The right side of atheism

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    The right side of atheism​


    I am a rare person. My political views tend to be extremely right-wing and I am atheist.

    In my past, I used to be more militant about being anti-god and anti-religion and anti-spiritual. I no longer take that position. I see atheists on this board (and other boards) that seem to want to do nothing more than try to ridicule people for their religious beliefs. Often times, it takes the guise of blaming current people for the atrocities of past religious leaders. That is a false stance to take. Nobody alive today took part in the crusades. Nobody alive today rode with Mohammed and carried a sword for him. The atrocities of the past belong to those of the past.

    I look at my friends that carry religion as a part of their life. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Wiccans, Hindus, etc. All of them, with no exceptions, use their religion as a guide towards being a better person. They all strive to live up to the positive influences their religion has upon them. I see none that seek out hate or evil within their religious beliefs. None that justify evil with religion. I may disagree with some of their stances that are based upon their religion, but I see so many more stances based upon their religion that is positive and for the betterment of themselves, their community and mankind. If god (or religion) is the reason for them to take positive action in their life, then I find no problem with that simply because I don’t believe in their god. If belief in their god, their religion or their spirituality is what makes them a better person, who am I to argue or disparage that? I say more power to them.

    I am conservative, I am atheist, and that is my point of view.
     
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    I suppose religion is like music - there's music that builds you up and music that tears you down and it's easy to tell which is which, though we might not agree on what's what.

    All preachers, priests, prophets and prayer leaders build character. Some build character of light and some build dark character. I'm with you though - all my friends subscribe to some sort of belief system of varying organizational style and none of them appears dark.

    Don't get me wrong..... I know dark people, they're just not my friends.
     
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    There's no logical reason why atheism HAS to go together with political liberalism. I would say the reason that it tends to is because many atheists tend also to be scientists or interested in science, and to have a fact-based approach to reality, which transfers over to politics. This immediately means that most atheists:

    1) Take the side of science in the political dispute over things like global warming, creationism in schools, and peak oil.

    2) Know enough about economics to understand why conservative economic theory doesn't work well.

    3) Oppose religion-based conservative political positions such as opposition to abortion rights and gay rights.

    Atheism per se does not logically lead to any of this, however, except maybe #3.
     
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    3 widely varying points, only one of which is related to religious belief.

    Economic theory and religion are completely unrelated.

    My opposition to abortion is not religious based, but liberals try to tell me it is.
     
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    As I said, there is no direct, logical connection between atheism per se and liberal politics. The connection is indirect: because atheists tend to be science-oriented and fact-based, they tend to liberal positions on the issues noted above. You are correct that opposition to religion does not, by itself, lead to these conclusions. Only its typical accompaniment does so.
     
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    spectrumc01 I give you....the TRUTH

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    Religion should be a personal thing, not public. Religious views and political leanings don't have to reflect each other. Not all Christians are conservative, and not all Liberals are athiests. My hope is to one day have a true seperation of state and religion. My problem with religion, any religion, is that they try to pass laws based on their specific moral code and the system wasn't designed that way.
     
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    Believe it not, according to the Bible, Church and State will be a MAJOR issue in the last days, in the world in general and in this country playing a particular role in the controversy. BTW, this country came into existense because of that battle, Church and State. The pilgrims were running away from persucution of the Church in Europe and wanted their own country with their own laws NOT based on Religious beliefs. That's why it's there in the first place. I would imagine very few, if any, other countries have such laws written into place. Or at least began with such laws as you have here in the USA. Even the ones that certain people typically refer to as heathen nations. Those same "heathen nations" usually have or had laws that were based on some religion.

    Hint: We're in the last days.
     
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    :lol:

    Yea, ok. We'll ignore facts and just accept that 'rational thought'. :lol:
     
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    The last days? do you really believe that? Do you still go to work every day? are you still preparing for you financial future?

    I work with a born again and that is all I hear...The last days. It seams to me if we were truly in the last days these people would be repenting and getting their houses in order instead of saving for their future. Just seams hypocritical to me..."It's the end of days but just in case...."
     
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    Yes, for no man knoweth the day nor the hour...

    Matthew 24:36-44 NIV - The Day and Hour Unknown - But about - Bible Gateway
    That simply means that Christ can come at any minute, and you must be ready for Him to return.
    Furthermore, if and when you die, time is up for you. The next thing you will see/know is judgement.

    So it's not about stopping everything and just sitting and waiting as you suggested, it's about a living a life in a manner that keeps you prepared for His return.

    Jesus said to "occupy till I come" that means to live our lives accordingly, which includes working, preparing for our future, winnning souls for Christ, etc., etc.,

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19:13&version=KJV
     
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