The result is that by the end of 2018, the nation will hit milestone

[AzogtheDefiler]

You don’t think it’s fair to give it a 12 month cycle to see the true impact?

We are seeing the impact, reduced revenue. What do you think is going to change in the next couple months?

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

As facts show (the deficit), they have.
Budget Deficits Keep Growing in the Trump Era | National Review
How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Yawn. You are not American. Don’t care. Go watch rugby.

 

[kiwiman127]

We are seeing the impact, reduced revenue. What do you think is going to change in the next couple months?

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

The GOP passed the plan to try and win votes, they do not care about the debt. I think we are seeing its full effect, which is why we are down for the year...that is the expected effect of a tax cut for anyone that pays attention.

They just won the White House? Win what votes? Aren’t you a Republican? Didn’t they pass it to create job and wage growth and to halt or slow down corporate inversions?

Jobs? Yes
Wage growth was 2.9%, inflation was also 2.9%. It's a wash.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

The GOP passed the plan to try and win votes, they do not care about the debt. I think we are seeing its full effect, which is why we are down for the year...that is the expected effect of a tax cut for anyone that pays attention.

They just won the White House? Win what votes? Aren’t you a Republican? Didn’t they pass it to create job and wage growth and to halt or slow down corporate inversions?

Jobs? Yes
Wage growth was 2.9%, inflation was also 2.9%. It's a wash.

Can we wait to judge? Wtf!? Instant gratification society.

 

[kiwiman127]

We are seeing the impact, reduced revenue. What do you think is going to change in the next couple months?

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

As facts show (the deficit), they have.
Budget Deficits Keep Growing in the Trump Era | National Review
How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Yawn. You are not American. Don’t care. Go watch rugby.

I have dual citizenship. I pay taxes here.
Try again.
Maybe YOU should start caring about America's future, instead of being a loyal Trumpster.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

As facts show (the deficit), they have.
Budget Deficits Keep Growing in the Trump Era | National Review
How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Yawn. You are not American. Don’t care. Go watch rugby.

I have dual citizenship. I pay taxes here.
Try again.

BS

What is the Corp tax rate in Canada?

 

[kiwiman127]

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

As facts show (the deficit), they have.
Budget Deficits Keep Growing in the Trump Era | National Review
How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Yawn. You are not American. Don’t care. Go watch rugby.

I have dual citizenship. I pay taxes here.
Try again.

BS

What is the Corp tax rate in Canada?

In New Zealand, the Corporate Rate is 28%

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We are seeing the impact, reduced revenue. What do you think is going to change in the next couple months?

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

The GOP passed the plan to try and win votes, they do not care about the debt. I think we are seeing its full effect, which is why we are down for the year...that is the expected effect of a tax cut for anyone that pays attention.

They just won the White House? Win what votes? Aren’t you a Republican? Didn’t they pass it to create job and wage growth and to halt or slow down corporate inversions?

You may not have heard this, but there is an election in 2 months. That is the line that they told you, but tax cuts do none of those things, never have.

I am a libertarian and I am normally as anti-tax as anyone else, but even more than that I am anti-deficit spending, especially in a time of economic boom. I think it is shitty as hell for us to pass our burden onto our children and grandchildren.

If you knew someone that was living way beyond the means and when you asked them how they did it they told you that they took out loans in all their children's names and after they died their children would have to pay them all off...what would your view of this person be?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

As facts show (the deficit), they have.
Budget Deficits Keep Growing in the Trump Era | National Review
How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Yawn. You are not American. Don’t care. Go watch rugby.

I have dual citizenship. I pay taxes here.
Try again.

BS

What is the Corp tax rate in Canada?

In New Zealand, the Corporate Rate is 28%

15% in Canada. So we were 40%? Right?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

An increase in revenue as more people are working and paying taxes. Also fewer refunds for those in the Blue states (me).

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

The GOP passed the plan to try and win votes, they do not care about the debt. I think we are seeing its full effect, which is why we are down for the year...that is the expected effect of a tax cut for anyone that pays attention.

They just won the White House? Win what votes? Aren’t you a Republican? Didn’t they pass it to create job and wage growth and to halt or slow down corporate inversions?

You may not have heard this, but there is an election in 2 months. That is the line that they told you, but tax cuts do none of those things, never have.

I am a libertarian and I am normally as anti-tax as anyone else, but even more than that I am anti-deficit spending, especially in a time of economic boom. I think it is shitty as hell for us to pass our burden onto our children and grandchildren.

If you knew someone that was living way beyond the means and when you asked them how they did it they told you that they took out loans in all their children's names and after they died their children would have to pay them all off...what would your view of this person be?

I dont Disagree with you but revenue is not the only problem. Expenses are too high. Did you criticize BHO as well?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

People are already working, there are more open jobs than people to fill them. There is not going to be some magical influx of new people working suddenly.

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

The GOP passed the plan to try and win votes, they do not care about the debt. I think we are seeing its full effect, which is why we are down for the year...that is the expected effect of a tax cut for anyone that pays attention.

They just won the White House? Win what votes? Aren’t you a Republican? Didn’t they pass it to create job and wage growth and to halt or slow down corporate inversions?

You may not have heard this, but there is an election in 2 months. That is the line that they told you, but tax cuts do none of those things, never have.

I am a libertarian and I am normally as anti-tax as anyone else, but even more than that I am anti-deficit spending, especially in a time of economic boom. I think it is shitty as hell for us to pass our burden onto our children and grandchildren.

If you knew someone that was living way beyond the means and when you asked them how they did it they told you that they took out loans in all their children's names and after they died their children would have to pay them all off...what would your view of this person be?

I dont Disagree with you but revenue is not the only problem. Expenses are too high. Did you criticize BHO as well?

For 8 years straight, and for 8 years before that I did so with Bush II.

When expenses are too high, cutting revenue is not a good idea. Try this at home, if you are married and see how your spouse likes it..."honey, I know that right now we are spending more than we bring in, but I am going to cut my income and not change our expenses at all...you good with that?

 

[BluesLegend]

You have 2 choices...

1. Status quo, increase taxes and continue the accelerating death spiral into the ground.

2. Cut taxes and regulations to super charge the economy, give us a chance to grow our way out of the problem. Yes initially deficits will be higher, but long term we have a fighting chance to balance the budget and pay down the debt.

For you dreamers I'm sorry but the problem has grown so huge fixing it with spending cuts and tax increases is no longer an option. Our only hope is growth.

You mean like this?
Trump adviser eyes entitlement cuts to plug budget gaps
Trump adviser eyes entitlement cuts to plug budget gaps
Then.....
House GOP plan would cut Medicare, Medicaid to balance budget
House GOP plan would cut Medicare, Medicaid to balance budget
So, make cuts to these entitlements to pay for the tax cuts that heavily favor the uber wealthy?

Tax cuts favor the uber wealthy? There went all of your credibility to speak on this topic.

 

[kiwiman127]

As facts show (the deficit), they have.
Budget Deficits Keep Growing in the Trump Era | National Review
How the Trump Tax Cut Is Helping to Push the Federal Deficit to $1 Trillion
Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Yawn. You are not American. Don’t care. Go watch rugby.

I have dual citizenship. I pay taxes here.
Try again.

BS

What is the Corp tax rate in Canada?

In New Zealand, the Corporate Rate is 28%

15% in Canada. So we were 40%? Right?

Bivens, the EPI research director, estimated that “the effective rate will all but surely dip below 15 percent and get close to 10 percent.” He pointed to an analysis from Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania to back up his point. According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model, the average effective tax rate for corporations will be about 9 percent in 2018 but go up to 18 percent by 2027, thanks to some of the provisions that will expire over the next 10 years.
“We'd probably expect to see average effective rates — the tax rate that companies actually pay — probably somewhere in the mid-teens, with some range there,” said Joe Rosenberg, senior research associate at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. “It's going to be below the 21 percent, but it's going to vary depending on how you measure things and what type of companies you're looking at.”
So what tax rate will corporations actually pay in 2018?

That's a lot of revenue lost, to make it up there will be cuts to entitlement programs, (as noted in my previous post)
So in other words, the middle class will get stuck with the bill that helped the wealthy get richer and the below trend will continue downward.

I would guess, many Little Trumpsters, will get dumped on. But they don't care if they shoot themselves in the foot. Trump is more important than their future and more important than America.

 

[kiwiman127]

You have 2 choices...

1. Status quo, increase taxes and continue the accelerating death spiral into the ground.

2. Cut taxes and regulations to super charge the economy, give us a chance to grow our way out of the problem. Yes initially deficits will be higher, but long term we have a fighting chance to balance the budget and pay down the debt.

For you dreamers I'm sorry but the problem has grown so huge fixing it with spending cuts and tax increases is no longer an option. Our only hope is growth.

You mean like this?
Trump adviser eyes entitlement cuts to plug budget gaps
Trump adviser eyes entitlement cuts to plug budget gaps
Then.....
House GOP plan would cut Medicare, Medicaid to balance budget
House GOP plan would cut Medicare, Medicaid to balance budget
So, make cuts to these entitlements to pay for the tax cuts that heavily favor the uber wealthy?

Tax cuts favor the uber wealthy? There went all of your credibility to speak on this topic.

By 2027, the uber wealthy will be getting 82.8% of the tax cut, you 0%
let's see if you are lazy or not. Go here:
Democrats' Misleading Tax Line - FactCheck.org

 

[BluesLegend]

By 2027, the uber wealthy will be getting 82.8% of the tax cut, you 0%
let's see if you are lazy or not. Go here:
Democrats' Misleading Tax Line - FactCheck.org

LMAO are you DUMB?? LMAO you better read your link again stupid, but thanks for the belly laugh.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

We have yet to see the full effect IMO. Unless you believe the GOP passed this plan to incur more losses and grow the debt? Doesn’t seem logical.

The GOP passed the plan to try and win votes, they do not care about the debt. I think we are seeing its full effect, which is why we are down for the year...that is the expected effect of a tax cut for anyone that pays attention.

They just won the White House? Win what votes? Aren’t you a Republican? Didn’t they pass it to create job and wage growth and to halt or slow down corporate inversions?

You may not have heard this, but there is an election in 2 months. That is the line that they told you, but tax cuts do none of those things, never have.

I am a libertarian and I am normally as anti-tax as anyone else, but even more than that I am anti-deficit spending, especially in a time of economic boom. I think it is shitty as hell for us to pass our burden onto our children and grandchildren.

If you knew someone that was living way beyond the means and when you asked them how they did it they told you that they took out loans in all their children's names and after they died their children would have to pay them all off...what would your view of this person be?

I dont Disagree with you but revenue is not the only problem. Expenses are too high. Did you criticize BHO as well?

For 8 years straight, and for 8 years before that I did so with Bush II.

When expenses are too high, cutting revenue is not a good idea. Try this at home, if you are married and see how your spouse likes it..."honey, I know that right now we are spending more than we bring in, but I am going to cut my income and not change our expenses at all...you good with that?

I own a business. I know. We we on the same page. But we need to cut entitlements

 

[jwoodie]

We are turning into a fiscally irresponsible Banana Republic.

No, President Trump is trying to bring us back from that brink by stimulating the economy, which is our hope of getting out of a socialist death spiral. And while you are braying about the debt, why don't you tell us how you would pay for universal Medicare?

 

[Norman]

Leftists crying about debt.

Who takes this seriously?