'The Road To Prosperity'

[midcan5]

If anything stands out about America today, it is the loss of the 'can do' spirit that motivated America from FDR till the eighties when the war turned inward against the very values that had made America great. Interesting and obvious solution to all the whining of present day Americans detailed below. But does America have the will to act, seems doubtful given the crazies in the house of representatives.

"The world needs infrastructure -- and if the West doesn't take advantage of that need, China definitely will."

"For now, the only country taking infrastructure seriously, both at home and overseas, may be China, with its railroads across Africa; a state-of-the-art sports center in Tanzania; or the Hainan power grid, which will link the island of Hainan to mainland China. The World Bank has estimated that Chinese income is now 6 percent higher than it would have been without the construction of a huge-scale national highway system. It's another reminder that infrastructure works, whether you build bridges in your backyard or halfway across the world."

The Road To Prosperity - An FP Slide Show | Foreign Policy

 

[Oddball]

Yeah...Reagan an republicans are responsible for the loss of the "can do" spirit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI]Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19v5Kjmc8FI]The Obama Stash of Stimulus Cash -- Dolla Dolla Bills, Y'all!! - YouTube[/ame]

Tool.

 

[midcan5]

Oddball, are you saying these two youtubes is the reason Reagan and the Bushs have the worst record for jobs in modern America? That's an interesting view considering that it assumes time doesn't exist or youtube has traveled backward in time and caused the near collapse of the entire economy. Wow, what an imagination you have. You should be a republican congressmen, you'd fit perfectly.

 

[Trajan]

If anything stands out about America today, it is the loss of the 'can do' spirit that motivated America from FDR till the eighties when the war turned inward against the very values that had made America great. Interesting and obvious solution to all the whining of present day Americans detailed below. But does America have the will to act, seems doubtful given the losers in Congress.

"The world needs infrastructure -- and if the West doesn't take advantage of that need, China definitely will."

"For now, the only country taking infrastructure seriously, both at home and overseas, may be China, with its railroads across Africa; a state-of-the-art sports center in Tanzania; or the Hainan power grid, which will link the island of Hainan to mainland China. The World Bank has estimated that Chinese income is now 6 percent higher than it would have been without the construction of a huge-scale national highway system. It's another reminder that infrastructure works, whether you build bridges in your backyard or halfway across the world."

The Road To Prosperity - An FP Slide Show | Foreign Policy

wow man, really? right up tillllll wait for it.......wait I said!

right up until the 80s.....now what went down in the 80's....

America from FDR till the eighties when the war turned inward against the very values that had made America great.

and what WAR are you referring to? did I miss one?

 

[OODA_Loop]

For every infrastructure job you create there are many more swinging dicks who would start and then not want to show up on time, not meet goals and do everything to get out of doing that what they have been blessed to receive.

It aint 1934 and the socialists dont want work (Eugene Debs) they want entitlements.

 

[Oddball]

Oddball, are you saying these two youtubes is the reason Reagan and the Bushs have the worst record for jobs in modern America? That's an interesting view considering that it assumes time doesn't exist or youtube has traveled backward in time and caused the near collapse of the entire economy. Wow, what an imagination you have. You should be a republican congressmen, you'd fit perfectly.

What I'm saying that you're entirely full of shit, as usual.

The socialistic moocher state begun by FDR, and further accelerated by LBJ, is why those stupid women think that Barry Obolshevik is going to fill their tanks, pay their mortgages and feather their nests from "his stash"....Their "can do" spirit has been entirely quashed -purposefully- by politicians buying their votes and narcissistic useful idjits like you, who equate a bloated federal bureaucratic kleptocracy with "empathy" and "compassion".

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oddball, are you saying these two youtubes is the reason Reagan and the Bushs have the worst record for jobs in modern America? That's an interesting view considering that it assumes time doesn't exist or youtube has traveled backward in time and caused the near collapse of the entire economy. Wow, what an imagination you have. You should be a republican congressmen, you'd fit perfectly.

What I'm saying that you're entirely full of shit, as usual.

The socialistic moocher state begun by FDR, and further accelerated by LBJ, is why those stupid women think that Barry Obolshevik is going to fill their tanks, pay their mortgages and feather their nests from "his stash"....Their "can do" spirit has been entirely quashed -purposefully- by politicians buying their votes and narcissistic useful idjits like you, who equate a bloated federal bureaucratic kleptocracy with "empathy" and "compassion".

If you haven't seen it, Jeffrey Toobin's article about Clarence Thomas will warm your heart..The Thomases vs. Obama’s Health-Care Plan : The New Yorker

"Toobin is less interested in exploring why liberal America has been so blind for so long to the force of Clarence Thomas’ intellect than in understanding just what Thomas has achieved in his lonely trek across the wastes of Mordor. And what he finds is that Thomas has been pioneering the techniques and the ideas that could not only lead to the court rejecting all or part of President Obama’s health legislation; the ideas and strategies Thomas has developed could conceivably topple the constitutionality of the post New Deal state.

The next topic for Constitutional revisionism is the expansive reading of the commerce clause that the New Deal judges used to justify the Roosevelt administration’s ambitious economic programs.

If gun control and Obamacare were the only issues at stake in the constitutional debate, liberals would find Thomas annoying but not dangerous. Losing on gun control and health care frustrate and annoy the center left, but those are only two items on a long list of liberal concerns.
The real problem will come if Thomas can figure out how to get the Tenth Amendment back into constitutional thought in a serious way. The Second Amendment was a constitutional landmine for the left; the Tenth is a nuclear bomb.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

 

[midcan5]

PC, While the Thomases may be the perfect example of a mini-fascist family, they are hardly relevant in this discussion. The fact he sits on the highest court in the land, and his wife fights against progress for all Americans should give any thoughtful citizen pause. Excellent healthcare for all is a right in any civil and humane society, we just have a way to go before we get there, but like all good things it will eventually come to America.


As always the replies are short on any explanation why or even a good counter argument. Wingnuts only disagree and offer evasive replies, but the replies lack any substance and do not address the issue of the 'war on the middle class' by big money republicans and corporations. That much is evident and obvious from the corporate propaganda on 'entitlements' that comes thoughtlessly from the modern American conservative's mouth. You guys are trained well, Pavlov had nothing on the corporate bell ringer.

War is a often a misused word but the destruction of the middle class in America by republican policies is real, call it what you will. Lots of proof below. Reagan's poor performance first.

And please give an argument if you reply, not the usual shooting of the message, because it disagrees with your brain washing. Think or at least try. Show us the improvement.

http://zzpat.tripod.com/graphs.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/o...llow-a-strengthening-of-the-middle-class.html


Can the Middle Class Be Saved? - Magazine - The Atlantic


Why America Needs a New Deal for Labor and Business - Will Marshall - Business - The Atlantic


The Contemporary Condition: Why Do Republicans Hate America? >>>>>>>>>>>> Good Question?

"In fact, they said, America was composed of two distinct groups: the rich and the rest. And for the purposes of investment decisions, the second group didn’t matter; tracking its spending habits or worrying over its savings rate was a waste of time. All the action in the American economy was at the top: the richest 1 percent of households earned as much each year as the bottom 60 percent put together; they possessed as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent; and with each passing year, a greater share of the nation’s treasure was flowing through their hands and into their pockets. It was this segment of the population, almost exclusively, that held the key to future growth and future returns. The analysts, Ajay Kapur, Niall Macleod, and Narendra Singh, had coined a term for this state of affairs: plutonomy." Don Peck Source above
.

 

[Oddball]

As always the replies are short on any explanation why or even a good counter argument. Wingnuts only disagree and offer evasive replies, but the replies lack any substance...

You mean like calling Clarence Thomas' family fascists, you two-faced dicknose?

 

[midcan5]

Oddball, do you have a better name? You must realize by now that this SCOTUS is mini-fascist for the part. We could say corporatist, would that make you happier? Check their record if you doubt the label, it fits too well, especially after 'citizens united.' Try to counter an argument sometime.

 

[Oddball]

Stuff it up your ass, you sanctimonious fuckchop.

You sit around and point fingers at people for name calling, then rationalize you own indulgence in the behavior.

Then you wonder why guys like me don't take any shit off of boorish little worms like you.

 

[Paulie]

PC, While the Thomases may be the perfect example of a mini-fascist family, they are hardly relevant in this discussion. The fact he sits on the highest court in the land, and his wife fights against progress for all Americans should give any thoughtful citizen pause. Excellent healthcare for all is a right in any civil and humane society, we just have a way to go before we get there, but like all good things it will eventually come to America.


As always the replies are short on any explanation why or even a good counter argument. Wingnuts only disagree and offer evasive replies, but the replies lack any substance and do not address the issue of the 'war on the middle class' by big money republicans and corporations. That much is evident and obvious from the corporate propaganda on 'entitlements' that comes thoughtlessly from the modern American conservative's mouth. You guys are trained well, Pavlov had nothing on the corporate bell ringer.

War is a often a misused word but the destruction of the middle class in America by republican policies is real, call it what you will. Lots of proof below. Reagan's poor performance first.

And please give an argument if you reply, not the usual shooting of the message, because it disagrees with your brain washing. Think or at least try. Show us the improvement.

RVC--Graphs

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/o...llow-a-strengthening-of-the-middle-class.html


Can the Middle Class Be Saved? - Magazine - The Atlantic


Why America Needs a New Deal for Labor and Business - Will Marshall - Business - The Atlantic


The Contemporary Condition: Why Do Republicans Hate America? >>>>>>>>>>>> Good Question?

"In fact, they said, America was composed of two distinct groups: the rich and the rest. And for the purposes of investment decisions, the second group didn’t matter; tracking its spending habits or worrying over its savings rate was a waste of time. All the action in the American economy was at the top: the richest 1 percent of households earned as much each year as the bottom 60 percent put together; they possessed as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent; and with each passing year, a greater share of the nation’s treasure was flowing through their hands and into their pockets. It was this segment of the population, almost exclusively, that held the key to future growth and future returns. The analysts, Ajay Kapur, Niall Macleod, and Narendra Singh, had coined a term for this state of affairs: plutonomy." Don Peck Source above
.

I love when democrats point to budget surpluses during Clinton while failing to point out the republican congress in power during them.

Imagine that! When congress is actually CONSERVATIVE, we have budget surpluses!

 

[midcan5]

Stuff it up your ass, you sanctimonious fuckchop.

You sit around and point fingers at people for name calling, then rationalize you own indulgence in the behavior.

Then you wonder why guys like me don't take any shit off of boorish little worms like you.

Oddball, your repartee is always so upbeat and intelligent, but I still ask, is working for a corporation trying to remove healthcare rights from citizens a good thing? Please enlighten us. It's always a good day when we learn. Tell me/us why it is Ok? Skip names for now, I will. Explain your worldview, and maybe we too will see that depriving people of a humane right, while a corporation pays a goodly sum to you, is the moral thing to do.

 

[expat_panama]

...Oddball, your repartee is always so upbeat and intelligent, but I still ask, is working for a corporation trying to remove healthcare rights from citizens a good thing?....

LOL, we're together on the idea that Oddball sure has a way with words, even if it seemed to turn the wrong way up on a one-way street. We also agree that America's 'can-do' spirit not only made the country great but has been a force for good in the world for over a century.

Just the same we ought to recognize Oddball's honesty and clarity with the record on class warfare vs. prosperity. It's a reality that political hacks at the NYT perversely distort. Reality is that nobody here (either corporate or personal) has decided to "remove healthcare rights from citizens" --that's a slander just as inflammatory as Oddball's rhetoric but without his honesty.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If anything stands out about America today, it is the loss of the 'can do' spirit that motivated America from FDR till the eighties when the war turned inward against the very values that had made America great. Interesting and obvious solution to all the whining of present day Americans detailed below. But does America have the will to act, seems doubtful given the crazies in the house of representatives.

"The world needs infrastructure -- and if the West doesn't take advantage of that need, China definitely will."

"For now, the only country taking infrastructure seriously, both at home and overseas, may be China, with its railroads across Africa; a state-of-the-art sports center in Tanzania; or the Hainan power grid, which will link the island of Hainan to mainland China. The World Bank has estimated that Chinese income is now 6 percent higher than it would have been without the construction of a huge-scale national highway system. It's another reminder that infrastructure works, whether you build bridges in your backyard or halfway across the world."

The Road To Prosperity - An FP Slide Show | Foreign Policy

Infrastructure is important, but there is more than one way to get there. The federal government should not be involved in any infrastructure project that does not impact multiple states. Can you explain why federal gasoline taxes, which are supposed to be used for the Interstate Highways, are being used to create bike paths or high speed rail projects between two small cities in California?