own slaves rebelling, but also in fear that their slaves could be emancipated through military service.


*snip*

No, the 2nd Amendment was not ratified to preserve slavery and the person who wrote that didn't even try to find the evidence of why it was written and ratified.

 

[Stephanie]

This all came from a known black Separatist, racist- Danny Glover with ties to communists. Synthia exposes who and what he truly is.

[WATCH] Actor Danny Glover tells students 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery

He was speaking at a college..one ungrateful (got RICH off our country play acting) hateful American
I wouldn't let him near my kids