The Right To Bear Arms

[Cecilie1200]

Not according to everything I'm hearing in the media... At least the Pres. still hasn't caved much... and believes, fundamentally, that more guns in good hands = less gun violence. & Gun free zones = "soft target" death zones...

the problem is that one can believe in the above while still paving the way (well intentioned) for gun registration... we all know what follows full registration

You found the solution.
The FBI couldn't have done anything to stop Cruz, he didn't violate any federal laws. But if local law enfordement and florida child services knew the unstable guy went out and bought a bunch of guns, they would have treated him differently. They didn't know Cruz had guns, because they weren't registered.

WRONG. We have no idea whether the FBI could have stopped him, because they never followed up on the tips. Who knows what they might have found, had they actually investigated? At the very least, maybe having them show up would have prompted the family he lived with to get him some help and take away his access to guns. There's an excellent chance that actually connecting all the dots the FBI was given about this guy could have triggered an involuntary stay in a mental facility for observation, which might have led to him being committed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Maybe not obsolete but antiquated, out of date...

... it needs to be updated to reflect the times...

... and the threat of overkill firepower...

... for the average citizen.

Gun violence can only be dealt with by dealing with those who commit it. Most gun violence is the result of repeat offenders. Over 500,000 crimes a year, in the U.S., are the result of repeat offenders. And there are nowhere that many committing those crimes. Deal with them, and you deal with the problem.

Once more, you are using the "Hey, Look Over There" routine. The Mass Shooters usually don't have any criminal records at all. And that is what we should be dealing with. What can we do to either stop or minimize the body count in these shooting.

Mass shootings are responsible for a very small percentage of deaths. They are just a drop in the bucket. Most gun crime is the result of repeat offenders. That's the ugly truth.

It's kind of like watching a nuclear explosion in slow motion. If one were to explode outside D.C. in real time it would be a shock to say the least. But if it was happening in slow motion, say, slowed down 100 times, people wouldn't see the problem for what it is and would probably say "Look at the pretty mushroom cloud."

As horrifying and shocking as these mass shootings are, people are dying in much greater numbers in slow motion on the highways and by heart disease and cancer and other things.

People, by nature, are narrow minded and short sighted and act on emotions and nowhere is that more evident today than in our young people and a lot of those on the left of the political spectrum. If not one person died in a motor vehicle accident this year but you had the same number of people die in a bombing or a mass shooting (about 40,000), the whole country would go apeshit and gun control advocates would storm the Capital building and hold Congress hostage until they banned guns.

We change what we can change. We have done quite a bit to slow down traffic deaths and more is on the way. Can you imagine how much you are going to scream when they outlaw you driving your car? That's not that far into the future. That may bring traffic deaths to zero but it's not going to be painless.

And we need to approach the Mass Shootings the same way. We need to fix what we can fix even if it's just to minimize the body count.

And outlawing cars for people who are careful, responsible drivers simply because there are people who are not is just as stupid as outlawing guns for people who are careful, responsible gun owners simply because there are lunatics.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's kind of like watching a nuclear explosion in slow motion. If one were to explode outside D.C. in real time it would be a shock to say the least. But if it was happening in slow motion, say, slowed down 100 times, people wouldn't see the problem for what it is and would probably say "Look at the pretty mushroom cloud."

As horrifying and shocking as these mass shootings are, people are dying in much greater numbers in slow motion on the highways and by heart disease and cancer and other things.

People, by nature, are narrow minded and short sighted and act on emotions and nowhere is that more evident today than in our young people and a lot of those on the left of the political spectrum. If not one person died in a motor vehicle accident this year but you had the same number of people die in a bombing or a mass shooting (about 40,000), the whole country would go apeshit and gun control advocates would storm the Capital building and hold Congress hostage until they banned guns.

We change what we can change. We have done quite a bit to slow down traffic deaths and more is on the way. Can you imagine how much you are going to scream when they outlaw you driving your car? That's not that far into the future. That may bring traffic deaths to zero but it's not going to be painless.

And we need to approach the Mass Shootings the same way. We need to fix what we can fix even if it's just to minimize the body count.

My point was not to show that traffic fatalities are higher, my point was to illustrate how people are shocked and react emotionally when a lot of people die all at once. If there were mass shootings across the country tomorrow and 40,000 people were killed, you can bet that they would ban firearms the next day. At the very least, there would be an immediate temporary ban. But because 40,000 people die in slow motion throughout the year on the highways and out of our sight and mind for the most part, nobody gives it a second thought.

Your point is to try and make us look at something we can't currently change so that we won't look at something we CAN currently change. Simple as that. "Hey, Look Over There".

Of course we can change it. You just told me yourself that "We have done quite a bit to slow down traffic deaths and more is on the way."

Like I told Derp, it is not my intention to divert the focus or direction of the conversation. My intention is to show how gun control advocates, while ostensibly proposing a solution to reduce deaths, get emotional and fired up over 17 deaths by firearms but have nothing to say about the 40,000 deaths by motor vehicle accidents every year.

When it comes to human fatalities, people can be highly subjective about which manner of death to address. To the point that it becomes clear before long that it's not so much the number of deaths that they're concerned about, but rather the manner of the deaths.

Even one person murdered in anger is wrong.

True, but murder has been part of human history for as long as there have been humans, so if your goal is to eliminate all murder, you're defeated at the outset, and everything you do is going to be wrong, as well.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

It's called the Common sense approach. You do what you must do to make a common sense change. Some things are beyond your control but others are within your control so you change what you can and don't waste your time in the areas that you can't change. So your "Hey, Look Over There" routine isn't too common sense.

The common sense approach is why have we had gun shootings in schools only within the last 23 years? We have had guns for a lot longer than that, yet the school shootings are now increasing in frequency. The shootings are the symptoms of a much bigger issue and banning guns like Issa wants, will not change anything, the problem will still be there.

Is not just school shootings my friend, Americans have been shooting each other since day one.

Again, this is a symptom and you don't want to address it, that's fine but until you cure the disease will persist, gun or no gun.

Guns....people here when they lose it, they pick a gun and shoot. Other societies where guns are within reach, they fight, they use non lethal stuff till they cool down, arrested or stopped. Some rough areas I've been to overseas, fights left and right and there was always a saying if it guns were available like in the US lot of people would lose their lives.
Banning guns for sure it was stop all murders, but it will lower it dramatically, ther will be less mass shootings if any.

No, in other societies they just use a different lethal weapon. I'm really over your pretense that gun-banning societies don't have mass murders. Lie to yourself, if you want, but don't expect anyone else to believe you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Picking up a brick can accomplish the same thing.

Can you mass kill with a brick?

If you have lots and lots of bricks and either shoot them from cannons or drop them from bombers. Much like a small bullet can't kill without the gun.

I swear sometimes I just I can most gun lovers overseas and show thrm how it's possible to live without guns, and prevent mass killings. The US looks like it's in constant war...thousands die from gun violence...what a shame for this country.

I've seen how "it's possible to live without guns". As I recall, it resulted in being assaulted by a guy who was a budding serial killer, and convinced me that being unarmed was a stupid idea for a woman in a world of men who can overpower me.

So what've you got to top that?

So you walk around with your pistol at all times? you take a shower with it? you drive around with it in parking lots? you sleep with it? if Anything would happen to you, you won't have time to react. And by the way the US has 300 millions weapons or so available and guess what we have one of the highest numbers of rape per capita. Why is that?

Why would I shower with it? Only a dumbass puts a gun in water.

And "You wouldn't have time to react" is the stupidest argument I've heard so far this week. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't, but I'd have a damn sight better chance than I would with my bare hands. Moron.

Highest number of rapes per capita? Off the top of my head, I'm going to say that has a lot more to do with the millions of penises in the US, not guns. Would you like to ban THOSE next?

 

[Cecilie1200]

then it should be fairly easy to have it removed

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

Good luck with your delusional belief that EVENTUALLY, you're going to convince the majority of Americans that they really don't want all that troublesome freedom.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Your plan is to overwhelm actual Americans with an invasion of illegal immigrants.

You gotta respect the will of the majority....as for now there is nothing one can do. But there will come time, where the 2nd amendment will be abolished I can assure you of that.
Your life doesn't depend on a gun, you can live without it....this isn't the wild wide west era.

Given that YOU are the one pushing for something the majority keeps telling you it doesn't want, I'd say ONE of us needs to respect their will, anyway.

And no, "there is nothing one can do" is the song of someone whose major agenda is to have more deaths with which to panic people into subjugation, rather than protecting people from harm. There are lots of things we can do, and you're obviously just going to sit there arguing with all of it and making excuses why we have to give you your way.

 

[Cecilie1200]

then it should be fairly easy to have it removed

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

Good luck with your delusional belief that EVENTUALLY, you're going to convince the majority of Americans that they really don't want all that troublesome freedom.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Your plan is to overwhelm actual Americans with an invasion of illegal immigrants.

And by the way if it wasn't for migration I don't think you would be here....millions of natives wouldn't be massacred, and millions of blacks wouldn't being enslaved. And thousands of Americans wouldn't have to die from gun violence every year....Just imagine if your ancestor from a country like Austria, Belgium or any other country where gun violence is very minimal and kids don't get massacred in schools, where they should be learning and having fun.

Blah blah blah. Yes, my ancestors immigrated here hundreds of years ago. Unlike you, THEY actually liked what America was and what it stood for, and they wanted to become part of it, rather than wanting to sneer at it and immediately start changing it to mirror the place they left. But then, my ancestors were a lot smarter than you are.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I want American kids to grow up safe like I did in a gun free country.

Yeah...your country was SO great you promptly ran to the U.S. and made this your home.

Who told you i left for good?

If you're going back, could you please get on with it already? Fucking tourists.

 

[Papageorgio]

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

It's called the Common sense approach. You do what you must do to make a common sense change. Some things are beyond your control but others are within your control so you change what you can and don't waste your time in the areas that you can't change. So your "Hey, Look Over There" routine isn't too common sense.

The common sense approach is why have we had gun shootings in schools only within the last 23 years? We have had guns for a lot longer than that, yet the school shootings are now increasing in frequency. The shootings are the symptoms of a much bigger issue and banning guns like Issa wants, will not change anything, the problem will still be there.

Is not just school shootings my friend, Americans have been shooting each other since day one.

Again, this is a symptom and you don't want to address it, that's fine but until you cure the disease will persist, gun or no gun.

Guns....people here when they lose it, they pick a gun and shoot. Other societies where guns are within reach, they fight, they use non lethal stuff till they cool down, arrested or stopped. Some rough areas I've been to overseas, fights left and right and there was always a saying if it guns were available like in the US lot of people would lose their lives.
Banning guns for sure it was stop all murders, but it will lower it dramatically, ther will be less mass shootings if any.

Like I said, I never have been in a fist fight but I don't see the correlation between a fist fight and shooting anyone. Not all fist fights in this country end in gun fights and I would be hard pressed to say even 1% of fist fights will end in a gun fight.

 

[Papageorgio]

then it should be fairly easy to have it removed

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

Good luck with your delusional belief that EVENTUALLY, you're going to convince the majority of Americans that they really don't want all that troublesome freedom.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Your plan is to overwhelm actual Americans with an invasion of illegal immigrants.

You gotta respect the will of the majority....as for now there is nothing one can do. But there will come time, where the 2nd amendment will be abolished I can assure you of that.
Your life doesn't depend on a gun, you can live without it....this isn't the wild wide west era.

You are correct there and that is why we as a nation will not ban guns.

 

[Papageorgio]

then it should be fairly easy to have it removed

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

Good luck with your delusional belief that EVENTUALLY, you're going to convince the majority of Americans that they really don't want all that troublesome freedom.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Your plan is to overwhelm actual Americans with an invasion of illegal immigrants.

And by the way if it wasn't for migration I don't think you would be here....millions of natives wouldn't be massacred, and millions of blacks wouldn't being enslaved. And thousands of Americans wouldn't have to die from gun violence every year....Just imagine if your ancestor from a country like Austria, Belgium or any other country where gun violence is very minimal and kids don't get massacred in schools, where they should be learning and having fun.

So in Britain they removed the guns and the murder rate went up, how does that make us safer? The same happened in Australia, it went down the first year but then trended up, people found other ways to kill.

We have had massive immigration since the 60's and the number of people opposing a gun ban has risen. So far your idea doesn't match the evidence that has been compiled.

Why don't you want to cure the problem? All you want to do is fix the symptom of a much bigger issue in this country.

 

[rshermn]

It's called the Common sense approach. You do what you must do to make a common sense change. Some things are beyond your control but others are within your control so you change what you can and don't waste your time in the areas that you can't change. So your "Hey, Look Over There" routine isn't too common sense.

The common sense approach is why have we had gun shootings in schools only within the last 23 years? We have had guns for a lot longer than that, yet the school shootings are now increasing in frequency. The shootings are the symptoms of a much bigger issue and banning guns like Issa wants, will not change anything, the problem will still be there.

Is not just school shootings my friend, Americans have been shooting each other since day one.

Again, this is a symptom and you don't want to address it, that's fine but until you cure the disease will persist, gun or no gun.

Guns....people here when they lose it, they pick a gun and shoot. Other societies where guns are within reach, they fight, they use non lethal stuff till they cool down, arrested or stopped. Some rough areas I've been to overseas, fights left and right and there was always a saying if it guns were available like in the US lot of people would lose their lives.
Banning guns for sure it was stop all murders, but it will lower it dramatically, ther will be less mass shootings if any.

No, in other societies they just use a different lethal weapon. I'm really over your pretense that gun-banning societies don't have mass murders. Lie to yourself, if you want, but don't expect anyone else to believe you.

Really, me girl. What mass shootings are you talking about? Want to try Australia? How about Japan? France? The UK? Germany? Sweden? Italy?
Are you suggesting they are useing knives, me girl. Cause if so, you loose. Shoes? Volcanoes? Perhaps you should back up your claims with some proof. Or do you think we should simply believe you. Though we seldom actually believe dipshits. Which tends to leave you out.
There are those who need and love assault rifles, and consider them their right to own. Like you. And there are the rest of us, who value the lives of people. Like the people of the other 35 advanced nations of the world.
No one needs an assault rifle. Just as no one needs an F16. Both should be outlawed for the good of our children.

 

[rshermn]

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

Good luck with your delusional belief that EVENTUALLY, you're going to convince the majority of Americans that they really don't want all that troublesome freedom.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Your plan is to overwhelm actual Americans with an invasion of illegal immigrants.

You gotta respect the will of the majority....as for now there is nothing one can do. But there will come time, where the 2nd amendment will be abolished I can assure you of that.
Your life doesn't depend on a gun, you can live without it....this isn't the wild wide west era.

You are correct there and that is why we as a nation will not ban guns.

You may want to stop being so paranoid. I have a pretty good idea I own more guns than you. And I am absolutely confident that none of the guns I own will be outlawed. You see, I have hunting guns. Not human killing guns.
In my humble but correct opinion, assault weapons are not needed or usfull for hunting, as compared to the alternatives.

 

[P@triot]

I want American kids to grow up safe like I did in a gun free country.

Yeah...your country was SO great you promptly ran to the U.S. and made this your home.

Who told you i left for good?

The fact that you left at all tells me everything I need to know. I’ve never left the U.S. (even temporarily) and I never will.

 

[P@triot]

Who told you i left for good?

If you're going back, could you please get on with it already? Fucking tourists.

 

[P@triot]

So in Britain they removed the guns and the murder rate went up, how does that make us safer? The same happened in Australia, it went down the first year but then trended up, people found other ways to kill.

Please refrain from using facts while speaking with progressives. They refer irrational emotions, thank you.

 

[P@triot]

We change what we can change.

And therein lies the problem. You radical left-wingers have been unable to get the U.S. Constitution legally and properly changed so you resort to highly illegal methods.

 

[P@triot]

Can you imagine how much you are going to scream when they outlaw you driving your car? That's not that far into the future.

Not nearly as much as you have screamed about the U.S. electing President Trump and restoring constitutional government. By the way...my vehicle cannot drive itself. Therefore, there is absolutely no scenario where they “outlaw” driving snowflake. None.

 

[P@triot]

Even one person murdered in anger is wrong.

Even one violation of the U.S. Constitution is far worse. Millions died for our U.S. Constitution. Violating it means that they died for absolutely nothing. It’s an unimaginable atrocity to make their sacrifice for nothing.

 

[P@triot]

And we need to approach the Mass Shootings the same way. We need to fix what we can fix even if it's just to minimize the body count.

Sadly, your profoundly ignorant progressive “fix” continues to increase the body count.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. You people have banned, outlawed, regulated, legislated, and restricted your way to more dead children. Left-wing policy always ends in failure because it is built on ignorance and emotion.