The Ryan Medicare Plan...Not what Democrats claim

and of course the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/

:rolleyes:


but hey don't worry-

Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

what post are you addressing?:eusa_eh:

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?
It has already been explained to you, but you insist on playing dumb. So let me try again.

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that the Medicare provisions in the health care law would save $700 billion over a decade and extend the life of Medicare. Obama's cuts don’t target beneficiaries, like Lyin' Ryan's do. Obama's cuts come largely in the form of reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. Those savings are then used to extend the life of Medicare.


Lyin' Ryan also cuts $700 billion from Medicare, but rather than use those cuts to extend Medicare, Lyin' Ryan steals the money from Medicare to pay for tax cuts for capital gains tycoons. Obama leaves the savings in Medicare, Lyin' Ryan loots his cuts to Medicare, taking them out of Medicare and giving them to his cronies.
Get it????
 
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So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

what post are you addressing?:eusa_eh:

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?
It has already been explained to you, but you insist on playing dumb. So let me try again.

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that the Medicare provisions in the health care law would save $700 billion over a decade and extend the life of Medicare. Obama's cuts don’t target beneficiaries, like Lyin' Ryan's do. Obama's cuts come largely in the form of reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. Those savings are then used to extend the life of Medicare.


Lyin' Ryan also cuts $700 billion from Medicare, but rather than use those cuts to extend Medicare, Lyin' Ryan steals the money from Medicare to pay for tax cuts for capital gains tycoons. Obama leaves the savings in Medicare, Lyin' Ryan loots his cuts to Medicare, taking them out of Medicare and giving them to his cronies.
Get it????

This is not true. Read the Link from Fact Check.
 
So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare

No, the Ryan budget doesn't put that money back into Medicare; its repeal of Obamacare doesn't include the provisions that curb Medicare spending growth.

He simply adopts the same cuts as his own.

Eventually , in a couple of decades, seniors will start paying premiums for some of the medicare or the private insurance they choose to carry. If the burden starts to become too much, Congress can step in and help subsidize it more than what is originally called for.

It will save Medicare and the younger citizens can plan for it effectively.

That defeats the purpose. The entire point of pushing seniors into private plans that are more expensive and whose costs are growing faster than Medicare is that it's done in conjunction with limitations to the federal government's commitment to seniors. Spending on seniors' health needs as a whole goes up, but the approach "saves" [the feds] money by lowering the federal contribution to those medical expenses and shifting them onto the backs of seniors. This is about hiding those costs by getting them off the government ledger and passing them off to seniors.

If your point is that the government will step back in if its voucher becomes inadequate, then the entire plan is a fraud. By design, the vouchers are supposed to be inadequate. That's where the "savings" come from.

Reversing course and increasing the federal contribution for Ryancare plans down the line would be a fiscal disaster, since the costs of these plans exceed real Medicare's costs. Then you're just stuck with another Medicare privatization boondoggle that increases the federal government's costs ala Medicare Advantage and we're worse off than we were before.
 
The Ryan Medicare voucher plan would allow private health insurance companies to cherry pick the most healthy seniors, leaving least healthy seniors in government Medicare - which would make it unsustainable and wreck it. Hence, leaving the least healthy seniors out in the cold. Sooo, the video showing granny being thrown off the cliff still applies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U&feature=player_embedded]The Agenda Project: Granny Off the Cliff - YouTube[/ame]
 
The Ryan Medicare voucher plan would allow private health insurance companies to cherry pick the most healthy seniors, leaving least healthy seniors in government Medicare - which would make it unsustainable and wreck it. Hence, leaving the least healthy seniors out in the cold. Sooo, the video showing granny being thrown off the cliff still applies.

The Agenda Project: Granny Off the Cliff - YouTube


Like your beloved ACA does, or is this different????


The VBP(Value Based Purchasing) program is budget neutral however; all subsection (D) hospitals will have a reduction in the base payment rate, excluding IME, DSH and outlier payments, for all DRGs to fund the incentive pool. The payment reductions will occur irrespective of whether or not a hospital receives an incentive payment. The schedule for the reductions is as follows: FY 2013 (1 percent), FY 2014 (1.25 percent), FY 2015 (1.5 percent), FY 2016 (1.75 percent) and FY 2017 and beyond (2 percent). The measures included in the initial year of the program will be a subset of those measures already reported for the current Pay for Reporting program. In FY 2014, outcome and efficiency measures will be included. All efficiency measures will be risk-adjusted for factors such as age, sex, race, severity of illness and other factors the Secretary deems appropriate. Readmission measures will not be included in the VBP program as they are addressed in a separate readmission payment policy.
https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/medic...ospital_quality_provisions_under_the_aca.html


Not that you'll answer with anything other than a TP link
 
Democrats are still hammering an old, and since replaced, GOP proposal, claiming it would “end Medicare,” and cost seniors $6,000 more a year for their health care. The newest Republican budget, proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, keeps traditional Medicare — unlike his plan from 2011 — and the increased cost claim is no longer applicable to it.


Here’s a quick rundown of the latest Ryan plan:

For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.

Beginning in 2023, 65-year-olds would have their choice of insurance plans — private and traditional — on a new Medicare exchange. A premium-support payment, like a subsidy, would be sent to the plan of their choice.

If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support, the senior would pay the difference.

The Medicare eligibility age would be slowly raised to 67 by 2034.

All plans on the Medicare exchange would offer a base level of benefits, and they would be regulated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The premium-support payments would be tied to the second-cheapest plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. If the cost does grow faster, Congress would be required to step in and take some action to keep costs down
.

FactCheck.org : No End to ‘End Medicare’ Claim

Republicans and Democrats alike agree that something has to be done about the spiraling costs of Medicare. The Ryan plan above is the most responsible action plan the Congress has had. I think many of you will agree.

Here is Ryan mopping the floor with Barack Obama.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs]Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending - YouTube[/ame]
 
The Ryan Medicare voucher plan would allow private health insurance companies to cherry pick the most healthy seniors, leaving least healthy seniors in government Medicare - which would make it unsustainable and wreck it. Hence, leaving the least healthy seniors out in the cold. Sooo, the video showing granny being thrown off the cliff still applies.

The Agenda Project: Granny Off the Cliff - YouTube


Like your beloved ACA does, or is this different????


The VBP(Value Based Purchasing) program is budget neutral however; all subsection (D) hospitals will have a reduction in the base payment rate, excluding IME, DSH and outlier payments, for all DRGs to fund the incentive pool. The payment reductions will occur irrespective of whether or not a hospital receives an incentive payment. The schedule for the reductions is as follows: FY 2013 (1 percent), FY 2014 (1.25 percent), FY 2015 (1.5 percent), FY 2016 (1.75 percent) and FY 2017 and beyond (2 percent). The measures included in the initial year of the program will be a subset of those measures already reported for the current Pay for Reporting program. In FY 2014, outcome and efficiency measures will be included. All efficiency measures will be risk-adjusted for factors such as age, sex, race, severity of illness and other factors the Secretary deems appropriate. Readmission measures will not be included in the VBP program as they are addressed in a separate readmission payment policy.
https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/medic...ospital_quality_provisions_under_the_aca.html


Not that you'll answer with anything other than a TP link

"Risk-adjusted" means you're not penalized for having sicker or more difficult patients.

Its purpose is to eliminate incentives for cherrypicking the healthy.
 
what post are you addressing?:eusa_eh:

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?
It has already been explained to you, but you insist on playing dumb. So let me try again.

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that the Medicare provisions in the health care law would save $700 billion over a decade and extend the life of Medicare. Obama's cuts don’t target beneficiaries, like Lyin' Ryan's do. Obama's cuts come largely in the form of reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. Those savings are then used to extend the life of Medicare.


Lyin' Ryan also cuts $700 billion from Medicare, but rather than use those cuts to extend Medicare, Lyin' Ryan steals the money from Medicare to pay for tax cuts for capital gains tycoons. Obama leaves the savings in Medicare, Lyin' Ryan loots his cuts to Medicare, taking them out of Medicare and giving them to his cronies.
Get it????

This is not true. Read the Link from Fact Check.
it is absolutely true and YOU know it!!! There is nothing in the FactCheck link that contradicts what I posted and YOU know it because if there was you would have quoted it!!!

QUOTE the part that contradicts what I posted.
 
So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

what post are you addressing?:eusa_eh:

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?

Reince Preibus, the RNC chairman, has been going around today saying that President Obama has 'blood on his hands' for cutting 700 billion out of Medicare. That's the vilification du jour.

Repealing Obamacare would negate those 700 billion in cuts; will the GOP then NOT cut Medicare at all,

lest they be accused of getting blood on their hands.

Summary:

The Republicans are simultaneously demonizing Obama for cutting Medicare while their running on their own plans to cut Medicare.

thx for not answering a direct question, as usual.............
 
So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

what post are you addressing?:eusa_eh:

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?
It has already been explained to you, but you insist on playing dumb. So let me try again.

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that the Medicare provisions in the health care law would save $700 billion over a decade and extend the life of Medicare. Obama's cuts don’t target beneficiaries, like Lyin' Ryan's do. Obama's cuts come largely in the form of reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. Those savings are then used to extend the life of Medicare.


Lyin' Ryan also cuts $700 billion from Medicare, but rather than use those cuts to extend Medicare, Lyin' Ryan steals the money from Medicare to pay for tax cuts for capital gains tycoons. Obama leaves the savings in Medicare, Lyin' Ryan loots his cuts to Medicare, taking them out of Medicare and giving them to his cronies.
Get it????

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.


:lol:oh I see, god damn thats a pisser, really.....:lol:

well, there it is folks-

obama doesn't cut it the way Ryan does..


that's why Obama gets a pass?:clap2:thats hackage for the ages.....



:rolleyes:

hey Ed, Sibelius already copped to double counting the 500 Billion and the CLASS act is dead, please catch up.:eusa_whistle:

the whole budget neutral crap was a lie and now there is NO doubt.
 
Wow. I remember when wingnuts spent all of 2011 (and the first few months of 2012) denying that Ryan was straight up ending Medicare.

Then he dialed it back in an election year, opting to slowly strangle it instead of swiftly pulling the plug, and the right's response is: "Well, yeah, he did propose to end it but that's outdated! Why are you looking at what virtually every elected Republican voted for last year! That was eons ago!"

You people must be out of your fucking minds.

:lol:I love it when a drones mask slips....whats a matter? they counting paper clips at that boiler room you working at? gonna shut it down since CLASS went belly up?

the question for you, is; why is Ryan a villain and obama isn't?

obama plans on cutting huge $$$$ from medicare, if Ryan is too, why aren't you savaging Obama too?

here let me help- because you lack one key character ingredient- integrity.

a sheep, nothing more. you haven't thought for yourself since you shit your pants as an infant....

it's only been a few days. give him time.

i love when sheep call others sheep for not following *them*.

lol..

and whether one is a 'villian' and the other isn't is quite besides the point. do we only vote against our own self-interest if someone is a villian? or because a bunch of rightwing extremists say so?

i don't think so.

and classy post. :thup:

cheers.
 
what post are you addressing?:eusa_eh:

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?
It has already been explained to you, but you insist on playing dumb. So let me try again.

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that the Medicare provisions in the health care law would save $700 billion over a decade and extend the life of Medicare. Obama's cuts don’t target beneficiaries, like Lyin' Ryan's do. Obama's cuts come largely in the form of reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. Those savings are then used to extend the life of Medicare.


Lyin' Ryan also cuts $700 billion from Medicare, but rather than use those cuts to extend Medicare, Lyin' Ryan steals the money from Medicare to pay for tax cuts for capital gains tycoons. Obama leaves the savings in Medicare, Lyin' Ryan loots his cuts to Medicare, taking them out of Medicare and giving them to his cronies.
Get it????

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
:lol:oh I see, god damn thats a pisser, really.....:lol:

well, there it is folks-

obama doesn't cut it the way Ryan does..


that's why Obama gets a pass?:clap2:thats hackage for the ages.....



:rolleyes:

hey Ed, Sibelius already copped to double counting the 500 Billion and the CLASS act is dead, please catch up.:eusa_whistle:

the whole budget neutral crap was a lie and now there is NO doubt.
Learn to read, child.
 
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It has already been explained to you, but you insist on playing dumb. So let me try again.

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that the Medicare provisions in the health care law would save $700 billion over a decade and extend the life of Medicare. Obama's cuts don’t target beneficiaries, like Lyin' Ryan's do. Obama's cuts come largely in the form of reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. Those savings are then used to extend the life of Medicare.


Lyin' Ryan also cuts $700 billion from Medicare, but rather than use those cuts to extend Medicare, Lyin' Ryan steals the money from Medicare to pay for tax cuts for capital gains tycoons. Obama leaves the savings in Medicare, Lyin' Ryan loots his cuts to Medicare, taking them out of Medicare and giving them to his cronies.
Get it????

Obama does not defund Medicare like Lyin' Ryan does.
:lol:oh I see, god damn thats a pisser, really.....:lol:

well, there it is folks-

obama doesn't cut it the way Ryan does..


that's why Obama gets a pass?:clap2:thats hackage for the ages.....



:rolleyes:

hey Ed, Sibelius already copped to double counting the 500 Billion and the CLASS act is dead, please catch up.:eusa_whistle:

the whole budget neutral crap was a lie and now there is NO doubt.
Learn to read, child.

uh huh.... the numbers never worked and frankly thats beside the point.

you just want to change the question and add qualifiers because you cannot bring yourself to admit that you are being hypocritical.

oh and ed, I guess the civility window is closed....
 
:lol:I love it when a drones mask slips....whats a matter? they counting paper clips at that boiler room you working at? gonna shut it down since CLASS went belly up?

the question for you, is; why is Ryan a villain and obama isn't?

obama plans on cutting huge $$$$ from medicare, if Ryan is too, why aren't you savaging Obama too?

here let me help- because you lack one key character ingredient- integrity.

a sheep, nothing more. you haven't thought for yourself since you shit your pants as an infant....

it's only been a few days. give him time.

i love when sheep call others sheep for not following *them*.

lol..

and whether one is a 'villian' and the other isn't is quite besides the point. do we only vote against our own self-interest if someone is a villian? or because a bunch of rightwing extremists say so?

i don't think so.

and classy post. :thup:

cheers.

why don't you just call him an obama deranged loon and get it over with:lol:
 
Democrats are still hammering an old, and since replaced, GOP proposal, claiming it would “end Medicare,” and cost seniors $6,000 more a year for their health care. The newest Republican budget, proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, keeps traditional Medicare — unlike his plan from 2011 — and the increased cost claim is no longer applicable to it.


Here’s a quick rundown of the latest Ryan plan:

For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.

Beginning in 2023, 65-year-olds would have their choice of insurance plans — private and traditional — on a new Medicare exchange. A premium-support payment, like a subsidy, would be sent to the plan of their choice.

If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support, the senior would pay the difference.

The Medicare eligibility age would be slowly raised to 67 by 2034.

All plans on the Medicare exchange would offer a base level of benefits, and they would be regulated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The premium-support payments would be tied to the second-cheapest plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. If the cost does grow faster, Congress would be required to step in and take some action to keep costs down
.

FactCheck.org : No End to ‘End Medicare’ Claim

Republicans and Democrats alike agree that something has to be done about the spiraling costs of Medicare. The Ryan plan above is the most responsible action plan the Congress has had. I think many of you will agree.


For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.


I saw Ryan on Meet the Press one Sunday and then on Morning Joe on MSNBC the next day.

On both shows he said this.On Morning Joe he repeated this a few times....

The rest of the day MSNBC shows like Al Sharpton and Ed Schultz and Ed's radio show said that this will effect seniors right away.

Amazing what the Libs get away with.

really? REALLY? You tare telling me you sorry fuck is getting this bent out of shape over this and yet i bet you you didnt say jack fucking shit about how the rightwing press took Obama's " you didnt build that" out of context.

god i can't stand you fucking people and the blatant out in the open for everyone to see hypocrisy you show.

It fucking sucks doesnt it? Being played at your own moronic game.
 

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