The Real Problem with America

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    You know we spend an awful lot of time arguing back and forth for our chosen Parties, But we are kidding ourselves America. Neither party is the answer to our problems because they are at the core of the problems.

    The System is broken. Broken by a constant cycle of Campaigning and Career politicians. Broken because of a 2 party strangle hold on power.

    I do not claim to have all the answers but I think 2 very important things that need to happen before America will be heading the right way are:

    1 Campaign Finance.
    We need to Limit the influence of Money in elections as much as we can. We could start by setting up a way to publicly fiance all campaigns equally. Compel or pay for Network coverage of debates. We should also shorten the campaign time significantly. 2 Years of it means that basically they are never not campaigning.

    2 Term Limits.
    We must end the career politician. Mainly because people are compelled to act differently when they have to think about re-election then when not. Maybe slightly longer terms but only 1 Term. For Both the President and Congress. No more running for re-election. We also need a more direct tool for removal of People who are not performing up to par, or not living up to their promises. Some kind of Popular Vote of No confidence where if a certain % of Americans. prolly like 3/4's vote no confidence it means we then hold A special Election to replace that person. Be it the President or A Congress person. Maybe let that person then run against the others to try and keep his or her job if he can get the votes.

    Like I said I don't claim to have the answers I just know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Neither the Democrats or Republicans Nor anyone working inside our current system has them either, and to continue down our current path is definite National suicide.
     
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    I agree with you. The system is broken. Both Republicans and Democrats are to blame. I don't know of any elected political official that I can believe in. They are all crooks, scallywags, and liars that would say anything, and do anything to stay in power. I believe there should be term limits. No more than two terms for any politician. Also, I do not believe you are entitled to be "set for life" with retirement funds, medical care, and all the other perks that elected people seem to get that none of us "small people" manage to get. Regardless of the political office you are running for, it should be law that you cannot spend more than whatever a year's salary is in that office for your campaign funds. It should be monitored closely and required by law to conform to it. If during the term of your office you are found to be lying to the public, or doing anything "unprofessional" you should be immediately removed from office and that state would be required to hold an election for the replacement. No appointments allowed. I also strongly believe that any law passed by Congress and approved by the President would require all Americans to comply, specifically elected officials. They are no better than the average citizen just because they are elected officials. If any President wanted a "Presidential Library" after he completed his term of office, he can pay for it himself. I don't believe this is something necessary for the American public to foot the bill for.
     
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    Agree with you. Term limits, to me, are the logical place to start. Eh, maybe two 4 year term limits for congressman. Then, after that, go after campaign finance.
     
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    See I don't like the Idea of 2 terms for anyone. I want to eliminate Any sitting officials Campaigning while in office. I would favor even longer terms with some mechanism to end their term early if they are not performing up to par.

    I want civil servants who know they cant run again not career politicians only thinking about the next election. As long as they can have 2 terms the first term will always be about getting re-elected not getting the job done right. I would go as far as to ban sitting officials from campaigning for their replacement even. We need to strive to disconnect our elected leaders from the Political Process once they are elected. As much as possible.

    IMO anyways
     
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    So your solution is to limit the ability of people to speak in elections and create term limits so corrupt politicians don't have to worry about reelection and can do whatever the hell they want?

    That doesn't sound like it's going to make the system better. Quite the opposite.

    If you want to make the system better, restore it to it's original makeup. Restore the Senate to the States so they can check the Federal Government. Abolish the Progressive income tax.

    Other than those two matters the system isn't broken, nor is it the problem. The people are broken. The people are they problem. The people are corrupt and as long as they are corrupt they will continue to elect corrupt people to represent them. It's the people who corrupt the system, not the system corrupting the people. They politicians just want everyone to think they have no choice but to be corrupt, because it's the system that's the problem and not them. If they can convince enough people of that bullcrap, they can change the system so they will have more power. Having corrupt people gathering more power for themselves does not make them less corrupt. It just screws up the system even more.

    No. The solution to our nations problem starts by reforming ourselves. Eliminating corruption, waste, and any dishonest tendency from ourselves. Eliminating idleness and laziness. Refusing to take government assistance. Providing private, or in other words, real charity, even if it's only $1 a day or an hour a day.

    If we don't reform ourselves, we won't be prepared for what is coming.
     
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    ... Yeah, so anyways, I agree Charlie. Those are 2 excellent points. The system's got to be shaken up a bit, and have people on their toes.
     
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    I disagree with both ideas and think they will make things worse.
    The reason for bad politicians is a bad electorate. Improve the electorate and you improve the people they elect.
    Property ownership or freehold requirements for voting will change most of that.
     
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    What are freehold requirements?
     
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    Politicians respond to us.

    It is our fault that we elect the politicians we have. We are a fickle bunch screaming about the latest non-issue and quick fix rather than allowing politicians to deliver long term solutions.
    With 24/7 news, internet and cable political pundits screaming at every perceived transgression, politicians are afraid to seek bipartisanship, afraid to seek compromise. There is no longer a win-win solution in politics because it allows the other side to win also.

    We are getting what we deserve
     
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    He wants only wealthy landowners to be allolwed to vote.

    You know Rabbi.....200 years behind the times
     

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