The Right to Work for less money

dblack

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I'm not sure what to think about 'Right to Work' laws in general. As far as I see it, if a union can persuade an employer to run a 'closed shop' (ie require that all employees are union members) then the employer should be able to agree to such terms. But the Right to Work laws, most of which ban this kind of exclusive labor contract - or neuter it to a degree, have broad appeal because of the general perception that unions negotiate with unfair advantage, essentially forcing employers into such agreements via collective bargaining rules.

Yesterday, on the radio, I heard Obama claim that the Right to Work laws are really about "the right to work for less money". This comment has been ringing in my ears and its finally dawned on my how utterly profound and true it really is. So, what do you all say? Is it important to protect the right to work for less money? Or should such a vile act be deemed a crime?
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.
 
Labor's share of national income is at a 60 year low....... in Europe.


Even the socialists can't make unions work for the prosperity of the common man anymore.
 
Oh whatthefuck ever. What about the right to work and not be forced to join a club, forced to pay for the privilege of being in that club and be told how to vote and think?

Obama's a fucking tool who is the lucky recipient of a gazillion union $$ confiscated from its brain-dead members... of course he's "pro-union".
 
"It's about safety". Okay then we have:



Occupational Safety and Health Administration, a federal agency of the United States that regulates workplace safety and health
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think the right to work for less money is crucial to productive society. Many of our problems, especially economic problems, are created exactly when we try to interfere with this right. The right to work for less money is what provides all of us with the good and services we need at reasonable prices.
 
If you are talking about Michigan in particular, they already have the right to work for less money. In Michigan workers can opt out of unions. And opt out of benefiting from collective bargaining.
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think the right to work for less money is crucial to productive society. Many of our problems, especially economic problems, are created exactly when we try to interfere with this right. The right to work for less money is what provides all of us with the good and services we need at reasonable prices.

It's not a right but a choice/decision.
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think the right to work for less money is crucial to productive society. Many of our problems, especially economic problems, are created exactly when we try to interfere with this right. The right to work for less money is what provides all of us with the good and services we need at reasonable prices.

How hopelessly naive and frankly, dumb.
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.

That'd be cool if all government interference between labor and management were cut out.

You'd support that, right?

Free Markets!
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think the right to work for less money is crucial to productive society. Many of our problems, especially economic problems, are created exactly when we try to interfere with this right. The right to work for less money is what provides all of us with the good and services we need at reasonable prices.


As consumers, we fully support the right to work for less money in our purchase decisions - the demand side.

To not support it on the supply side is an eventual economic disaster.
 
I guess I'm just interested in the response to the obvious corollary of Obama's statement: that people should be deprived of the right to work for less money. If someone can provide a service or product at a lower cost, should that be illegal?
 
If you think it's acceptable for a business to require it's workers to join a union, would you also be okay with a business that required its workers to join a political party? How about a particular church? Or the local Elks Lodge? What if a business required its workers to join the National Right to Work Committee, an organization that lobbies against forced unionization?

If you're okay with businesses forcing workers to join unions, then you have to accept the slippery slope of business forcing workers to join all kinds of organizations. After all, the worker can always look for another job if they don't like it, right?
 
I guess I'm just interested in the response to the obvious corollary of Obama's statement: that people should be deprived of the right to work for less money. If someone can provide a service or product at a lower cost, should that be illegal?

No Who is to say the labor component is solely what drives it's cost.
 
It isn't about the right to work for less money. It's about the right to work and not being forced to join a union. Let's cut the bullshit. And there's at least 2 if not 3 other threads on this.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think the right to work for less money is crucial to productive society. Many of our problems, especially economic problems, are created exactly when we try to interfere with this right. The right to work for less money is what provides all of us with the good and services we need at reasonable prices.
As is the right to collectively bargain crucial to our society.

What these laws end up doing, in all reality, is forbid people to get together and bargain as a group.
 
If you think it's acceptable for a business to require it's workers to join a union, would you also be okay with a business that required its workers to join a political party? How about a particular church? Or the local Elks Lodge? What if a business required its workers to join the National Right to Work Committee, an organization that lobbies against forced unionization?

If you're okay with businesses forcing workers to join unions, then you have to accept the slippery slope of business forcing workers to join all kinds of organizations. After all, the worker can always look for another job if they don't like it, right?

Yep. As long as the "forcing" you refer to doesn't actually involve force, but instead consists of voluntary employment.

For the record, I wouldn't work for a company requiring any of the things you suggest - including mandatory union membership.
 
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If you think it's acceptable for a business to require it's workers to join a union, would you also be okay with a business that required its workers to join a political party? How about a particular church? Or the local Elks Lodge? What if a business required its workers to join the National Right to Work Committee, an organization that lobbies against forced unionization?

If you're okay with businesses forcing workers to join unions, then you have to accept the slippery slope of business forcing workers to join all kinds of organizations. After all, the worker can always look for another job if they don't like it, right?

You've got a point.

No one should be "forced" to do anything.

So along with this..we should do away with licenses and patents. Copyrights too.

After all..we all want Free Markets.

Right?
 
I'm not sure what to think about 'Right to Work' laws in general. As far as I see it, if a union can persuade an employer to run a 'closed shop' (ie require that all employees are union members) then the employer should be able to agree to such terms. But the Right to Work laws, most of which ban this kind of exclusive labor contract - or neuter it to a degree, have broad appeal because of the general perception that unions negotiate with unfair advantage, essentially forcing employers into such agreements via collective bargaining rules.

Yesterday, on the radio, I heard Obama claim that the Right to Work laws are really about "the right to work for less money". This comment has been ringing in my ears and its finally dawned on my how utterly profound and true it really is. So, what do you all say? Is it important to protect the right to work for less money? Or should such a vile act be deemed a crime?

You clearly know NOTHING about "Right To Work" laws and you should really research it before posting/commenting.

All "Right To Work" means is that an employee cannot be FORCED into a Union like they are now. That's it. The employee gets to choose whether or not they are part of a union. Anybody arguing against that is a fucking idiot. Everyone should have the right to choose whether or not they are part of a union.
 
If someone can provide a service or product at a lower cost, should that be illegal?

Are you suggesting it should be?

So if a guy starts a businesses selling widgets for less money than his competitors, he should be arrested?

Did I wake up this morning in an Ayn Rand novel???
 
I'm not sure what to think about 'Right to Work' laws in general. As far as I see it, if a union can persuade an employer to run a 'closed shop' (ie require that all employees are union members) then the employer should be able to agree to such terms. But the Right to Work laws, most of which ban this kind of exclusive labor contract - or neuter it to a degree, have broad appeal because of the general perception that unions negotiate with unfair advantage, essentially forcing employers into such agreements via collective bargaining rules.

Yesterday, on the radio, I heard Obama claim that the Right to Work laws are really about "the right to work for less money". This comment has been ringing in my ears and its finally dawned on my how utterly profound and true it really is. So, what do you all say? Is it important to protect the right to work for less money? Or should such a vile act be deemed a crime?
I think it's a crime when the media reports about this and ignores the fact that he's been caugh gun-running in at least 3 different countries so far.
 

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