The Republican Collapse

[maineman]

We're not the ones who have two primary candidates meticulously polarizing the party and assuring it's doom in the election.

"assuring its doom"? you sound pretty sure of yourself.

and if you ain't a democrat, you don't have a fucking clue whether or not we are "polarized" or not. I am one... and I attended a contentious caucus.... and every single person in that caucus was of one mind that regardless of who our nominee was, we would work our asses off to get him or her elected. polarized my ass.

 

[AllieBaba]

Are you serious? Lol. Wait..tell me, are you guys one of those "secret" parties, you know, like the Freemasons. Nobody really knows what goes on in the Dem party unless they're a member and know the secret handshake pinky wrap?

Poll after poll shows that the Dems are falling apart over this. Obama supporters claim they'll vote for McCain if Obama loses; Hillary's supporters the same.

It's great! And apparently it's a touchy issue.....which also bodes well for Republicans.

 

[AllieBaba]

"assuring its doom"? you sound pretty sure of yourself.

and if you ain't a democrat, you don't have a fucking clue whether or not we are "polarized" or not. I am one... and I attended a contentious caucus.... and every single person in that caucus was of one mind that regardless of who our nominee was, we would work our asses off to get him or her elected. polarized my ass.

Yes, well, anthills and beehives are all "one mind" as well. But you get rid of the queen and nobody can function.

You guys don't have the ability to overcome this, because none of you have a single value or sense of integrity. It's all about winning at any cost, and "relative" values.

 

[Paulie]

Yes, well, anthills and beehives are all "one mind" as well. But you get rid of the queen and nobody can function.

Well I guess that does it. The social shortcomings of ants and bees will no doubt be spilling over into the human race, and will eventually collapse our entire political system.

 

[maineman]

Are you serious? Lol. Wait..tell me, are you guys one of those "secret" parties, you know, like the Freemasons. Nobody really knows what goes on in the Dem party unless they're a member and know the secret handshake pinky wrap?

Poll after poll shows that the Dems are falling apart over this. Obama supporters claim they'll vote for McCain if Obama loses; Hillary's supporters the same.

It's great! And apparently it's a touchy issue.....which also bodes well for Republicans.

I am a democrat. I go to all the meetings. I am telling you what real rank and file democrats think. We are fighting for our candidates now, but will come together in November because we know what all is at stake.

Again... I would no more try to tell you how republicans are going to vote in the fall than I would try to fly.... but "assured doom"? who the fuck do you think you are, some fucking swami????

 

[jreeves]

Well, you don't follow politics and political punditry much. Its no wonder you are so often wrong about so many things.

David Brooks is a well known, very conservative opinion columnist, and noted Bush apologist.

Guess that's better than claiming the war in Iraq is a 3 trillion dollar war, right?

 

[Zoomie1980]

Can you really say that with a straight face after all these years of rush, coultergeist and the other rabid righties?



I agree...but nor is he liberal. He's just stupid.

He graduated from Yale with a 3.05 GPA. He's not stupid, he's just not a very good public speaker. And he's NOT a conservative at all, for sure. In fact, he has spent more on domestic social programs in inflation adjusted dollars than any President since FDR.

You can say taht, but the people who made policy for most of the last 7 years claimed they were conservatives and sure had a lot to say about "liberals".

The Republican party is no longer conservative, there simply are very few REAL conservatives left in public life any more. They are just left or HARD left as all exercise almost unlimited spending and growth of government. They are conservative on in comparison to the looney secular/socialist left of the Democratic party.

Because the loonies who still apologize for Bush, again, like Rush and coultergeist, keep saying they're conservative.

Conservative talk radio for the past 20 years has finally offered the country a viable balance to the hard-left editorial leanings of the major print and network news outlets.

Just want to point out that Bush didn't win the popular vote in 2000.

And Bill Clinton never won a majority and, in fact never got close to 50% in either election and in 1992 got a paltry 42% of the popular vote. So your point is?

 

[Zoomie1980]

Nah, problem is capitalism is on its last legs LBT. You won't like it but it is. Best to try and cut a deal rather than continue in denialism. You're obfuscating, sue for peace

Actually the only place capitalism is dieing or has died where it once thrived, is socialist western Europe. It is threatened by the left wing of the democratic party in the US as well.

Capitalism is the system of the Global Economy and the fast growing economies in the world today are those of the Pacific Rim and eastern Europe and they are the most unbridled, unregulated economies in the world. They all share one thing in common, they have embraced supply economic principals and the wisdom of very limited government regulatory efforts.

 

[Gunny]

The only real "Republican collapse" is that they are acting like Democrats and are losing their conservative base.

 

[Zoomie1980]

The distinction you fail to make is that corrupt does not equal conservative.

Liberalism is an utter failure because it is odds with fundamental human nature. It assumes we are something we are not, i.e., SELFLESS beings. We are simply not wired to be that way. The only time most act selflessly is when they can afford to. We fundamentally expect and DEMAND the we get return, personally, for our efforts. If I work harder, am smarter, took time and effort to become better educated, I have and expectation of doing much better than those who did not.

Time and time again we are reminded how "shared" things pale in comparison to "private" things. Nothing "shared" has ever really amounted to much. Just compare any public park in your city to a private one, a public bathroom to your own bathroom, a public playground to a private one.

And look at the results of the world's greatest socialist experiment on a national scale, the Soviet Union. It collapsed under it's own bureaucratic weight of state run, and totally failed institutions. And then there's is western Europe where there hasn't been an original commercial idea come to fruit in 30 years, where unemployment has never dropped below 10% (people are screaming in the US at 5.1%) and growth has been stagnant since the mid 1970's.

Classic liberalism as failed everywhere it has been tried. China, Russia, Vietnam, India, as all have achieved growth only when embracing conservative based supply side, capitalistic systems and removed the yoke of government regulation and control over business.

 

[Diuretic]

Actually the only place capitalism is dieing or has died where it once thrived, is socialist western Europe. It is threatened by the left wing of the democratic party in the US as well.

Capitalism is the system of the Global Economy and the fast growing economies in the world today are those of the Pacific Rim and eastern Europe and they are the most unbridled, unregulated economies in the world. They all share one thing in common, they have embraced supply economic principals and the wisdom of very limited government regulatory efforts.

Yep and athletes going to Beijing are worried about the air there.

http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/ethiopas-gebre-selassie-wont-run-beijing-olympics-too-much-pollution

Capitalism is rapacious, it needs to be strongly regulated.

 

[Gunny]

Yep and athletes going to Beijing are worried about the air there.

http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/ethiopas-gebre-selassie-wont-run-beijing-olympics-too-much-pollution

Capitalism is rapacious, it needs to be strongly regulated.

Only where it puts itself above national interest. There is nothing wrong with people who do more getting more. It's absolutely sound logic.

Anything else is theft.

 

[Zoomie1980]

I am a democrat. I go to all the meetings. I am telling you what real rank and file democrats think. We are fighting for our candidates now, but will come together in November because we know what all is at stake.

Again... I would no more try to tell you how republicans are going to vote in the fall than I would try to fly.... but "assured doom"? who the fuck do you think you are, some fucking swami????

You no rank and file if you go to all the meetings. That qualifies you as a zealot and decidedly NOT normal rank and file.

This election is all about the 15% or so of those "independents". Many of those voted in primaries and caucuses as I did, caucessing for Joe Biden, but most are NOT democratic even though they elected to vote in that side's primary. Myself, I can't stand either dem candidate and will vote for McCain as usual, voting for the least repugnant candidate...at least he put in on the line by serving in the military and being a POW for five years.

 

[Gunny]

You no rank and file if you go to all the meetings. That qualifies you as a zealot and decidedly NOT normal rank and file.

This election is all about the 15% or so of those "independents". Many of those voted in primaries and caucuses as I did, caucessing for Joe Biden, but most are NOT democratic even though they elected to vote in that side's primary. Myself, I can't stand either dem candidate and will vote for McCain as usual, voting for the least repugnant candidate...at least he put in on the line by serving in the military and being a POW for five years.

If Biden were the Democrat nominee I'd vote for him.

 

[maineman]

You no rank and file if you go to all the meetings. That qualifies you as a zealot and decidedly NOT normal rank and file.

This election is all about the 15% or so of those "independents". Many of those voted in primaries and caucuses as I did, caucessing for Joe Biden, but most are NOT democratic even though they elected to vote in that side's primary. Myself, I can't stand either dem candidate and will vote for McCain as usual, voting for the least repugnant candidate...at least he put in on the line by serving in the military and being a POW for five years.

ZEALOT? go fuck yourself. I am no ZEALOT. I am a democratic county committee member.

And being shot down and captured is qualification to be president?

 

[jillian]

If Biden were the Democrat nominee I'd vote for him.

He'd have been my candidate, too. And I was reminded yesterday, during the Petraeus thing, just how sorry I am that he didn't get anywhere with his campaign. Bummer that he doesn't have an ounce of charisma.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I'm with Gunny and Jillian. I'd vote for Biden too if he were the dem.

 

[Diuretic]

Only where it puts itself above national interest. There is nothing wrong with people who do more getting more. It's absolutely sound logic.

Anything else is theft.

It's never concerned with the national interest, well that is to say that capitalists and corporationists aren't concerned with the national interest, they have to be made to be concerned with the national interest by regulation.

 

[AllieBaba]

ZEALOT? go fuck yourself. I am no ZEALOT. I am a democratic county committee member.

And being shot down and captured is qualification to be president?

You're a zealot. You've proved yourself one over and over, the latest being this thread, when you get worked up over the very idea that any Republican could possibly know ANYTHING about the Dem party.

 

[midcan5]

Actually the only place capitalism is dieing or has died where it once thrived, is socialist western Europe. It is threatened by the left wing of the democratic party in the US as well.

The trouble is the best working systems today are located in Europe, I am thinking especially of Denmark a place you would call socialist. It seems a balance is required and unfettered capitalism is as bad any other system.

"If you believe the conservative rhetoric on economics, this combination of high taxes, a large public sector, and lavish welfare benefits ought to be killing the Danish economy. But it's not. In fact, Denmark's economy has thrived. And nowhere is that more apparent than in the job market. By the time Rasmussen left office in 2001, the unemployment rate had fallen from a 1994 peak of 9.6 percent to 4.3 percent; in 2002, it fell below the U.S. rate, where it has remained ever since. For the most recent quarter of 2006, Denmark's standardized unemployment rate was 3.6 percent, compared with 4.7 percent in the United States. Moreover, while Europe has a reputation for fostering cadres of idle youth (a reputation that, in countries like France, has at least some basis in reality), in Denmark, a mere 3 percent of its 15- to 19-year-olds are neither in school nor working--the second-best rate in the developed world. (Tiny Luxembourg is first.) In the United States, by comparison, the figure is about 7 percent."

http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/07/wf010507.htm