The Republican Swindle About 'Obamacare and Stimulus'

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    Bob Cesca: The Republican Swindle About 'Obamacare and Stimulus'

    Read the entire thing but this caught my eye.


    "The Republicans are trying to tell us that the health-care-reform bill is a hugely expensive trespass against freedom and liberty. This obviously refers to the price tag and the individual mandate. What they don't mention is that "Obamacare" will actually achieve several very significant goals.

    1) The health-care-reform bill will help working and middle class Americans to afford quality health insurance via hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies. For example, families of four earning $54,000 will see their insurance premiums reduced by around $10,000 per year. That's a lot. Who in their right mind would turn down a government check for $10,000? Every year. That's a full semester of state university tuition, among other things.

    2) Contrary to the "Obama-is-spending-too-much" meme, the bill does not increase the deficit. According to the nonpartisan CBO, the bill cuts the deficit by $130 billion over ten years. Put another way, all that scaremongering about the cost of the bill is just that: scaremongering. The bill pays for itself and then some.

    3) There are no enforcement mechanisms for the super-duper terrifying individual mandate. If you choose not to buy insurance when the mandate takes effect in 2014, and are consequently fined $695, there is no means of actually enforcing the payment of that penalty. No liens, levies, no jail, no Obamacare Goons swooping into your house like America-hating Kenyan ninjas. Nothing will happen to you. Nothing. So, you know, chill out about the mandate.

    The question about "Obamacare," then, is very simply: Why are the Republicans against reducing the deficit by $130 billion, and why are they against more accessible and affordable healthcare? I have no idea, other than they're taking the childish opposite position of what was passed (despite the deficit reduction and subsidies for the middle class, etc.). Oh, and they call it "Obamacare," which is spooky and one letter away from being "Osamacare." Scary, but entirely without substance."
     
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    Says who?

    Name one instance where a CBO cost prediction was accurate.

    You're saying the IRS won't be involved?
     
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    The current health care system is terrible. I pay 12 K a year and am healthy. Add in 6K for HSA and another 2K for out of pocket and that is 20K a year.
    The problem is over utilization of the system, blank check senior disease care, senior DOPE plan, corrupt AMA and hospital systems and the worst of all: group health insurance where a third party pays the tab.
    Obamacare Bill is terrible because that is what you end up with after politics but something needs to be done. The current system is unsustainable.
     
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    Nobody's premiums are going down.

    They're not even going to rise more slowly.

    Democrats now oppose Obamacare (they want to "fix it) and Stimulus.
     
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    Are you disputing this with evidence to the contrary?
     
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    Evidence bitte?
     
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    The interesting point about this point is that under paygo rules, "repeal-and-replace" (not that there would be anything more than a half-hearted attempt to pursue that) would require Republicans to find well over $100 billion in offsetting revenue since repeal would actually increase the deficit in the budget window.
     
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    Bullshit.

    Obamacare is a shell game from year one to year anything. Republicans only need to play by the same lame CBO scoring system Democrats did, when they hid Medicare costs they knew they'd authorize later anyway.
     
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