The Republican Loss and Why

[bravoactual]

Is in fact, fairly simple to explain...

Start with the out and out attempts at Voter Suppression. Republicans can call what they want, it was Voter Suppression. When your party passes laws that effectively deny the Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote, it will have a effect on the outcome of the Election. The people you tried to deny the Constitutionally Protected Right To Vote have this tendency to VOTE AGAINST YOU.

Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania (just to name a few) passed such laws, and who won those States...it sure as hell was NOT ROMNEY.

Next.

If, as part of your political belief system, you say you "Do Not Want The Government In The Doctor's Office", you might try to understand that telling a woman she will be forced to undergo a Vaginal Ultrasound Probe as part of her Constitutionally Protected Right To An Abortion, that you are in fact "Putting The Government In The Doctor's Office". Men receiving a script for their erection do not undergo invasive procedures, yet you have no problem doing such procedures to women. You cannot have it both ways.

One more time ConJobs...America Is Not "A Christian Nation". The Constitution is very clear on this. Religion is mentioned Two (02) Times and Two (02) Times only in the Constitution.

(Powers of TheLegislative) Article VI. Clause III. - "But no Religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office of Public Trust under The United States." No person can forced, intimidates or coerced to accept any form Religious Belief or Religious Philosophy that they do not want. You cannot make a person believe in your form of your god.

Bill of Rights. First Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion or prohibiting the Free Exercise thereof..." You do not have a right to decide for other person what form of religion they can practice. You do not have the right to decide where a person can worship (if they so choose) or how a person can worship (if they so choose).

There is no State Supported, State Sanctioned or State Mandated Religion in the United States of America. You do not have the right to use YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD as a weapon against others. You do not have the right, based on YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD what Rights other people may and/or may not have. Your Right to believe in YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD does not mean YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDED FOR OTHERS WHO THEY CAN MARRY, OR WHAT MEDICAL PROCEDURES THEY CAN, AS CITIZENS OF THE U.S. UNDERGO.

Rights are Instituted Among Men, they are NOT derived from YOUR VERSION OF YOUR GOD.

No person, regardless of gender or gender preference . Regardless of Race, Creed, Color or National Origin can be denied a job, a place to live, medical care or "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" because you do not like that person, the color of their skin, where they are from, how they speak, or the person they love.

The Right to Vote is a Constitutionally Protected Right. If you believe that the only way you can win a Election, is Suppress The Vote...that the only way to win is to deny That Constitutionally Protect Right to Vote to a segment of our society, then would it not be a better idea to discover why they do not want to vote for Your Party or Your Candidate and work with those men and women to discover a means by which they would be willing to vote for Your Candidate and Your Party?

Demonizing a class of people because of who they are is wrong. To demand that these people "Show Their Papers" smacks of Dictatorship. This is United States of America, NOT Stalinist Russia, NOT Nazi Germany, NOT Communist China. "The Right of the People To Be Secure In Their Persons, Houses, Papers and Effect, against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures, Shall Not Be Violated". - Fourth Amendment.

America was born out of dissent against the Power, Authority and Majesty of Empire of Great Britain. Do not call those who engage in such dissent Un-American. Dissent is the essence of American Liberty.

The Right to Freedom of Speech and The Right to Freedom of Assembly are just as important as the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Open and honest discussion, absent threats of violence and personal insults is vital to our Nation as a whole.

No one person. No One Man. No One Woman. No One Group Owns The United States.

"We The People" own this country. No person or group of persons has a lock on being a patriot. Love of Country is not based on Political Party.

Instead of engaging in names calling and blaming non-existent evils for Romney's loss, face what the Republican Party has done, both good and bad. Be open and willing to discuss this.

That is what American Democracy is all about.

 

[Photonic]

Republicans lost because they are social policy extremists. They alienate most of their moderates and still expect to win the White House?

Yea, good luck with that.

 

[jwoodie]

Is in fact, fairly simple to explain...

Start with the out and out attempts at Voter Suppression. Republicans can call what they want, it was Voter Suppression. When your party passes laws that effectively deny the Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote, it will have a effect on the outcome of the Election. The people you tried to deny the Constitutionally Protected Right To Vote have this tendency to VOTE AGAINST YOU.

Don't forget to mention the Nazis in Canada with their Voter ID (oops, I meant Voter Suppression) Laws, Brainiac.

 

[Nightson]

Is in fact, fairly simple to explain...

Start with the out and out attempts at Voter Suppression. Republicans can call what they want, it was Voter Suppression. When your party passes laws that effectively deny the Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote, it will have a effect on the outcome of the Election. The people you tried to deny the Constitutionally Protected Right To Vote have this tendency to VOTE AGAINST YOU.

Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania (just to name a few) passed such laws, and who won those States...it sure as hell was NOT ROMNEY.

Next.

If, as part of your political belief system, you say you "Do Not Want The Government In The Doctor's Office", you might try to understand that telling a woman she will be forced to undergo a Vaginal Ultrasound Probe as part of her Constitutionally Protected Right To An Abortion, that you are in fact "Putting The Government In The Doctor's Office". Men receiving a script for their erection do not undergo invasive procedures, yet you have no problem doing such procedures to women. You cannot have it both ways.

One more time ConJobs...America Is Not "A Christian Nation". The Constitution is very clear on this. Religion is mentioned Two (02) Times and Two (02) Times only in the Constitution.

(Powers of TheLegislative) Article VI. Clause III. - "But no Religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office of Public Trust under The United States." No person can forced, intimidates or coerced to accept any form Religious Belief or Religious Philosophy that they do not want. You cannot make a person believe in your form of your god.

Bill of Rights. First Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion or prohibiting the Free Exercise thereof..." You do not have a right to decide for other person what form of religion they can practice. You do not have the right to decide where a person can worship (if they so choose) or how a person can worship (if they so choose).

There is no State Supported, State Sanctioned or State Mandated Religion in the United States of America. You do not have the right to use YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD as a weapon against others. You do not have the right, based on YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD what Rights other people may and/or may not have. Your Right to believe in YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD does not mean YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDED FOR OTHERS WHO THEY CAN MARRY, OR WHAT MEDICAL PROCEDURES THEY CAN, AS CITIZENS OF THE U.S. UNDERGO.

Rights are Instituted Among Men, they are NOT derived from YOUR VERSION OF YOUR GOD.

No person, regardless of gender or gender preference . Regardless of Race, Creed, Color or National Origin can be denied a job, a place to live, medical care or "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" because you do not like that person, the color of their skin, where they are from, how they speak, or the person they love.

The Right to Vote is a Constitutionally Protected Right. If you believe that the only way you can win a Election, is Suppress The Vote...that the only way to win is to deny That Constitutionally Protect Right to Vote to a segment of our society, then would it not be a better idea to discover why they do not want to vote for Your Party or Your Candidate and work with those men and women to discover a means by which they would be willing to vote for Your Candidate and Your Party?

Demonizing a class of people because of who they are is wrong. To demand that these people "Show Their Papers" smacks of Dictatorship. This is United States of America, NOT Stalinist Russia, NOT Nazi Germany, NOT Communist China. "The Right of the People To Be Secure In Their Persons, Houses, Papers and Effect, against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures, Shall Not Be Violated". - Fourth Amendment.

America was born out of dissent against the Power, Authority and Majesty of Empire of Great Britain. Do not call those who engage in such dissent Un-American. Dissent is the essence of American Liberty.

The Right to Freedom of Speech and The Right to Freedom of Assembly are just as important as the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Open and honest discussion, absent threats of violence and personal insults is vital to our Nation as a whole.

No one person. No One Man. No One Woman. No One Group Owns The United States.

"We The People" own this country. No person or group of persons has a lock on being a patriot. Love of Country is not based on Political Party.

Instead of engaging in names calling and blaming non-existent evils for Romney's loss, face what the Republican Party has done, both good and bad. Be open and willing to discuss this.

That is what American Democracy is all about.

Well thought out post, and a clear read. I do wish "We The People" helmed our great nation but alas...we're dooling, asleep at the wheel.

 

[Stephanie]

good grief, A INCUMBENT win his re-election and now here comes the Monday morning bullshit of WHY the Rupublican lost..AND it's faily simple...


and don't forget, the Republican party is dead for the 100th time..

 

[jwoodie]

Well, certainly deserving an award for longest Straw Man argument. For example, who says the United States is a "Christian Nation" in anything other than a statistical sense? You then attempt to refute this phony proposition by pointing out that God is only mentioned twice in the Constitution. This argument is not only logically (non sequitur) and factually (Christian and God are not synonymous) inaccurate, it reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between the people and their government upon which our nation is founded, i.e., inalienable rights endowed by our Creator which may not be infringed by government without our consent. But perhaps you have a problem with that concept, too?

 

[Mad Scientist]

After the economy implodes, and if America is still around and we have free elections, the Republican party will be trotted out as the savior.

And Americans will swallow it hook, line and sinker.

 

[Charles_Main]

good grief, A INCUMBENT win his re-election and now here comes the Monday morning bullshit of WHY the Rupublican lost..AND it's faily simple...


and don't forget, the Republican party is dead for the 100th time..

It's not dead steph, but it could be. It is not an exaggeration to say that the GOP has some very serious issues winning National Elections with the Changing Demographics of the country. Those changes will only be more profound in 4 more years.

so it's not dead, but if it does not figure out how to broaden it's base it could be, at least as a national Election Contender.

sadly it seems most of the right anyways are convinced the problem was Romney was a Moderate, and not a "real conservative" They think the 3 million republicans who stayed home did so because of Romney not being conservative enough. even if they are right, they ignore the fact that if you go the other route and nominate a far right social con you might get those 3 million votes back, but you are sure to lose as many if not more from the more Moderate votes in the party.

The GOP can not rely on turning out the base, and not think about broadening the base. going forward in America it is going to be impossible to win the WH with out winning a higher % of the Minority votes than the GOP currently gets. It's only a matter of a decade or so, and you will see States like Texas turning blue if the GOP can not specifically gain favor with the Hispanic Vote for example.

It really is do or die time for the GOP this time IMO.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dems won, and they're still miserable.

Amazing

 

[Stephanie]

Dems won, and they're still miserable.

Amazing

they never are happy..it's always something

 

[Mr. Shaman]

After the economy implodes, and if America is still around and we have free elections, the Republican party will be trotted out as the savior.

And Americans will swallow it hook, line and sinker.

"Holy Shit....it's KARL ROVE!!!!"​

November 10, 2012

The Oracle’s Debacle​

"Rove’s awful election night proved that you can’t buy momentum or create it simply by decreeing it, and that there’s a boundary to what bluster accomplishes. The road he zoomed down in 2012 was toward a potentially diminished place in his party, and Goddangit, baby, he was making good time indeed."

 

[Katzndogz]

Dems won, and they're still miserable.

Amazing

they never are happy..it's always something

They are miserable because as wonderful as they are, and as many miracles as obama has performed almost half the country still opposes them.

 

[Duped]

They lost because more people want free shit than not. When all the morons finally realize that nothing is free there might be hope, but it is probably a couple of decades away - we still have to go through the pain phase which will be horrible!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

They lost because more people want free shit than not.

Please!!

They were SUCKERS for......

....ROVE-SHIT!!!!!

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[LibertyLemming]

Recipe to win elections:

Raise the unemployment rate, lower average incomes, increase poverty especially among minorities and youth, assassinate your own citizen without due process.

 

[bravoactual]

Republicans lost because they are social policy extremists. They alienate most of their moderates and still expect to win the White House?

Yea, good luck with that.

But none the less true.

 

[Defiant1]

Dems won, and they're still miserable.

Amazing

they never are happy..it's always something

They are miserable because as wonderful as they are, and as many miracles as obama has performed almost half the country still opposes them.

They are miserable because they have traded their freedom for a false promise of security and they know it is wrong.

 

[peach174]

Is in fact, fairly simple to explain...

Start with the out and out attempts at Voter Suppression. Republicans can call what they want, it was Voter Suppression. When your party passes laws that effectively deny the Constitutionally Protected Right to Vote, it will have a effect on the outcome of the Election. The people you tried to deny the Constitutionally Protected Right To Vote have this tendency to VOTE AGAINST YOU.

Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania (just to name a few) passed such laws, and who won those States...it sure as hell was NOT ROMNEY.

Next.

If, as part of your political belief system, you say you "Do Not Want The Government In The Doctor's Office", you might try to understand that telling a woman she will be forced to undergo a Vaginal Ultrasound Probe as part of her Constitutionally Protected Right To An Abortion, that you are in fact "Putting The Government In The Doctor's Office". Men receiving a script for their erection do not undergo invasive procedures, yet you have no problem doing such procedures to women. You cannot have it both ways.

One more time ConJobs...America Is Not "A Christian Nation". The Constitution is very clear on this. Religion is mentioned Two (02) Times and Two (02) Times only in the Constitution.

(Powers of TheLegislative) Article VI. Clause III. - "But no Religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office of Public Trust under The United States." No person can forced, intimidates or coerced to accept any form Religious Belief or Religious Philosophy that they do not want. You cannot make a person believe in your form of your god.

Bill of Rights. First Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion or prohibiting the Free Exercise thereof..." You do not have a right to decide for other person what form of religion they can practice. You do not have the right to decide where a person can worship (if they so choose) or how a person can worship (if they so choose).

There is no State Supported, State Sanctioned or State Mandated Religion in the United States of America. You do not have the right to use YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD as a weapon against others. You do not have the right, based on YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD what Rights other people may and/or may not have. Your Right to believe in YOUR VERSION of YOUR GOD does not mean YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDED FOR OTHERS WHO THEY CAN MARRY, OR WHAT MEDICAL PROCEDURES THEY CAN, AS CITIZENS OF THE U.S. UNDERGO.

Rights are Instituted Among Men, they are NOT derived from YOUR VERSION OF YOUR GOD.

No person, regardless of gender or gender preference . Regardless of Race, Creed, Color or National Origin can be denied a job, a place to live, medical care or "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" because you do not like that person, the color of their skin, where they are from, how they speak, or the person they love.

The Right to Vote is a Constitutionally Protected Right. If you believe that the only way you can win a Election, is Suppress The Vote...that the only way to win is to deny That Constitutionally Protect Right to Vote to a segment of our society, then would it not be a better idea to discover why they do not want to vote for Your Party or Your Candidate and work with those men and women to discover a means by which they would be willing to vote for Your Candidate and Your Party?

Demonizing a class of people because of who they are is wrong. To demand that these people "Show Their Papers" smacks of Dictatorship. This is United States of America, NOT Stalinist Russia, NOT Nazi Germany, NOT Communist China. "The Right of the People To Be Secure In Their Persons, Houses, Papers and Effect, against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures, Shall Not Be Violated". - Fourth Amendment.

America was born out of dissent against the Power, Authority and Majesty of Empire of Great Britain. Do not call those who engage in such dissent Un-American. Dissent is the essence of American Liberty.

The Right to Freedom of Speech and The Right to Freedom of Assembly are just as important as the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Open and honest discussion, absent threats of violence and personal insults is vital to our Nation as a whole.

No one person. No One Man. No One Woman. No One Group Owns The United States.

"We The People" own this country. No person or group of persons has a lock on being a patriot. Love of Country is not based on Political Party.

Instead of engaging in names calling and blaming non-existent evils for Romney's loss, face what the Republican Party has done, both good and bad. Be open and willing to discuss this.

That is what American Democracy is all about.

You got any proof that minorities of people in the millions were not able to vote like the left claims?

 

[peach174]

Blacks turned out by huge numbers to vote for Obama.
Not one word nor any reports about millions of blacks not being able to vote. None were turned away.
That was Democrats and the media who pushed the lies about voter suppression and they all bought into it.
Black Voters Turn Out in Big Numbers for Obama - The Daily Beast

 

[candycorn]

good grief, A INCUMBENT win his re-election and now here comes the Monday morning bullshit of WHY the Rupublican lost..AND it's faily simple...


and don't forget, the Republican party is dead for the 100th time..

It's not dead steph, but it could be. It is not an exaggeration to say that the GOP has some very serious issues winning National Elections with the Changing Demographics of the country. Those changes will only be more profound in 4 more years.

so it's not dead, but if it does not figure out how to broaden it's base it could be, at least as a national Election Contender.

sadly it seems most of the right anyways are convinced the problem was Romney was a Moderate, and not a "real conservative" They think the 3 million republicans who stayed home did so because of Romney not being conservative enough. even if they are right, they ignore the fact that if you go the other route and nominate a far right social con you might get those 3 million votes back, but you are sure to lose as many if not more from the more Moderate votes in the party.

The GOP can not rely on turning out the base, and not think about broadening the base. going forward in America it is going to be impossible to win the WH with out winning a higher % of the Minority votes than the GOP currently gets. It's only a matter of a decade or so, and you will see States like Texas turning blue if the GOP can not specifically gain favor with the Hispanic Vote for example.

It really is do or die time for the GOP this time IMO.

How’s that working out for you?