The Right To Destroy Jewish History

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    Oh. There are SO many problems with this. I hardly know where to start.

    I have no problem with Muslims accessing and sharing the Temple Mount. I believe this is in keeping with Jewish theology and G-d's Intent for the the Temple Mount area. (Of course, with some understandings, but...let's not complicate things here). It is also fully in accordance with Article 9 of the Jordan/Israel peace treaty.

    That said, Israel has an absolute obligation to ensure the protection of places of historical and archaeological value. Further, Israel has an absolute obligation -- as sovereign -- to ensure the safety and protection of all citizens and visitors to the Holy Places, which includes the obligation to prevent access if necessary or to restrict or monitor access with security precautions.

    The complicating factor is that Muslim insistence on exclusivity backed up with terrorism is working. It HAS made Israel act, or refuse to act, in entirely appropriate ways. It restricts Israel's action because of the fear of retaliation -- not just of locals, but of the wider Arab world.

    What I would WANT Israel to do is to insist upon equality on the Temple Mount. Equality of access, equality of prayer, equality of worship, equality of space and buildings. And I would WANT Israel to continue to exert her sovereignty, yes in co-operation with Jordan. I want Israel to absolutely, conclusively and physically prevent unilateral actions by Muslims to control the space.

    But would the cost be too great?
     
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    Muslim identification with the Jews regarding the Temple Mount is manifest in a rare tradition, which divulges the initial ties to Jewish sentiment, before its dissociation:

    From Kaʿb al-Ahḅ ār, it is written in one of the holy books: “Ayrūshalāyim, which means Jerusalem (Bayt al-Maqdis), and the Rock which is called the Temple (al-haykal). I shall send to you my servant ʿAbd al-Malik, who will build you and adorn you. I shall surely restore to Bayt al-Maqdis its first kingdom, and I shall crown it with gold and silver and gems. And I shall surely send to you my creatures. And I shall surely place my throne of glory on the Rock, since I am the sovereign God, and David is the King of the Children of Israel”.

    Note the use of the name Ayrūshalayim in its Biblical form, with a translation of the name, and the lām and nūn al-taʾākīd, laying stress on the verbs, and giving it a prophetic aura. The last sentence has clear Jewish connotations. In fact, according to this tradition the temple will be reinstated by ʿAbd al-Malik after which God will once again place his throne of glory there.

    The mention of David, the king of the children of Israel here, leaves no doubt that the aim is to restore the ancient Jewish Temple.

    This rare tradition exposing the initial connection to Jewish tradition, which was identified as one of the Isrāʾīliyyāt, was later adapted and censured, leaving out David and the Children of Israel.

    The idea that God’s throne was located on the rock is an ancient Jewish idea. The Ark of the Covenant was conceived as God’s throne or footstool and Jeremiah prophesies that the whole of Jerusalem will replace the ark as God’s throne (Jer. 3: 16–7). Jewish legend speaks about the “lower throne” which is found underneath the “heavenly throne” and in fact reaches all the way up to it.81 This tradition resonates in Muslim literature as well. Ibn al-Murajjā cites the convert Kaʿb al-Ahḅ ār: “It is said in the Torah that [Allah] said to the Rock of Bayt al-Maqdis: you are my lowest throne and from you I ascended to heaven...”. Rosen-Ayalon and Shani claim that the inside of the Dome itself in fact attempts to portray the setting of God’s throne. This idea goes hand-in-hand with many other features attributed to the sakhra ̣ or to bayt al-maqdis in Muslim tradition which originate in Jewish tradition.




    Muslims have always known that the Temple Mount is the site of the Jewish Temples. The Arabic words to refer to the area - Bayt al-Maqdis and Haykal - are directly taken from the Hebrew descriptions of the Temple.

    Only in this generation are Muslims being taught otherwise - for purely political and antisemitic reasons.

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    Early sources prove that Muslims chose to build the Dome of the Rock on the site of the Jewish Temples ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
     
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    This pact, which is known in Arabic as the al-ʿUhda al-ʿUmariyya, has been questioned as to its authenticity, and many versions exist. The seemingly most authoritative version, recorded by al-Tabari, includes:

    This is the assurance of safety [aman] which the servant of God Umar, the Commander of the Faithful, has given to the people of Jerusalem. He has given them an assurance of safety for themselves, for their property, their churches, their crosses, the sick and healthy of the city and for all the rituals which belong to their religion. Their churches will not be inhabited by Muslims and will not be destroyed. Neither they, nor the land on which they stand, nor their cross, nor their property will be damaged. They will not be forcibly converted. No Jew will live with them in Jerusalem.*When al-Tamimi refers to Umar's promise to Christians he is further erasing Jewish history.

    The Vatican officials are of course too polite to object to explicit antisemitism by the Waqf representative in a ceremony meant to celebrate commonality between the two religions. Throwing Jews under the bus is a small price to pay.

    Oh, and Arab news sites are reporting Tamimi's words as if the Vatican agrees.

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    Muslim leader denies Jewish rights in Jerusalem to Vatican representatives ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
     
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    In case you cannot imagine what religious freedom would look if, G-d forbid, the palestinians were in control of what they consider “Palestine”, allow this post from the Palestinian Information Center to inform you:


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    In other words, Jews praying at the Western Wall, one of their holiest sites in Judaism* on the eve of the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, angers the palestinian Arabs, who even consider this site to be theirs.


    Hamas’ tweet on the matter is just as instructive.

    A Hint As To What Jewish Freedom of Worship Would Look Like Under a Palestinian State
     
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    ^the holiest happens to be where the Muslims built their mosque hundreds of years after the Jewish Temple that stood there was destroyed.
     
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    Heavy destruction prevented at the Hasmonean Archeological Site,
    a unique site from the Second Temple period located near Jericho

    The Civil Administration Inspectorate yesterday (Sunday), in conjunction with the Archaeology Unit and the Jericho Coordination and Liaison Office, prevented illegal work on archaeological lands near the Hasmonean palaces.

    During a routine tour, a truck was identified and two power shovel conducted ground preparations without a permit. The vehicles and the truck were confiscated at the scene, with blocks, cement and building materials destined for illegal work at the site.

    Last Thursday, an enforcement action was held in the area against another truck. The truck contained equipment intended for illegal construction near ancient Jewish burial caves.
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    A soldier walking towards construction vehicles at an illegal construction site in the West Bank. (photo credit: Courtesy)

    All captured vehicles were taken to the confiscation lot, and their owners were detained for interrogation by the Ma'aleh Adumim police. The confiscation of the vehicles and the cessation of illegal works prevented significant damage and destruction of ancient archaeological findings discovered at the Hasmonean palaces.

    Hasmonean palaces are a unique archaeological and historical site of its kind illustrating the Hasmonean life of the Second Temple period just before the destruction of the house. The area is saturated with burial caves from the area, with which you can learn about the three generations of Hasmoneans buried there.

    Civil Administration Archeology Officer Hanania Hizmi said: "The historic sites in Judea and Samaria cannot be damaged.The archaeology unit works tirelessly to develop and preserve the archaeological sites in Judea and Samaria as well as to prevent the destruction of all sites, and the Hasmonean palaces in particular."

    Director of the Civilian Control Unit, Marco Ben Shabbat, added: "The Control Unit routinely works to prevent illegal work and to keep the law in Judea and Samaria. We will continue to eradicate the illegal construction phenomenon on archaeological sites, which is a violation of the law, in all the tools at our disposal."
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    Remains of a Second Temple era palace

    Source: Israel National News

    Additional articles:
    Israel Prevents Illegal Arab Construction from Destroying Second Temple Era Palaces (video incl.)
    OFFICIALS STOP ILLEGAL BUILDING BY PALACES OF SECOND TEMPLE 'HANUKKAH HERO'
     
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    Arbid, who is a member of the terror organization Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, was hospitalized for 2 weeks soon after his arrest, and the Palestinian Authority claimed that it was a result of his interrogation. Having allegedly been injured by Jews, the official PA daily published a cartoon portraying the terrorist as Jesus on the cross.

    Portraying a Palestinian terrorist suspected of murder as Jesus is in keeping with the PA’s rewriting history and its fundamental support of terror, which claims that Jesus was the first Palestinian "Martyr", and that terrorist murderers are heroes.

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    Palestinian terrorist is like Jesus, according to official PA daily | PMW Analysis
     

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