The Republicans AREN'T shutting gov't down; ONLY Dems can do that.

[American Horse]

The president and the Ds, believe that since the public is almost exactly split regarding who they will hold responsible, that their media allies will complete the spin for them, and they will too.

But polling who will have been responsible for the shutdown begs the question of whether a large part of that 37% group will hold them responsible in a negative way or in a positive way, and that is an important question that may surprise the Ds. The evidence the Rs need exists, from the election results last time this happened.

When you hear the ridiculous talking points of Reid, Malloney, and Mikulski you can clearly hear that those arguments don't win any converts; they are pure rhetoric and pablum for their team. They insult the intelligence of the American people.

 

[mnbasketball]

It really gets me how people on this board think they are somehow the people paying the bills, when 90% of you can't pay attention even, let alone the share of taxes you think you pay.
If your on this board your sure the hell aren't one of those who make millions and billions who should be paying their fair share. Stop acting out guys, your nobody just like the rest of us, we survive just like the other 220 million people who aren't one of those who you seem to fight for.

If you have to pay 350,000 out of a million and you want more, just go out and make 10 million and pay the 3.5 million you owe and stop your crying. Hell under IKE it was 91%.

your able to make as much as you can, stop crying girls.

 

[stolentaxreturn]

the gov is shutting down because they pissed off the wrong people and now everyone is shell shocked. It probably will cost the incumbants in congress and the senate their seats, and probably obama his re-election. you want a good gov. vote green.

 

[JFK_USA]

The house does propose the budget. BUT IT TAKES BOTH HOUSES TO PASS IT. They have to make something that can pass both chambers. Not whatever the fuck Republicans want. Thats why we have two parties.

 

[Londoner]

The OP needs to turn off talk radio.

The GOP had a very specific strategy, as advised by Gingrich who was in town all last week. He told them to take Reid and Obama to the final hour and get as much as you can - but don't shut it down. Hold a gun to their heads using women's services and various other "poison pill" social riders. It worked. They got larger cuts than they originally asked for.

They got greater tax cuts for corporations and the ultra wealthy, while slashing everything government does for the non-wealthy.

When the GOP controlled the House and the Presidency, we saw them go from a surplus to the greatest deficits in history. They created Big Government on Steroids with Medicare "D", two unfunded wars, and the largest, most unaccountable, most centralized, most secretive, most expensive bureaucracy in US History: Homeland Security - which sounds like an agency in Orwell Novel. Bush did not veto one piece of pork. Now, The GOP is going after school lunch programs to raise more money for the subsidies and bailouts awarded to businesses who have been steadily shipping jobs to 3rd world sweatshops since the 70s. Trickle down? What a joke. America swallowed poison in 1980. Their goal has always been to bring the 3rd world labor model to America. They want a permanent underclass of disenfranchised workers without political power so as to protect their bottom lines from expensive middle class labor

 

[The Infidel]

The house does propose the budget. BUT IT TAKES BOTH HOUSES TO PASS IT. They have to make something that can pass both chambers. Not whatever the fuck Republicans want. Thats why we have two parties.

'Historic' deal to avoid government shutdown - Yahoo! News

 

[American Horse]

They got greater tax cuts for corporations and the ultra wealthy, while slashing everything government does for the non-wealthy.

When the GOP controlled the House and the Presidency, we saw them go from a surplus to the greatest deficits in history. They created Big Government on Steroids with
<SNIP>Medicare "D",
<SNIP>

Please state specifically what they got for corporations and the ultra wealthy.

What's your definition of a "poison pill"?
What was the poison pill the Rs used in this negotiation?

Medicare Part D has operated every year at lower than the original estimates. If the Republicans hadn't done it the Democrats would've, but without the free market incentives; for patient drugs it was just a matter of who did it first, and the Rs beat the Ds to it.

 

[Stephanie]

I'm baffled at how people can't grasp this.

It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. That includes GOP and Dem members of the House. Thats the consequence of losing the House, which the Dem's did.

So, the JOB of the House is to propose a budget. They did that.

The gov't ONLY shuts down if the DEMOCRAT Senate and White House don't pass it. It's on their lap. If the gov't shuts down, its because the Dem's allowed it to. But the GOP House did it's job and proposed a budget (BTW, it's a 2011 budget that the DEM HOUSE was supposed to pass in 2010 but never did).

So if the Dem's don't like the GOP House budget, guess what? They should've passed it in 2010 LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO when the House was theirs, as it's the job of the House to do budget.

Dems didn't do that. They waited. GOP took the House. Now the House does budget. House proposed it. Only Dems can allow the gov't to shutdown.

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

yep, remember this LAST ELECTION. the Right WON. GET OVER IT.

 

[Zander]

I'm baffled at how people can't grasp this.

It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. That includes GOP and Dem members of the House. Thats the consequence of losing the House, which the Dem's did.

So, the JOB of the House is to propose a budget. They did that.

The gov't ONLY shuts down if the DEMOCRAT Senate and White House don't pass it. It's on their lap. If the gov't shuts down, its because the Dem's allowed it to. But the GOP House did it's job and proposed a budget (BTW, it's a 2011 budget that the DEM HOUSE was supposed to pass in 2010 but never did).

So if the Dem's don't like the GOP House budget, guess what? They should've passed it in 2010 LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO when the House was theirs, as it's the job of the House to do budget.

Dems didn't do that. They waited. GOP took the House. Now the House does budget. House proposed it. Only Dems can allow the gov't to shutdown.

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

yep, remember this LAST ELECTION. the Right WON. GET OVER IT.

OBAMA : "elections, uh, um, er, have uh um conseq, um er ah consequences."

 

[JFK_USA]

I'm baffled at how people can't grasp this.

It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. That includes GOP and Dem members of the House. Thats the consequence of losing the House, which the Dem's did.

So, the JOB of the House is to propose a budget. They did that.

The gov't ONLY shuts down if the DEMOCRAT Senate and White House don't pass it. It's on their lap. If the gov't shuts down, its because the Dem's allowed it to. But the GOP House did it's job and proposed a budget (BTW, it's a 2011 budget that the DEM HOUSE was supposed to pass in 2010 but never did).

So if the Dem's don't like the GOP House budget, guess what? They should've passed it in 2010 LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO when the House was theirs, as it's the job of the House to do budget.

Dems didn't do that. They waited. GOP took the House. Now the House does budget. House proposed it. Only Dems can allow the gov't to shutdown.

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

yep, remember this LAST ELECTION. the Right WON. GET OVER IT.

So that somehow negates the presidential election in 2008 or the democratic majority in the senate? Okay.......

 

[Eric Cartman]

Dude, if you believe that, you're hopeless. The Dem's straight spooked the shit out of people with their radical far left frenzy from 08-10.

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I guess 'radical' would be in the eye of the beholder. Except for issues pertaining to the financial crisis, most everything else he did was on his campaign platform. You know... the one he was elected on... by the majority of the the voters.

 

[Eric Cartman]

I'm baffled at how people can't grasp this.

It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. That includes GOP and Dem members of the House. Thats the consequence of losing the House, which the Dem's did.

So, the JOB of the House is to propose a budget. They did that.

The gov't ONLY shuts down if the DEMOCRAT Senate and White House don't pass it. It's on their lap. If the gov't shuts down, its because the Dem's allowed it to. But the GOP House did it's job and proposed a budget (BTW, it's a 2011 budget that the DEM HOUSE was supposed to pass in 2010 but never did).

So if the Dem's don't like the GOP House budget, guess what? They should've passed it in 2010 LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO when the House was theirs, as it's the job of the House to do budget.

Dems didn't do that. They waited. GOP took the House. Now the House does budget. House proposed it. Only Dems can allow the gov't to shutdown.

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

No.

What I am saying is that if they DON'T accept it, then THAT is why the government shut down. NOT because the GOP House didn't do it's job. If the gov't shuts down, it's because the Dems did so.

Don't like what the GOP House proposed? Don't lose the house in 2010. But they did. The Dem's forced Obamacare, now they suffer the blowback.

But we must be sure we know the reality of the situation.

Let us start with your first sentence, "It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. " and the GOP control the House. The public blamed the republicans last time in the same situation and they would have this time. That is why we have a deal this morning. Yeah congress for doing your job.

 

[The Infidel]

maybe the president is stoned all the time, maybe he bought a new vaporizer and has to "test it out". maybe the weed makes him paranoid so he can't focus... maybe he's trying to remember where he put his birth certificate.

 

[Seawytch]

Newt thought he could blame the President too...how'd that work out?

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

I'm baffled at how people can't grasp this.

It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. That includes GOP and Dem members of the House. Thats the consequence of losing the House, which the Dem's did.

So, the JOB of the House is to propose a budget. They did that.

The gov't ONLY shuts down if the DEMOCRAT Senate and White House don't pass it. It's on their lap. If the gov't shuts down, its because the Dem's allowed it to. But the GOP House did it's job and proposed a budget (BTW, it's a 2011 budget that the DEM HOUSE was supposed to pass in 2010 but never did).

So if the Dem's don't like the GOP House budget, guess what? They should've passed it in 2010 LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO when the House was theirs, as it's the job of the House to do budget.

Dems didn't do that. They waited. GOP took the House. Now the House does budget. House proposed it. Only Dems can allow the gov't to shutdown.

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

No.

What I am saying is that if they DON'T accept it, then THAT is why the government shut down. NOT because the GOP House didn't do it's job. If the gov't shuts down, it's because the Dems did so.

Don't like what the GOP House proposed? Don't lose the house in 2010. But they did. The Dem's forced Obamacare, now they suffer the blowback.

But we must be sure we know the reality of the situation.

So, because Dems lost the House, they should bend to the will of the majority Repubs? That's your argument? By that logic, since Dems control the Senate and the White House, Repubs should bend to their will, and pass whatever Senate Dems and Obama want, no questions asked. Man, you come up with the stupidest threads. Seriously, put down the bottle. You make no sense. Either that or take a civics class.

 

[Article 15]

Meanwhile the spending cuts in the "historical" compromise amount to like 3% of the deficit.

Stop pointing fingers, dummies ... neither party is serious.

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

I'm baffled at how people can't grasp this.

It's the job of the HOUSE to pass a budget. That includes GOP and Dem members of the House. Thats the consequence of losing the House, which the Dem's did.

So, the JOB of the House is to propose a budget. They did that.

The gov't ONLY shuts down if the DEMOCRAT Senate and White House don't pass it. It's on their lap. If the gov't shuts down, its because the Dem's allowed it to. But the GOP House did it's job and proposed a budget (BTW, it's a 2011 budget that the DEM HOUSE was supposed to pass in 2010 but never did).

So if the Dem's don't like the GOP House budget, guess what? They should've passed it in 2010 LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO when the House was theirs, as it's the job of the House to do budget.

Dems didn't do that. They waited. GOP took the House. Now the House does budget. House proposed it. Only Dems can allow the gov't to shutdown.

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

yep, remember this LAST ELECTION. the Right WON. GET OVER IT.

So, because "the right" won, Dems should accept whatever "the right" wants? If you've come to that (dumb) conclusion based simply on Repubs controlling ONE house of Congress, then I can only assume you must have wanted Dems to get their way on absolutely everything when they controlled the House, Senate and White House. That's your logic, right? Unbe-fuckin-lievable. Looks like you and bucs90 should be taking that civics class together. Maybe you can carpool.

 

[boedicca]

So democrats should accept whatever the right proposes? No matter how radical and bizarre? Is that what you are saying?

No.

What I am saying is that if they DON'T accept it, then THAT is why the government shut down. NOT because the GOP House didn't do it's job. If the gov't shuts down, it's because the Dems did so.

Don't like what the GOP House proposed? Don't lose the house in 2010. But they did. The Dem's forced Obamacare, now they suffer the blowback.

But we must be sure we know the reality of the situation.

So, because Dems lost the House, they should bend to the will of the majority Repubs? That's your argument? By that logic, since Dems control the Senate and the White House, Repubs should bend to their will, and pass whatever Senate Dems and Obama want, no questions asked. Man, you come up with the stupidest threads. Seriously, put down the bottle. You make no sense. Either that or take a civics class.

This is pretty funny coming from somebody who I bet supported the Fleebaggers in WI.

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

No.

What I am saying is that if they DON'T accept it, then THAT is why the government shut down. NOT because the GOP House didn't do it's job. If the gov't shuts down, it's because the Dems did so.

Don't like what the GOP House proposed? Don't lose the house in 2010. But they did. The Dem's forced Obamacare, now they suffer the blowback.

But we must be sure we know the reality of the situation.

So, because Dems lost the House, they should bend to the will of the majority Repubs? That's your argument? By that logic, since Dems control the Senate and the White House, Repubs should bend to their will, and pass whatever Senate Dems and Obama want, no questions asked. Man, you come up with the stupidest threads. Seriously, put down the bottle. You make no sense. Either that or take a civics class.

This is pretty funny coming from somebody who I bet supported the Fleebaggers in WI.

What's funny, or rather, sad, is your lack of knowledge as to how gov't operates. One house of Congress doesn't control everything. A fucking fifth grader knows that. What's even more sad, is your desperate attempt at changing the subject after I completely owned you over your too-stupid-to-be-born post. Wisconsin? Really? What does that have to do with this thread? I guess that's all you have. Next time, just do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut. You've just embarrassed yourself even more than you did with your original post. What a fool.

 

[Zander]

Meanwhile the spending cuts in the "historical" compromise amount to like 3% of the deficit.

Stop pointing fingers, dummies ... neither party is serious.

Paul Ryan is serious. He's a Republican and a CONSERVATIVE.