The return of deathpanels?

Its the future of this country jsut like gay marraige.

It will happen because it needs to happen.

Squeezing a few more years of profit out of the misery of sick Americans is what in essance the right is fight for.
 
Wiki is a fine source, you just dont like it because it provides too much information you dont like

Once again your stupidity shines through. Not only was Calif correct, but she is also correct on wiki being an unreliable source.

If you had the capability of independent thought. You wouldnt be so much fun to make a fool of.

Dont change.

The entire internet is an unreliable source, and history revision is epidemic these days. It probably always has been, but now it's gone industrial scale.
 
The monied interests are trying hard to make facts hard to recognize.

Only the terminally stupid cant keep the facts straight.
 
"Death Panels" were never about end of life counselling. The term was about those who will decide who gets what treatment in 'universal health care'. Those panels exist in every country that has 'universal health care'. Read the original research... from Dr Emanuel.... brother of Rahm. That research refers to children under the age of two as 'not fully developed humans'. Charming man.

So? Universal Health Care wasn't what got passed. :confused:

This subject was discussed during the phone-in session on C-Span's Washington Journal this morning, and I was pleased to know that only a scant few people STILL believed that clause is all about some panel of government employees arbitrarily deciding to needs to die and who doesn't.
 
Wiki is a fine source, you just dont like it because it provides too much information you dont like
Wiki can be edited by anyone. So naturally it fits it with your Lefty Revisionist goals.

End of Life Counceling Panel = Death Panels. Anyone can see that.

Maybe you fascist lefties can pass a law calling the term "Death Panel" a hate crime eh? That's the preferred method to try to thwart the 1st Amendment isn't it?

That's such bullshit. Wikipedia is the most respected and thorough internet encyclopedia in the entire world. Where it cannot provide a S.O.U.R.C.E (did you ever check the end of each page?), it clearly notes "citation needed." If what a page contains isn't to your satisfaction, then take a clue from one of their sources and look elsewhere. D'Oh... That claim about Wiki was from years ago, when it was just starting up with a staff of editors consisting of only a half-dozen people.

Do try to stay current, on your absurd claims. Oh, and regarding your insane comment about thwarting the first amendment also. Either people like you are exceptionally stupid, or you've been in a coma for the last year, as the "death panel" crap has been fully detailed and explained so that even a child can understand.
 
"Death Panels" were never about end of life counselling. The term was about those who will decide who gets what treatment in 'universal health care'. Those panels exist in every country that has 'universal health care'. Read the original research... from Dr Emanuel.... brother of Rahm. That research refers to children under the age of two as 'not fully developed humans'. Charming man.

Absolutely.

AMDs (Advance Medical Directives - Living Wills, Powers of Attorney, and Health Care Proxies) have been used for years in Estate Planning documents. They are decided by the individuals (and not by Medicare consultations) who want their wishes known in advance of any medical issues that might arise in the future. It's a personal decision that does not involve anything to do with Medicare regulations. Dr. Emanuel is a proponent of eugenics and such.

Dr. Emanuel isn't even a "proponent." He wrote a paper once in which he unfortunately chose to ponder whether at some point in time, due to pandemics, and other unlikely health scenarios, it might be a solution to deny certain people life-sustaining medical procedures. But of course the right took off like a rocket and thereafter accused him of favoring genocide.
 

So the dem solution was to protect trial lawyers while causing massive increases in costs.


America doesnt need that type of help.

So trial lawyers are the problem with health care? LOL.
And everyone that has had malpractice by a doctor is a liberal.
Negligence by the doctors, not trial lawyers, are the problem.
If there was not a lot of negligence how come the first folks to claim there is are DOCTORS?
 
Are you talking about this type of republican death panel in Arizona, or some other type of death panel?

November 17, 2010
Organ Transplants Denied in Arizona after Medicaid Agency's Budget Cut

Budget cuts in Arizona's legislature resulted in a man leaving a hospital Tuesday after the state Medicaid agency refused to pay for a life-saving liver transplant.

Francisco Felix, the Hepatitis C patient who was denied the transplant, and other low-income patients in Arizona have been refused such necessary procedures after lawmakers cut funding for the agency, known as the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System, or AHCCCS, CBS News affiliate KPHO-TV in Phoenix reports.

Starting Oct. 1, the agency began reversing its approval of organ transplants for 98 low-income patients, according to NPR. The abrupt change came from a series of budget-cutting measures taken by the Republican-controlled state legislature and signed into law by Gov. Jan Brewer.

Without funding from the state, Felix needed to raise $200,000 to pay for the liver transplant. The liver was directly donated to Felix from a family friend who died suddenly Monday. But because Felix's family could not raise enough to cover the cost of the operation, the liver went to another patient.
Organ Transplants Denied in Arizona after Medicaid Agency's Budget Cut - Health Blog - CBS News

The repubs could have saved this guys life, but for 200K, I guess there were some potholes that needed filling.

So, what exactly is this new regulation going to do, exactly?

Does anyone have any facts, besides these republicans killing people so they can fill potholes in Arizona?
 
Wiki is a fine source, you just dont like it because it provides too much information you dont like

Once again your stupidity shines through. Not only was Calif correct, but she is also correct on wiki being an unreliable source.

If you had the capability of independent thought. You wouldnt be so much fun to make a fool of.

Dont change.

And you think you're correct, why?
 
I do not want government universal health care. However, I am self employed for 30 years, own 3 corporations and have paid 200K into health insurance.
Benefits as health care is a terrible and inefficient delivery system. You and I ARE NOT the customer. The insurance company is.
And it is a train wreck happening right now. Government employees receiving insurance health care will soon have their health care benefit represent 35% of their salary for non management positions. Same with blue collar workers but a little lower.
The American insurance health care benefit model has ruined American business.
Now watch all the saviours come and claim that tort reform will save us all.

Employers handle health care because of ealier government interference. But that was a few generations ago. Now we spend SS and call it saved.

Respectfully, I do not handle health care for my businesses. The INSURANCE COMPANY makes those decisions. And they lobby the government to get what they want.
And it is absolutely killing us competitively. Small business is getting killed because of insurance companies.

Actually, the insurance lobby was supportive in the initial stages, but when they realized it meant they would actually have to compete for customers (the insurance exchanges, or pools), they decided to spend millions lobbying against it. Heaven Forbid an insurance company would no longer be able to charge an arm and a leg in order to cover basic medical services.
 
If the insurance industry would have accepted a certain level of profit then all would have been OK.

They instead tried to increase profits every year which meant shittier and shitier care at higher and higher cost.

They fucked us and themselves and there will be no choice but to take it out of their hands eventually.

The republicans will stand in the way asz long as they can but it will happen and then care will get better and cheaper and the insurance cos will get less money.

Hell even they know it, they are justw trying to squeeze the last few dollars out of the American people before their world changes.

Post the profit breakdowns. Never mind the new rules have already put an insurer out of business. Democrats will tell you what an expense is.

Profit or premium increases? They won't tell you how much their "profits" have increased, unless you're a shareholder, but here's how much premiums increased between 2008-09 even before the health care bill was proposed. Read the text at the link.

Health Insurance Rate Comparison ? Historical Data Included For Increases In Monthly Premiums ? Which Companies Are Best | Best Syndication

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The PO was dropped because the right had lied about what it was. They claimed it was a take over of the healthcare system which it was not. Dont you remember idiot tea party people saying crap like "keep your government hands out of my medicare".
Dems controlled the House and Senate. Does it occur to you they dropped it because they wanted to?

Yes, government taking over health care is government takeover of health care. Unless you're a huge company that gets waivers from Obama himself.

Don't you remember the abortionists saying "Keeps your hands off my uterus!"? Why can't that apply to my health care?

Wiki is a fine source, you just dont like it because it provides too much information you dont like
Wiki can be edited by anyone. So naturally it fits it with your Lefty Revisionist goals.

End of Life Counceling Panel = Death Panels. Anyone can see that.

Maybe you fascist lefties can pass a law calling the term "Death Panel" a hate crime eh? That's the preferred method to try to thwart the 1st Amendment isn't it?

That's such bullshit. Wikipedia is the most respected and thorough internet encyclopedia in the entire world. Where it cannot provide a S.O.U.R.C.E (did you ever check the end of each page?), it clearly notes "citation needed." If what a page contains isn't to your satisfaction, then take a clue from one of their sources and look elsewhere. D'Oh... That claim about Wiki was from years ago, when it was just starting up with a staff of editors consisting of only a half-dozen people.

Do try to stay current, on your absurd claims. Oh, and regarding your insane comment about thwarting the first amendment also. Either people like you are exceptionally stupid, or you've been in a coma for the last year, as the "death panel" crap has been fully detailed and explained so that even a child can understand.
Wiki not a good source of info:
From the Evil Fox News:
College History Department: Wikipedia Not Acceptable Research Source - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com
The school's history department recently adopted a policy that says it's OK to consult the popular online encyclopedia, but that it can't be cited as an authoritative source by students.
The policy says, in part, "Wikipedia is not an acceptable citation, even though it may lead one to a citable source."
History Professor
Neil Waters says Wikipedia is an ideal place to start research but an unacceptable way to end it.​
I use quote wiki here sometimes just because you libruls love it, but I don't.
Apparently Nobel Prize winning Economist Paul Krugman doesn't understand Death Panels either:
NYT's Krugman Suggests 'Death Panels' to Balance Budget - Paul Krugman - Fox Nation
Economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman says the only way the U.S. will get its debt crisis under control is by the use of "death panels" and a national sales tax.
Maybe you could explain it to him, seeing as you're "current".
 
I do not believe it is the greed of insurance companies that is the problem.
The problem is insurance as a benefit pays claims for parents taking their kids to the doctor for a cold.
Routine doctor visits should not be covered. Does an auto policy pay for oil changes?
We demand too much and insurance passes that around. We all pay for "It is free as my insurance pays it" mentality. Terrible system.
Eliminate group health care as a benefit and costs go down 40% in 5 years. Return to the patient being the customer. YOU pay the bill and then submit large claims for payment.

I agree that people rush to the doctor's office whenever they get the sniffles far too often, especially if they have health insurance paid by an employer. That's a personal mindset that needs to change, and no amount of "rules" changing will help until the day comes when the drug companies stop inyourface advertising on television how much YOU NEED our drug, or YOU MIGHT HAVE... and scaring the shit out of people.

As for paying the bill, that's one of the reasons for the existence of health care subsidies like Medicaid--paying a doctor bill never gets picked out of the hat as a priority. Once they've gotten the care and feel pretty good, a lot of people don't feel actually paying for the service is necessary. And that's not just low-income people.
 
Oh yeah Maggie, I can see why you trust Wikipedia:
Wikipedia Editor Out After False Credentials Revealed - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com
The online reference work was dealt a serious blow last week as it emerged that EssJay, a Wikipedia editor understood by the site and its users to be a tenured professor of religion at a private university with expertise in canon law, was in fact a 24-year-old from Kentucky called Ryan Jordan with no higher educational qualifications to speak of.
Unqualified people spouting their opinions as fact. That soooo Liberal! :lol:
 
"Death Panels" were never about end of life counselling. The term was about those who will decide who gets what treatment in 'universal health care'. Those panels exist in every country that has 'universal health care'. Read the original research... from Dr Emanuel.... brother of Rahm. That research refers to children under the age of two as 'not fully developed humans'. Charming man.

Under your definition, they also exist in every health insurance company claims analysis.

Yep. Private sector.... not the fucking government... and, particularly, not some fucking researchers deciding that children under two and adults over the age of 75 are not 'fully functioning human beings'. Read the fucking research.
 

So the dem solution was to protect trial lawyers while causing massive increases in costs.


America doesnt need that type of help.

So trial lawyers are the problem with health care? LOL.
And everyone that has had malpractice by a doctor is a liberal.
Negligence by the doctors, not trial lawyers, are the problem.
If there was not a lot of negligence how come the first folks to claim there is are DOCTORS?

I don't like the law firms that try to get class action suits going (we've all seen their TV ads) because in my mind, they're out to gouge the public as much as insurance or pharmaceutical companies. But when someone's treatment isn't up to par what with all the expensive high-tech medical equipment used in the US, or adequate treatment is refused because of an inability to pay, a lawsuit for medical malpractice is indeed what should happen. Nearly all of such cases get settled out of court, by the way, a fact that anti-lawyer naysayers fail to mention.
 
What TM and the other moonbats fail to grok is that things which the Government first introduces as Recommendations and Options always trend towards being Compulsory.

Doctor's being paid to provide End Of Life Option Counseling will become DNR Bounty Hunters.
 

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