The Real Story of the Stem Cell Debate

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Medical writer Michael Fumento has a handle on some of the reasons most folks imagine that embryonic cell search deserves research funds and media attention...

From his article "Why The Media Miss The Stem-Cell Story:"

1. "There’s little doubt that opponents of embryonic stem cell (ESC) research have their work cut out for them. Polls repeatedly show large majorities (in the 60-70 percent range) want the federal government to promote and fund the research.

2. …the polls often feature loaded questions that begin with tales of the medical miracles ESCs will allegedly bring us: cures for Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, you name it….they don’t mention possible alternatives – namely, so-called adult stem cells (ASCs), which are obtained without the ethical conflicts of harvesting human embryos.

3. But the biggest reason may simply be that the mainstream media are doing a lousy job of informing the public on the state of stem-cell science. By and large, they’re telling people all about the potential of ESCs – especially the supposed ability to become any type of cell-without talking about certain little drawbacks, like a tendency for ESCs to be rejected and even to become cancerous.

4. As a science writer who has covered the topic extensively, I know something about this. I see the media coverage practically every day. On rare occasions I’ll find blatant falsehoods: Last August, for example, influential New York Times science writer Gina Kolata told readers "so far, no one has succeeded" in getting adult stem cells to treat diseases. That statement either reveals startling ignorance or is an outright lie: Adult stem cells routinely treat or cure more than 80 different diseases, while no ESC research is anywhere near becoming a human clinical trial.

a. In a recent Washington Monthly piece by Chris Mooney, for example, Weissman claimed there is "no independently verified evidence today" that a non-embryonic stem cell of one type "can turn into another [type of] tissue at all." Sure, that claim is contradicted by countless published, peer-reviewed papers to the contrary, all available at the push of a few keys at the free Internet database PubMed.

5. I talked to a number of stem-cell researchers and the only journalist willing to be interviewed for this story and found a consensus that there’s a strong media bias. What interested me most, though, were their thoughts on how and why that bias comes into play – and the role of factors like attitudes toward religion, manipulation by the pro-ESC lobby, and just plain ignorance and laziness.

6. Many pro-lifers suspect that the media’s pro-ESC bias has to do with their politics on issues like abortion and euthanasia. There may be something to that, but it’s hard to pinpoint. The only major example is a 2001 Newsweek column by Anna Quindlen, who spoke warmly of the prospect that fetal-tissue and ESC treatments could soften public opposition toward abortion, bringing "a certain long-overdue relativism to discussions of abortion across the board."

7. More likely what’s going on involves reporters’ attitudes toward religion-or more precisely, religion in science and public-policy debates. In their minds, ESC backers have a purely scientific motivation while ASC backers have a religious one. Many journalists may see themselves as defending science against religion: They may have missed Galileo’s trial, but by golly they’re here for this one. (That attitude is sometimes seen most clearly outside the mainstream media. In the liberal magazine The American Prospect, for example, Chris Mooney wrote a recent piece sneering at "the Christian right’s new ’science.’ ")

8. As these reporters picture themselves standing for the cause of reason against the forces of dogma, they also don’t realize that the ESC research vocabulary-so filled with "mays" and "coulds" and "one days," promising a miraculous future somewhere down the road-reflects a dogma all its own.

9. Consider Harvard’s Douglas Melton, a diabetes researcher better known for attacking successful ASC efforts than making any real progress on his own with ESCs. He’s one of the most-quoted stem-cell experts in the country, and was named last year’s Policy Leader of the Year for 2004 by the politically correct Scientific American for having "advocated and enabled more extensive studies of embryonic stem cells." But what, precisely, has Melton accomplished toward curing diabetes with ESCs? When interviewed by The Wall Street Journal last year, the most he could say was "We are convinced we can do it. We just don’t know how." That’s not science; that’s faith. But it’s not a religious faith, and so reporters don’t see it for what it is.1

0. The very fact that the science isn’t on their side dictates that the ESC lobby must do something to make up for it – so they work the press, to their benefit. ASC researchers feel much less pressure, often believing success is the best PR – so they neglect the press, to their detriment.

11. In a November 2002 article, Munro lambasted the media for almost never informing "readers that these supposedly disinterested scientists have great financial stakes in the debate." That hasn’t changed. Indeed, a Nexis search this March found over 600 mentions of Weissman and stem cells, but only 23 that included his affiliation with Stem Cells, Inc.; the rest merely associated him with Stanford. There were 344 mentions of Melton and stem cells mentioning his Harvard connection; just two mentioned Curis (and one of those was written by Munro). "Reporters don’t treat scientists as entrepreneurs," says Munro, "and I suspect it has something to do with scientists advertising their affiliation with universities rather than traditional corporations," he says.

12. Which brings out yet another irony. Embryonic stem-cell backers often charge their critics with caring for abstract religious doctrine, not for suffering people. Yet that description arguably may be best suited to many if not most of the ESC advocates themselves. ASC researchers, on the other hand, are almost always practicing physicians. They watch people suffer; they watch them die. They want to help them and to do so as soon as possible.

Read the article at:
Michael Fumento: Why the Media Miss the Stem-Cell Story
 
Amazing how incapable the media in general are to handle issues more complicated than the Oscars.

M. Fumento is a hero for all of his work to point out the incompentence, bias and laziness in the media.

Public opinion is worth a lot less than it USED to be eh?
 
Amazing how incapable the media in general are to handle issues more complicated than the Oscars.

M. Fumento is a hero for all of his work to point out the incompentence, bias and laziness in the media.

Public opinion is worth a lot less than it USED to be eh?

On the contrary, I think it's worth about what it always was. The difference is, more people now are aware of how little that actually is.

My husband and I were flipping through TV channels the other night, bored out of our minds, and he decided to stop on a "House" rerun. In this episode, House lambasts and ridicules a patient for being foolish enough to believe in God (apparently not an uncommon occurrence). THEN he dramatically announces that the only POSSIBLE hope for the guy not to die in the next five minutes (and I don't mean just five minutes worth of the show) is for him to agree to a treatment involving embryonic stem cells. Naturally, the religious lunatic patient would NEVER agree to such a thing, so House "nobly" tricks him into believing God has abandoned him so that he accepts the "cure". His condition clears up in a matter of minutes (again, not just minutes in terms of the runtime of the show, but literally in minutes according to the STORY), and House smugly tells him how he was duped for his own good.

Now, knowing as my husband and I do that there is no such cure for ANY disease involving ESC, nor anything even approaching the possibility of one, and having very little tolerance for such blatant religious bigotry and hatred, "House" is banned in our household from this moment forward, much as we would ban "At Home with the Klan", if such a show existed.

So, SOOO tired of this misrepresentation in all branches of the mainstream media, be it "news" or "entertainment". If you have to lie about your side of the debate, you've already lost.
 
Medical writer Michael Fumento has a handle on some of the reasons most folks imagine that embryonic cell search deserves research funds and media attention...

From his article "Why The Media Miss The Stem-Cell Story:"

1. "There’s little doubt that opponents of embryonic stem cell (ESC) research have their work cut out for them. Polls repeatedly show large majorities (in the 60-70 percent range) want the federal government to promote and fund the research.

2. …the polls often feature loaded questions that begin with tales of the medical miracles ESCs will allegedly bring us: cures for Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, you name it….they don’t mention possible alternatives – namely, so-called adult stem cells (ASCs), which are obtained without the ethical conflicts of harvesting human embryos.

3. But the biggest reason may simply be that the mainstream media are doing a lousy job of informing the public on the state of stem-cell science. By and large, they’re telling people all about the potential of ESCs – especially the supposed ability to become any type of cell-without talking about certain little drawbacks, like a tendency for ESCs to be rejected and even to become cancerous.

4. As a science writer who has covered the topic extensively, I know something about this. I see the media coverage practically every day. On rare occasions I’ll find blatant falsehoods: Last August, for example, influential New York Times science writer Gina Kolata told readers "so far, no one has succeeded" in getting adult stem cells to treat diseases. That statement either reveals startling ignorance or is an outright lie: Adult stem cells routinely treat or cure more than 80 different diseases, while no ESC research is anywhere near becoming a human clinical trial.

a. In a recent Washington Monthly piece by Chris Mooney, for example, Weissman claimed there is "no independently verified evidence today" that a non-embryonic stem cell of one type "can turn into another [type of] tissue at all." Sure, that claim is contradicted by countless published, peer-reviewed papers to the contrary, all available at the push of a few keys at the free Internet database PubMed.

5. I talked to a number of stem-cell researchers and the only journalist willing to be interviewed for this story and found a consensus that there’s a strong media bias. What interested me most, though, were their thoughts on how and why that bias comes into play – and the role of factors like attitudes toward religion, manipulation by the pro-ESC lobby, and just plain ignorance and laziness.

6. Many pro-lifers suspect that the media’s pro-ESC bias has to do with their politics on issues like abortion and euthanasia. There may be something to that, but it’s hard to pinpoint. The only major example is a 2001 Newsweek column by Anna Quindlen, who spoke warmly of the prospect that fetal-tissue and ESC treatments could soften public opposition toward abortion, bringing "a certain long-overdue relativism to discussions of abortion across the board."

7. More likely what’s going on involves reporters’ attitudes toward religion-or more precisely, religion in science and public-policy debates. In their minds, ESC backers have a purely scientific motivation while ASC backers have a religious one. Many journalists may see themselves as defending science against religion: They may have missed Galileo’s trial, but by golly they’re here for this one. (That attitude is sometimes seen most clearly outside the mainstream media. In the liberal magazine The American Prospect, for example, Chris Mooney wrote a recent piece sneering at "the Christian right’s new ’science.’ ")

8. As these reporters picture themselves standing for the cause of reason against the forces of dogma, they also don’t realize that the ESC research vocabulary-so filled with "mays" and "coulds" and "one days," promising a miraculous future somewhere down the road-reflects a dogma all its own.

9. Consider Harvard’s Douglas Melton, a diabetes researcher better known for attacking successful ASC efforts than making any real progress on his own with ESCs. He’s one of the most-quoted stem-cell experts in the country, and was named last year’s Policy Leader of the Year for 2004 by the politically correct Scientific American for having "advocated and enabled more extensive studies of embryonic stem cells." But what, precisely, has Melton accomplished toward curing diabetes with ESCs? When interviewed by The Wall Street Journal last year, the most he could say was "We are convinced we can do it. We just don’t know how." That’s not science; that’s faith. But it’s not a religious faith, and so reporters don’t see it for what it is.1

0. The very fact that the science isn’t on their side dictates that the ESC lobby must do something to make up for it – so they work the press, to their benefit. ASC researchers feel much less pressure, often believing success is the best PR – so they neglect the press, to their detriment.

11. In a November 2002 article, Munro lambasted the media for almost never informing "readers that these supposedly disinterested scientists have great financial stakes in the debate." That hasn’t changed. Indeed, a Nexis search this March found over 600 mentions of Weissman and stem cells, but only 23 that included his affiliation with Stem Cells, Inc.; the rest merely associated him with Stanford. There were 344 mentions of Melton and stem cells mentioning his Harvard connection; just two mentioned Curis (and one of those was written by Munro). "Reporters don’t treat scientists as entrepreneurs," says Munro, "and I suspect it has something to do with scientists advertising their affiliation with universities rather than traditional corporations," he says.

12. Which brings out yet another irony. Embryonic stem-cell backers often charge their critics with caring for abstract religious doctrine, not for suffering people. Yet that description arguably may be best suited to many if not most of the ESC advocates themselves. ASC researchers, on the other hand, are almost always practicing physicians. They watch people suffer; they watch them die. They want to help them and to do so as soon as possible.

Read the article at:
Michael Fumento: Why the Media Miss the Stem-Cell Story

What's your agenda PC?
 
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Medical writer Michael Fumento has a handle on some of the reasons most folks imagine that embryonic cell search deserves research funds and media attention...

From his article "Why The Media Miss The Stem-Cell Story:"

1. "There’s little doubt that opponents of embryonic stem cell (ESC) research have their work cut out for them. Polls repeatedly show large majorities (in the 60-70 percent range) want the federal government to promote and fund the research.

2. …the polls often feature loaded questions that begin with tales of the medical miracles ESCs will allegedly bring us: cures for Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, you name it….they don’t mention possible alternatives – namely, so-called adult stem cells (ASCs), which are obtained without the ethical conflicts of harvesting human embryos.

3. But the biggest reason may simply be that the mainstream media are doing a lousy job of informing the public on the state of stem-cell science. By and large, they’re telling people all about the potential of ESCs – especially the supposed ability to become any type of cell-without talking about certain little drawbacks, like a tendency for ESCs to be rejected and even to become cancerous.

4. As a science writer who has covered the topic extensively, I know something about this. I see the media coverage practically every day. On rare occasions I’ll find blatant falsehoods: Last August, for example, influential New York Times science writer Gina Kolata told readers "so far, no one has succeeded" in getting adult stem cells to treat diseases. That statement either reveals startling ignorance or is an outright lie: Adult stem cells routinely treat or cure more than 80 different diseases, while no ESC research is anywhere near becoming a human clinical trial.

a. In a recent Washington Monthly piece by Chris Mooney, for example, Weissman claimed there is "no independently verified evidence today" that a non-embryonic stem cell of one type "can turn into another [type of] tissue at all." Sure, that claim is contradicted by countless published, peer-reviewed papers to the contrary, all available at the push of a few keys at the free Internet database PubMed.

5. I talked to a number of stem-cell researchers and the only journalist willing to be interviewed for this story and found a consensus that there’s a strong media bias. What interested me most, though, were their thoughts on how and why that bias comes into play – and the role of factors like attitudes toward religion, manipulation by the pro-ESC lobby, and just plain ignorance and laziness.

6. Many pro-lifers suspect that the media’s pro-ESC bias has to do with their politics on issues like abortion and euthanasia. There may be something to that, but it’s hard to pinpoint. The only major example is a 2001 Newsweek column by Anna Quindlen, who spoke warmly of the prospect that fetal-tissue and ESC treatments could soften public opposition toward abortion, bringing "a certain long-overdue relativism to discussions of abortion across the board."

7. More likely what’s going on involves reporters’ attitudes toward religion-or more precisely, religion in science and public-policy debates. In their minds, ESC backers have a purely scientific motivation while ASC backers have a religious one. Many journalists may see themselves as defending science against religion: They may have missed Galileo’s trial, but by golly they’re here for this one. (That attitude is sometimes seen most clearly outside the mainstream media. In the liberal magazine The American Prospect, for example, Chris Mooney wrote a recent piece sneering at "the Christian right’s new ’science.’ ")

8. As these reporters picture themselves standing for the cause of reason against the forces of dogma, they also don’t realize that the ESC research vocabulary-so filled with "mays" and "coulds" and "one days," promising a miraculous future somewhere down the road-reflects a dogma all its own.

9. Consider Harvard’s Douglas Melton, a diabetes researcher better known for attacking successful ASC efforts than making any real progress on his own with ESCs. He’s one of the most-quoted stem-cell experts in the country, and was named last year’s Policy Leader of the Year for 2004 by the politically correct Scientific American for having "advocated and enabled more extensive studies of embryonic stem cells." But what, precisely, has Melton accomplished toward curing diabetes with ESCs? When interviewed by The Wall Street Journal last year, the most he could say was "We are convinced we can do it. We just don’t know how." That’s not science; that’s faith. But it’s not a religious faith, and so reporters don’t see it for what it is.1

0. The very fact that the science isn’t on their side dictates that the ESC lobby must do something to make up for it – so they work the press, to their benefit. ASC researchers feel much less pressure, often believing success is the best PR – so they neglect the press, to their detriment.

11. In a November 2002 article, Munro lambasted the media for almost never informing "readers that these supposedly disinterested scientists have great financial stakes in the debate." That hasn’t changed. Indeed, a Nexis search this March found over 600 mentions of Weissman and stem cells, but only 23 that included his affiliation with Stem Cells, Inc.; the rest merely associated him with Stanford. There were 344 mentions of Melton and stem cells mentioning his Harvard connection; just two mentioned Curis (and one of those was written by Munro). "Reporters don’t treat scientists as entrepreneurs," says Munro, "and I suspect it has something to do with scientists advertising their affiliation with universities rather than traditional corporations," he says.

12. Which brings out yet another irony. Embryonic stem-cell backers often charge their critics with caring for abstract religious doctrine, not for suffering people. Yet that description arguably may be best suited to many if not most of the ESC advocates themselves. ASC researchers, on the other hand, are almost always practicing physicians. They watch people suffer; they watch them die. They want to help them and to do so as soon as possible.

Read the article at:
Michael Fumento: Why the Media Miss the Stem-Cell Story

What's you agenda PC?

Looks to me like the agenda is "Telling the Truth", one that I realize always makes you froth at the mouth.
 
"Froth at the mouth"? The Truth? I suppose one who forms opinions from a Fox TV show and concludes it is broadcastin a liberal agenda is a tad mixed up. But that's conjecture. Hoping you're not one of the willfully ignorant - though posting an ad hominem so quickly makes you suspect - I offer the following as a counterpoint to the news report posted by PC.

It's short, to the point and produced by the National Institute of Health:

Stem Cell Basics: Introduction [Stem Cell Information]
 
Amazing how incapable the media in general are to handle issues more complicated than the Oscars.

M. Fumento is a hero for all of his work to point out the incompentence, bias and laziness in the media.

Public opinion is worth a lot less than it USED to be eh?

On the contrary, I think it's worth about what it always was. The difference is, more people now are aware of how little that actually is.

My husband and I were flipping through TV channels the other night, bored out of our minds, and he decided to stop on a "House" rerun. In this episode, House lambasts and ridicules a patient for being foolish enough to believe in God (apparently not an uncommon occurrence). THEN he dramatically announces that the only POSSIBLE hope for the guy not to die in the next five minutes (and I don't mean just five minutes worth of the show) is for him to agree to a treatment involving embryonic stem cells. Naturally, the religious lunatic patient would NEVER agree to such a thing, so House "nobly" tricks him into believing God has abandoned him so that he accepts the "cure". His condition clears up in a matter of minutes (again, not just minutes in terms of the runtime of the show, but literally in minutes according to the STORY), and House smugly tells him how he was duped for his own good.

Now, knowing as my husband and I do that there is no such cure for ANY disease involving ESC, nor anything even approaching the possibility of one, and having very little tolerance for such blatant religious bigotry and hatred, "House" is banned in our household from this moment forward, much as we would ban "At Home with the Klan", if such a show existed.

So, SOOO tired of this misrepresentation in all branches of the mainstream media, be it "news" or "entertainment". If you have to lie about your side of the debate, you've already lost.

Saw that.. But I figured it was also a good parable about "do-gooders" and their "end justifies the means" arguments. The ARROGANCE made me mad. The "curing" part was just laughable.

If you keep banning shows on political content, pretty soon you might as well use the "aquarium screen-saver" on your 52" TV. Comcast provides one "on demand".
 
What's you agenda PC?

her agenda is that she'd rather living people die than use embryonic stem cells to save lives. so she and the other propagandists keep spewing.

Oh? SHE'S a propagandist, is she? Then please name for us ONE treatment to "save lives" from embryonic stem cells, you lying sack. Name us one that's even in human trials.

Someone around here is spewing, and as usual, the vomiter in question is YOU.
 
Amazing how incapable the media in general are to handle issues more complicated than the Oscars.

M. Fumento is a hero for all of his work to point out the incompentence, bias and laziness in the media.

Public opinion is worth a lot less than it USED to be eh?

On the contrary, I think it's worth about what it always was. The difference is, more people now are aware of how little that actually is.

My husband and I were flipping through TV channels the other night, bored out of our minds, and he decided to stop on a "House" rerun. In this episode, House lambasts and ridicules a patient for being foolish enough to believe in God (apparently not an uncommon occurrence). THEN he dramatically announces that the only POSSIBLE hope for the guy not to die in the next five minutes (and I don't mean just five minutes worth of the show) is for him to agree to a treatment involving embryonic stem cells. Naturally, the religious lunatic patient would NEVER agree to such a thing, so House "nobly" tricks him into believing God has abandoned him so that he accepts the "cure". His condition clears up in a matter of minutes (again, not just minutes in terms of the runtime of the show, but literally in minutes according to the STORY), and House smugly tells him how he was duped for his own good.

Now, knowing as my husband and I do that there is no such cure for ANY disease involving ESC, nor anything even approaching the possibility of one, and having very little tolerance for such blatant religious bigotry and hatred, "House" is banned in our household from this moment forward, much as we would ban "At Home with the Klan", if such a show existed.

So, SOOO tired of this misrepresentation in all branches of the mainstream media, be it "news" or "entertainment". If you have to lie about your side of the debate, you've already lost.

Saw that.. But I figured it was also a good parable about "do-gooders" and their "end justifies the means" arguments. The ARROGANCE made me mad. The "curing" part was just laughable.

If you keep banning shows on political content, pretty soon you might as well use the "aquarium screen-saver" on your 52" TV. Comcast provides one "on demand".

Oh, it was a good EXAMPLE of so-called "do-gooders" and their behavior, but it wasn't intended to be a parable of any kind, let alone that kind.

I don't ban shows on political content. I ban them for lying, much as I do individuals. I don't waste time on liars, and I don't waste time on ignorant bigots (I realize that's redundant).
 
What's you agenda PC?

her agenda is that she'd rather living people die than use embryonic stem cells to save lives. so she and the other propagandists keep spewing.

Oh? SHE'S a propagandist, is she? Then please name for us ONE treatment to "save lives" from embryonic stem cells, you lying sack. Name us one that's even in human trials.

Someone around here is spewing, and as usual, the vomiter in question is YOU.

yes she is. and i know it's difficult for you to keep a civil tongue in your head, but the world really isn't as unrelentingly black and white as you pretend.

you're a loon.

but thanks for the spew.

stay classy!
 
her agenda is that she'd rather living people die than use embryonic stem cells to save lives. so she and the other propagandists keep spewing.

Oh? SHE'S a propagandist, is she? Then please name for us ONE treatment to "save lives" from embryonic stem cells, you lying sack. Name us one that's even in human trials.

Someone around here is spewing, and as usual, the vomiter in question is YOU.

yes she is. and i know it's difficult for you to keep a civil tongue in your head, but the world really isn't as unrelentingly black and white as you pretend.

you're a loon.

but thanks for the spew.

stay classy!

I don't have trouble being civil. I just don't waste the energy on lying trash that doesn't deserve it. I believe in giving people exactly the amount of respect they earn, although in your case, I often think I'm being generous.

Thanks for proving me right about your lies concerning embryonic stem cells. Be sure to continue it by "mysteriously" never answering the question.

I am now counting how many pages you will continue to run your filthy gums without EVER listing a single "life-saving" treatment from ESC.
 
PLEASE!

Can I get just ONE person who accuses Michael Fumento of "having an agenda" or being wrong on any of the items posted ---

to REFUTE ONE OF THEM?

No wonder the state of journalism is in the crapper.. Americans don't need information anymore. They think spinning and accusing is sufficient. TO WIT: Fumento Item #10

The very fact that the science isn’t on their side dictates that the ESC lobby must do something to make up for it – so they work the press, to their benefit. ASC researchers feel much less pressure, often believing success is the best PR – so they neglect the press, to their detriment.

He just NAILED you guys....
 
What's you agenda PC?

her agenda is that she'd rather living people die than use embryonic stem cells to save lives. so she and the other propagandists keep spewing.

Oh? SHE'S a propagandist, is she? Then please name for us ONE treatment to "save lives" from embryonic stem cells, you lying sack. Name us one that's even in human trials.

Someone around here is spewing, and as usual, the vomiter in question is YOU.

Wow are you nasty. I suppose my instinct was correct, you are one of the willfully ignorant.

Do you know what precedes threatment? Research. Did Boooooosh restrict research? Yep Ma'am, he show nuff did. Did that slow research? Yep, uh huh. Y'all have a good evening now ma'am.

For those not willfully ignorant, a refresher:

Stem Cell Basics [Stem Cell Information]
 
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her agenda is that she'd rather living people die than use embryonic stem cells to save lives. so she and the other propagandists keep spewing.

Oh? SHE'S a propagandist, is she? Then please name for us ONE treatment to "save lives" from embryonic stem cells, you lying sack. Name us one that's even in human trials.

Someone around here is spewing, and as usual, the vomiter in question is YOU.

Wow are you nasty. I suppose my instinct was correct, you are one of the willfully ignorant.

Do you know what precedes threatment? Research. Did Boooooosh restrict research? Yep Ma'am, he show nuff did. Did that slow research? Yep, uh huh. Y'all have a good evening now ma'am.

For those not willfully ignorant, a refresher:

Stem Cell Basics [Stem Cell Information]

Yeah, I'M willfully ignorant. That's why YOU are churning out lies and screeching about "Bush!!!"

Wry Lie #1: Bush restricted research.

No, he didn't. There is not, and never has been, any restriction on research into embryonic stem cell research. What Bush actually did was limit FEDERAL FUNDING. Despite what leftists believe, NOTHING gets unlimited federal funding, nor is federal funding necessary for research to happen . . . unless you're researching something that private money isn't interested in, because it leads nowhere but the advancement of a political agenda.

Wry Lie #2: Embryonic stem cells has no cures because it hasn't had enough research time to find them. (And yes, this IS what he was trying to say, so spare me the screams of, "He never said those words!")

Embryonic stem cell research has had the same amount of time adult stem cell research has had. Yet adult stem cell therapies are routinely used now, and ESCR hasn't produced even one that has gotten as far as human trials, let alone actually cured anything.

Wry Lie #3: The NIH contradicts what Cecilie and her colleagues have to say about ESCR.

No, they don't, although I know that's what you'd like everyone to think by including a generic link to their stem cell page. If you can show me a SPECIFIC QUOTE from them that DOES contradict me, go ahead.

I don't deny that the NIH would LOVE to get all the federal funding they can for ESCR, and for anything else they can, but the money-grubbing of government scientists proves nothing to me except that scientists are greedy just like everyone else.
 
Bush restricted the research, your spin attempt so acknowledges.

I didn't post anything about cures, but you know that. I stated research comes before treatments.

I didn't suggest that the article linked contradicted anything you posted, I simply pointed how nasty you are and offered another's opinon. One which I believe has more credability than that of a reporter. However, I did not make any judgments, a medical researcher I am not.

Casting unsupported allegations of wrongdoing by the NIH becasue you disagree with their findings or research is at best dishonest; when said research has the potential to save lives, restore ones ability to walk and live a full life it is more than dishonest, it is evil.

P.S.; I reread your post. I do not screech, but in reading your post the words you use and their tone is very much a screech. A sound not unlike the sound of a bird of prey, the sound of a bird brain.
 
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Since the nasty one ran away, let me post this from the link above:

Have human embryonic stem cells successfully treated any human diseases?

"Scientists have been able to do experiments with human embryonic stem cells (hESC) only since 1998, when a group led by Dr. James Thomson at the University of Wisconsin developed a technique to isolate and grow the cells. Although hESCs are thought to offer potential cures and therapies for many devastating diseases, research using them is still in its early stages"

The link provides information on something which most lay people might not have come across; it is interesting if one is interested, apparently the nasty one is not.
 
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What's you agenda PC?

her agenda is that she'd rather living people die than use embryonic stem cells to save lives. so she and the other propagandists keep spewing.

I truly appreciate it when one on the Left, such as you, reveal what is known as 'vicible ignorance', yet have no difficulty having strong opinions....

1. Adult stem cell transplants are also widely used to treat such diseases as anemias, leukemias, lymphomas, and other cancers. Additional treatable diseases are Fanconi anemia, pure red cell aplasia, juvenile chronic myelogenous leukemia, juvenile myelomonocytic leukemia, immune deficiencies, and some genetic diseases. Camitta, Bruce M. and Slye, Rebecca Jean, "Treatment of Acquired Aplastic Anemia, Advanced," National Marrow Donor Program, September 25, 1998. Accessed at: www.marrow.org/MEDICAL/aplastic_anemia_advanced.html "Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma, basic," National Marrow Donor Program. Accessed at: www.marrow.org/MEDICAL/nhl.html"Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia, basic," National Marrow Donor Program. Accessed at: www.marrow.org/MEDICAL/all.html"Diseases Treatable by Stem Cell Transplants," National Marrow Donor Program. Accessed at: www.marrow.org/MEDICAL/diseases_ treatable_by_stem_cell_transplants.html


2. While the potency and success of adult stem cell treatments are becoming evident, treatments using embryonic stem cells have not produced any clinical successes. Rather, embryonic stem cell treatments tend to create tumors in numerous animal studies. The public should ponder these issues and ask why the media do not cover such results. In a world with limited funds for research, why are we arguing about unproven and often dangerous embryonic stem cell treatments when treatments using adult stem cells are today producing real results for real patients? Adult Stem Cell Success


Ignorance is invincible if it a person could not remove it by applying reasonable diligence in determining the answer. Ignorance is vincible if a person could remove it by applying reasonable diligence. Reasonable diligence, in turn, is that diligence that a conscientious person would display in seeking the correct answer to a question given (a) the gravity of the question and (b) his particular resources.
Ignorance - Invincible and Vincible (This Rock: July/August 1999)
 
The OP makes a logical error in assuming that because FSCs haven't had the track record of of ASCs, they never will. Man tried to fly for centuries. What if the Wright Brothers had adopted the OP's line of thinking?
 

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