The Roman exile of the biblical Jews... fact or yet another lie?

[peach174]

I hope we can have a serious discussion here for once. I have been spending quite a bit of time researching this. From what I can tell, this event either never happened or there simply are no historians who have been able to show that this was a real event in history.

If any of you can provide proof that this event actually occurred, not only would your posts hold more weight, but also we could begin to discuss this issue from a factual standpoint instead of what we seem to have on every thread here where the hasbara crew simply assumes this as fact and then moves on to claim that what they are doing to the Muslims and Christians is what was done to them a couple 1000 of years ago.

If you want to chime in here, then please stay away form hasbara sites and post links only to credible historians.... no wikipedia, no jewish virtual library, etc..

Thanks in advance for any help.

I hope we can have a serious discussion here for once. I have been spending quite a bit of time researching this. From what I can tell, this event either never happened or there simply are no historians who have been able to show that this was a real event in history.

If any of you can provide proof that this event actually occurred, not only would your posts hold more weight, but also we could begin to discuss this issue from a factual standpoint instead of what we seem to have on every thread here where the hasbara crew simply assumes this as fact and then moves on to claim that what they are doing to the Muslims and Christians is what was done to them a couple 1000 of years ago.

If you want to chime in here, then please stay away form hasbara sites and post links only to credible historians.... no wikipedia, no jewish virtual library, etc..

Thanks in advance for any help.

This is recently.
Passover proof lies in Egyptian hieroglyphs — Jewish Journal

 

[rylah]

Most Jews, like the Samaritans and Pagans converted to Christianity by the end of the 4th century, , they did not go anywhere.

Link? Or are just supposed to take your word for it? rylah brought down various historical documents which prove otherwise.

From a Zionist site:

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity,

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

From the same book:

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."

2Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

 

[danielpalos]

Then the whole of Jewish thought on exile is from brainwashing and there is no evidence of the biblical diaspora. Try to stay on topic.

Judea is in the Middle East.

 

[montelatici]

Most Jews, like the Samaritans and Pagans converted to Christianity by the end of the 4th century, , they did not go anywhere.

Link? Or are just supposed to take your word for it? rylah brought down various historical documents which prove otherwise.

From a Zionist site:

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity,

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

From the same book:

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."

2Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

How does that conflict with Joan Peter's conclusion from the same site? What's your point?

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

 

[rylah]

Most Jews, like the Samaritans and Pagans converted to Christianity by the end of the 4th century, , they did not go anywhere.

Link? Or are just supposed to take your word for it? rylah brought down various historical documents which prove otherwise.

From a Zionist site:

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity,

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

From the same book:

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."

2Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

How does that conflict with Joan Peter's conclusion from the same site? What's your point?

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Because that was NOT her conclusion.
If it was, then she contradicted herself by including all those historic documents that describe Palestine as a chaos of so many foreign settlers, pilgrims and nomads.

It's a revisionist book, written by a journalist
At least she put it in the context, but You of course don't read beyond the headlines.

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab–Jewish Conflict over Palestineis a controversial[1] 1984 book by Joan Peters about the demographics of the Arabpopulation of Palestine and of the Jewish population of the Arab world before and after the formation of the State of Israel.

According to Peters a large fraction of the Arabs of Palestine were not descendants of natives of Palestine at the time of the formation of Israel in 1948, but had arrived in waves of immigration starting in the 19th century and continuing through the period of the British Mandate.

 

[montelatici]

Most Jews, like the Samaritans and Pagans converted to Christianity by the end of the 4th century, , they did not go anywhere.

Link? Or are just supposed to take your word for it? rylah brought down various historical documents which prove otherwise.

From a Zionist site:

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity,

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

From the same book:

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."

2Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

How does that conflict with Joan Peter's conclusion from the same site? What's your point?

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Because that was NOT her conclusion.
If it was, then she contradicted herself by including all those historic documents that describe Palestine as a chaos of so many foreign settlers, pilgrims and nomads.

It's a revisionist book, written by a journalist
At least she put it in the context, but You of course don't read beyond the headlines.

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab–Jewish Conflict over Palestineis a controversial[1] 1984 book by Joan Peters about the demographics of the Arabpopulation of Palestine and of the Jewish population of the Arab world before and after the formation of the State of Israel.

According to Peters a large fraction of the Arabs of Palestine were not descendants of natives of Palestine at the time of the formation of Israel in 1948, but had arrived in waves of immigration starting in the 19th century and continuing through the period of the British Mandate.

Of course you ignore the facts. Besides, what's a large fraction? You are full of shit.

 

[Roudy]

Who is he to dictate which sites to go to?
Another thread from the same Bigoted Racist Jew Hater who denied the Holocaust. Consider the source

And get this...this guy actually claims to be Jewish, if you can believe that.

Hitler's own mother was Jewish yet he was filled with Hate, bigotry and racism. The same goes for this piece of Racist filth.

Hey Louie, you know that when all they can do is hurl abuse at you, they've got nothing and you've won.

Yeah you guys keep winning, just like Arabs / Muslims always claim to win all the wars they've gotten their asses kicked! Ya gotta love it!

 

[Roudy]

Then the whole of Jewish thought on exile is from brainwashing and there is no evidence of the biblical diaspora. Try to stay on topic.

Yeah keep thinking that, Achmed, I guarantee you that Jerusalem will never again be divided or fall under the control of invading Muslim barbarians. You can spend all your entire life spewing garbage against Jews and Israel and this fact will not change.

 

[Roudy]

Most Jews, like the Samaritans and Pagans converted to Christianity by the end of the 4th century, , they did not go anywhere.

Link? Or are just supposed to take your word for it? rylah brought down various historical documents which prove otherwise.

From a Zionist site:

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity,

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

From the same book:

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."

2Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

How does that conflict with Joan Peter's conclusion from the same site? What's your point?

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Different topic, same bullshit repetitive spam, and derailing tactics when confronted with the truth.

 

[rylah]

Link? Or are just supposed to take your word for it? rylah brought down various historical documents which prove otherwise.

From a Zionist site:

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity,

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

From the same book:

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."

2Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

How does that conflict with Joan Peter's conclusion from the same site? What's your point?

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Because that was NOT her conclusion.
If it was, then she contradicted herself by including all those historic documents that describe Palestine as a chaos of so many foreign settlers, pilgrims and nomads.

It's a revisionist book, written by a journalist
At least she put it in the context, but You of course don't read beyond the headlines.

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab–Jewish Conflict over Palestineis a controversial[1] 1984 book by Joan Peters about the demographics of the Arabpopulation of Palestine and of the Jewish population of the Arab world before and after the formation of the State of Israel.

According to Peters a large fraction of the Arabs of Palestine were not descendants of natives of Palestine at the time of the formation of Israel in 1948, but had arrived in waves of immigration starting in the 19th century and continuing through the period of the British Mandate.

Of course you ignore the facts. Besides, what's a large fraction? You are full of shit.

Fact is the same book, and the link You use, they all say that the Muslims and Christians in Palestine were of much greater variety of countries than any other group like the Jews.

Muslims came for: 24 different countries (including Palestine)
Christians from : 43 different countries (Including Palestine)
Others (including Jews): 10 countries (Including Palestine)

Remember I'm quoting from Your revisionist source:
EretzYisroel.Org

 

[louie888]

Amazing that there is no historical fact behind the infamous exile that israel's shills rely so heavily upon.

 

[danielpalos]

Amazing that there is no historical fact behind the infamous exile that israel's shills rely so heavily upon.

Judea is in the Middle East; why did Hitler have a problem with, Judeans?

 

[montelatici]

Amazing that there is no historical fact behind the infamous exile that israel's shills rely so heavily upon.

Judea is in the Middle East; why did Hitler have a problem with, Judeans?

He didn't. He had a problem with Europeans that had converted to Judaism. He tried to prove that these people were different racially from Europeans, but his best researchers weren't able to demonstrate that they were different.

 

[danielpalos]

Amazing that there is no historical fact behind the infamous exile that israel's shills rely so heavily upon.

Judea is in the Middle East; why did Hitler have a problem with, Judeans?

He didn't. He had a problem with Europeans that had converted to Judaism. He tried to prove that these people were different racially from Europeans, but his best researchers weren't able to demonstrate that they were different.

To my knowledge, Hitler was not much of a Christian; why should he have cared to have any clue and any Cause, regarding Judeans practicing their customary habits and morals?

 

[montelatici]

Amazing that there is no historical fact behind the infamous exile that israel's shills rely so heavily upon.

Judea is in the Middle East; why did Hitler have a problem with, Judeans?

He didn't. He had a problem with Europeans that had converted to Judaism. He tried to prove that these people were different racially from Europeans, but his best researchers weren't able to demonstrate that they were different.

To my knowledge, Hitler was not much of a Christian; why should he have cared to have any clue and any Cause, regarding Judeans practicing their customary habits and morals?

He was nuts?

 

[danielpalos]

Amazing that there is no historical fact behind the infamous exile that israel's shills rely so heavily upon.

Judea is in the Middle East; why did Hitler have a problem with, Judeans?

He didn't. He had a problem with Europeans that had converted to Judaism. He tried to prove that these people were different racially from Europeans, but his best researchers weren't able to demonstrate that they were different.

To my knowledge, Hitler was not much of a Christian; why should he have cared to have any clue and any Cause, regarding Judeans practicing their customary habits and morals?

He was nuts?

He could have used an Army Group, in reserve.