The Roosevelt-Truman War...Today

[Mushroom]

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Once again, and?

Japan could have demanded our immediate surrender. That is also a "Peace Bid".

Now I ask once again, WHAT KIND OF BID DID JAPAN PROPOSE WHAT WAS EVEN REASONABLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE ALLIED POWERS!

THAT WAS NOT SUCH AN EMBARASMENT THAT NOT EVEN THE SWISS OR SOVIETS WOULD REFUSE TO PRESENT?

This is why you keep failing. You keep saying that, one that even their own Soviet Ambassador knew would fail because they were not serious. Repeating yourself does not make you right.

 

[Mushroom]

"Truman....was still just the newest of Three Vice Presidents that FDR had while he was in office."


Not the reason.

Oh nonsense. You are so far biased that I take you about as seriously as Poopy there.

You throw out some anecdotal quips, going back and forth and back and forth about the President and the Soviets.

That are little more than just random nonsense with no context or meaning. I am sure they mean something to you, but to the rest of us it is like the ramblings of a cat lady.

And gee, 2.2 pounds of uranium. You know that there are a great many uses for uranium, right? Even before WWII it was used for things like watch faces, glasses, and medical instruments. And it is still to this day "dirt cheap". So even putting that there (along with most of those other items listed) is yet another of those random dumps with a ton of garbage, no context or explanation.

Got it, you hate the Soviets and Democrats. That is obvious already, no reason to go over it ad nauseum.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh nonsense. You are so far biased that I take you about as seriously as Poopy there.

You throw out some anecdotal quips, going back and forth and back and forth about the President and the Soviets.

That are little more than just random nonsense with no context or meaning. I am sure they mean something to you, but to the rest of us it is like the ramblings of a cat lady.

And gee, 2.2 pounds of uranium. You know that there are a great many uses for uranium, right? Even before WWII it was used for things like watch faces, glasses, and medical instruments. And it is still to this day "dirt cheap". So even putting that there (along with most of those other items listed) is yet another of those random dumps with a ton of garbage, no context or explanation.

Got it, you hate the Soviets and Democrats. That is obvious already, no reason to go over it ad nauseum.

Jordan states he shipped hundreds of pounds of uranium.

Watch more carefully.


I hate all the enemies of America.

You should too.

 

[Unkotare]

Now I ask once again, WHAT KIND OF BID DID JAPAN PROPOSE WHAT WAS EVEN REASONABLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE ALLIED POWERS!

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fdr rejected the very notion of an earlier peace out of hand. Nothing was "acceptable" to him but more death.

 

[Mushroom]

fdr rejected the very notion of an earlier peace out of hand. Nothing was "acceptable" to him but more death.

And when did Japan ever give even the slightest indication they were willing to talk?

Hmmmm? When? They outright said publicly that they were ignoring Potsdam. And did exactly that.

So tell me, what peace was rejected?

 

[Unkotare]

And when did Japan ever give even the slightest indication they were willing to talk?

Hmmmm? When? They outright said publicly that they were ignoring Potsdam. And did exactly that.

So tell me, what peace was rejected?

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[Mushroom]

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And you repeat yourself yet again.

And ignore anything that you do not like.

Stop clowning around and be serious, Poopy.

 

[Unkotare]

And you repeat yourself yet again.

And ignore anything that you do not like.

Stop clowning around and be serious, Poopy.

Read.

 

[Mushroom]

Read.

You have been posting the exact same "proof" for years. I have read it, it is as meaningless today as the first time I read it.

And still, you avoid answering what I keep asking you, Poopy. When did they tell the world they were willing to discuss anything? What country that they tried to approach even thought the offer was important enough that they were even willing to pass along to the Allied Powers?

WHY DID THEIR OWN AMBASSADOR TO THE SOVIETS IN DECODED TRANSMISSIONS SEND A MESSAGE TO JAPAN SAYING THAT THEY HAD TO GET SERIOUS, AND NOT EVEN THE SOVIETS WOULD CONSIDER PASSING THAT ALONG!!!!

When their own Ambassador tells his government in a coded communication that there was not a chance in hell that the Soviets would even consider what they proposed (a neutral country to them), then what in the hell makes you or anybody think that the Allies would even consider it?

As I said, who cares if some wanted to, the government still believed that they could dictate the terms and conditions. And was not willing to consider anything even close to what the Allied powers wanted. Goes right back to my statement of it being like in 1991 Iraq demanding the surrender of the Coalition against them, and saying that they be allowed to keep the oil fields of Kuwait in exchange for peace. No more acceptable in 1991 than the garbage proposals Japan kept trying to offer in 1945.

And to be even more accurate, that would be like Iraq trying to use Iran to be their mediator. And Iran knowing their offer was so much coprolite that they themselves told Iraq to "pound sand" and ignored it.

 

[Unkotare]

You have been posting the exact same "proof" for years. I have read it, it is as meaningless today as the first time I read it.

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You need to believe that because it doesn't support the narrative that you cannot live with yourself without.

 

[Unkotare]

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As I said, who cares ....

YOU do.

 

[Mushroom]

You need to believe that because it doesn't support the narrative that you cannot live with yourself without.

It is because it is an unsubstantiated claim, that does not even really give specifics and only an extremely vague and unsubstantiated claim.

And one that is at complete odds of even all the information that Japan itself has released over the decades.

There is absolutely nothing and nobody that could have ordered the surrender, and that was the Imperial Council. The same council that the day before Hiroshima had voted that the war would continue to the end, and that they would not negotiate anything.

That after the news of Hiroshima reached them, was then at 7 to continue the war no matter what, and only a single vote now urging to end the war.

That is all that matters. Those were what the 8 people who actually ran the country demanded, and how they voted. The votes of the last days in the Imperial Council are well known, they are hardly secret. And no matter what kind of nonsense single source claims you present will ever change those facts.

If it was not an offer by at least 5 of those 8 men, it is absolutely worthless and only good as poopy paper.

 

[Unkotare]

It is because it is an unsubstantiated claim, .....

Exactly what "claim"?

 

[Unkotare]

fdr rejected the very notion of an earlier peace out of hand. Nothing was "acceptable" to him but more death.

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[Unkotare]

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[rupol2000]

Truman is the leftist whore who was overthrown by McCarthy and Eisenhower

 

[irosie91]

Truman is the leftist whore who was overthrown by McCarthy and Eisenhower.

Truman was not overthrown-----he did not run for office when his two
terms were finished. Having McCarthy as an enemy is a positive
credential. Eisenhower was a do nothing President and gifted
the USA with tricky-dick

 

[Unkotare]

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Now I ask once again, WHAT KIND OF BID DID JAPAN PROPOSE WHAT WAS EVEN REASONABLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE ALLIED POWERS!

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The exact same one we eventually accepted. After deliberately targeting and incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians.

 

[AZrailwhale]

so? Truman did not like Stalin and SAW THE DANGER----but FDR did not-----
SO? Truman made several good decisions-----very difficult decisions that
FDR did not SO? Those fact negate the good FDR accomplished----
you is a black and white girl-------or sorta so HORRIFIED by socialism----you respond like "SOCIALISM" is dirty word-------I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS-----I am old----I remember "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it might tend
to incriminate me" I was very young and memorized it like a limerick---jack be nimble.......

What good did FDR do? He twisted international law into pretzels so he could support one combatant over another in a war. He fought an undeclared naval war against Germany. He first threatened, then packed SCOTUS when it ruled his New Deal programs were unconstitutional. He vastly, and illegally, expanded the power of the Federal government. He lengthened the depression by years, and the only reason it ended as early as it did was WWII, NOT any of his programs. He interned American citizens.