The Real Lesson of the Amazon-NYC Debacle

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Amazon calls the socialists' bluff

Having recently retired as a contract negotiator (mainly large construction), I was surprised that Amazon chose to locate their HQ#3 in New York City. Having worked several projects in New York, I knew that it is a horribly hostile environment for outsiders. All of the contractors are both "connected" and crooked, local groups of "community activists" fight literally EVERYTHING with the secret agenda of profiting personally from the fight. Scores of local regulatory agencies make it their business to impede progress, make problems, and drag out simple issues indefinitely, just to make themselves feel important.Construction in NYC is at least three times more expensive than any other municipal area in the Western World, including London, regardless of how cost is measured.

I once worked a contract to tear a building down in New York. I got a bid for $40,000...then the City Guys got wind of it. NOOOOOOOOO, you can't just tear it down. You have to remove all the asbestos. You can't just remove the asbestos, you have to REINFORCE THE BUILDING to make is safe for the asbestos removal people; and you have to "bag" the building so that no asbestos gets into the atmosphere. And on and on. Cost two and a half million dollars to tear down that building.

For an orders-of-magnitude worse example, look up the Siemens project to rebuild the (Croton?) underground water treatment plant on Long Island. They lost hundreds of millions of dollars on a project that should have been profitable. They have done it other places all around the world without significant problems, but in NYC? They got their brains fucked out for YEARS.

New York is THE WORST place to build anything, and if you are not a local NEW YORK company, faggeddaboudit - they will fuck you blind. Amazon stock should rise significantly due to the money they will not lose on this poorly-considered decision.

This cancellation is great for everyone but the unlucky bastards living in New York who will be stuck with crappy jobs because of politicians who HAVE NEVER WORKED AN HONEST DAY IN THEIR LIVES.

You deserve it for living there.
 
lol some company went shopping around for a bunch of freebies from some desperate local govt. and got told 'no'. We did the same here a few years ago went Dell came along and demanded a big chunk of valuable land near our new cargo airport for free, and with no restrictions and no taxes; a lot of morons got all excited, babbling about 'all those tech jobs n stuff', and sniveled when we turned him down. less than two months later he was laying off ,5000 right off, and more later. It was nothing but a con, and and now an old one as well. Chip plants operators like Intel run the same scam all the time as well. We spent millions on adding labs and infrastructure here in order to cater to Intel's claim it would relocate here if we trained it employees and gave it all kinds of free stuff, only to seem them bail out after we had invested heavily. It's such a common scam it's a wonder anybody still listens to these bullshit artists at all.
 
I once worked a contract to tear a building down in New York. I got a bid for $40,000...then the City Guys got wind of it. NOOOOOOOOO, you can't just tear it down. You have to remove all the asbestos. You can't just remove the asbestos, you have to REINFORCE THE BUILDING to make is safe for the asbestos removal people; and you have to "bag" the building so that no asbestos gets into the atmosphere. And on and on. Cost two and a half million dollars to tear down that building..

It's ASBESTOS! What planet do you live on? Does the elaborate handling of spent nuclear waste annoy you too?
 
Amazon calls the socialists' bluff

Having recently retired as a contract negotiator (mainly large construction), I was surprised that Amazon chose to locate their HQ#3 in New York City. Having worked several projects in New York, I knew that it is a horribly hostile environment for outsiders. All of the contractors are both "connected" and crooked, local groups of "community activists" fight literally EVERYTHING with the secret agenda of profiting personally from the fight. Scores of local regulatory agencies make it their business to impede progress, make problems, and drag out simple issues indefinitely, just to make themselves feel important.Construction in NYC is at least three times more expensive than any other municipal area in the Western World, including London, regardless of how cost is measured.

I once worked a contract to tear a building down in New York. I got a bid for $40,000...then the City Guys got wind of it. NOOOOOOOOO, you can't just tear it down. You have to remove all the asbestos. You can't just remove the asbestos, you have to REINFORCE THE BUILDING to make is safe for the asbestos removal people; and you have to "bag" the building so that no asbestos gets into the atmosphere. And on and on. Cost two and a half million dollars to tear down that building.

For an orders-of-magnitude worse example, look up the Siemens project to rebuild the (Croton?) underground water treatment plant on Long Island. They lost hundreds of millions of dollars on a project that should have been profitable. They have done it other places all around the world without significant problems, but in NYC? They got their brains fucked out for YEARS.

New York is THE WORST place to build anything, and if you are not a local NEW YORK company, faggeddaboudit - they will fuck you blind. Amazon stock should rise significantly due to the money they will not lose on this poorly-considered decision.

This cancellation is great for everyone but the unlucky bastards living in New York who will be stuck with crappy jobs because of politicians who HAVE NEVER WORKED AN HONEST DAY IN THEIR LIVES.

You deserve it for living there.
It wasn't the politicians (which you seem to not have their names handy) who didn't want Amazon in it's place it was people protesting the deal..
 

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