ArmyCowboy
The Dark Lord
Your posts on the subkect tell an entirely different story.
Really, what's your MOS?
Currently 79S, previously 14S.
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Your posts on the subkect tell an entirely different story.
Really, what's your MOS?
Currently 79S, previously 14S.
Women are just as self concerned are as men. If some of our men could have become pregnant to avoid deployment, the would have done it. I had to put one of our female E5s in a holding cell over night to catch her attention that she would do it the right way or she would separated from her family for a considerable time.
I agree that we have situations that will need to be worked through until we get it right.
Oh, believe me, I knew guys that I don't doubt for a second would have exploited pregnancy to escape deployment. The biological reality remains that women can and men cannot.
Overall I think it is one of the more fascinating developments in our ever evolving nation to come along, and I will certainly be following it.
This is NOT an attempt to disparage anyone here. However, this is an excellent point that you made.
How many women, say, in the Navy for example, are suddenly "pregnant" when it is time for sea duty? I don't know the answer to this. How many female soldiers or marines do the same? Again, I have no idea, but I'm relatively certain that it happens. To what extent, I couldn't tell you.
The interesting point to ponder, however, is this: If a female can avoid deployment to a combat theater when pregnant, then shouldn't the husband (a soldier) of a female who has orders for deployment be able to claim his need to stay home and support his pregnant Wife?
Obviously it sounds shady, but I live by the idea of "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander". This is that "slippery slope" that we enter into when we dramatically change what has been the "norm" for hundreds of years.....
Oh, believe me, I knew guys that I don't doubt for a second would have exploited pregnancy to escape deployment. The biological reality remains that women can and men cannot.
Overall I think it is one of the more fascinating developments in our ever evolving nation to come along, and I will certainly be following it.
This is NOT an attempt to disparage anyone here. However, this is an excellent point that you made.
How many women, say, in the Navy for example, are suddenly "pregnant" when it is time for sea duty? I don't know the answer to this. How many female soldiers or marines do the same? Again, I have no idea, but I'm relatively certain that it happens. To what extent, I couldn't tell you.
The interesting point to ponder, however, is this: If a female can avoid deployment to a combat theater when pregnant, then shouldn't the husband (a soldier) of a female who has orders for deployment be able to claim his need to stay home and support his pregnant Wife?
Obviously it sounds shady, but I live by the idea of "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander". This is that "slippery slope" that we enter into when we dramatically change what has been the "norm" for hundreds of years.....
I don't know the extent of the factor either. It's interesting to note that some Internet research turns up little, and most of it seems to lean that it is a small factor, while my experience was just the opposite. So, was my command exceptional in that regard, I do not know. I do know that I was shocked at the spike, and remember corpsmen down in Medical commenting about the pre-deployment spike being typical. I don't doubt some of that was the typical male resentment talking, but still.
I mention it as a concern to look at, for whatever it is worth. If pre-deployment pregnancy spikes were significant, then it would affect operations, and it is something that cannot be ignored for the sake of making a social change happen. Other prior service members have voiced either similar concerns or something different. All I can do is take my fellow veterans' word for it on their experiences. I was not in combat, and the closest I came to a firefight was standing by on watch with my weapon pointed at a target awaiting the order to fire that didn't come. So if those that have been in combat relate a different experience, I can't very well support or deny their claims.
Randall Flagg continues to deflect from the fact that women do, have, and will continue to serve in combat. The law catches up to reality. RF's reality was a long, long time ago.
Randall Flagg continues to deflect from the fact that women do, have, and will continue to serve in combat. The law catches up to reality. RF's reality was a long, long time ago.
I've found it's useless to have a debate on this subject when someone starts off their post with "Back when I served" and its the '70's or before.
Very similar to the whole DADT debate, honestly.
Randall Flagg continues to deflect from the fact that women do, have, and will continue to serve in combat. The law catches up to reality. RF's reality was a long, long time ago.
I've found it's useless to have a debate on this subject when someone starts off their post with "Back when I served" and its the '70's or before.
Very similar to the whole DADT debate, honestly.
Yeah, you and that Starkey fellow are right. I'm just an old man who should just shut up and die. It'll happen. I'll be dead and gone and moronic fools like you two will still be telling everyone how "great" you are. losers.
Randall Flagg, you served, thank you for that. I served. Our day is over. Women are going to serve in combat arms if they qualify. Let it go.
And don't ever play the victim here again; veterans should never do that.
Randall Flagg, you served, thank you for that. I served. Our day is over. Women are going to serve in combat arms if they qualify. Let it go.
And don't ever play the victim here again; veterans should never do that.
Look here, General. I've seen your type all my life. You thank a vet for his service then shove a knife in his back when it serves your purpose. I neither desire your "thanks" nor accept it.
I don't give a hoot in hell if women serve in combat. YOU use them for political purposes and cast them aside. You are as transparent as Saran Wrap.
OUR day is over? You never had a "day" You fool no one you REMF.