The real history of gun rights that Americans are not taught.

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    Basically, the Second Amendment was about killing Indians, taking their land and controlling the slave population, according to author and historian Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz.

    For the record I think we need to protect the 2nd amendment,

    including assault weapons, so I disagree with her there, but I still believe in being honest about our past.

    You’ll have heard it said by many liberals and even progressives that the Second Amendment centers on arming militias in a post-colonial America. But the reality behind the legal statute that enshrined gun rights in the Constitution is more nuanced, and far more sinister. As Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz notes in her book, “Loaded: A Disarming History of the Second Amendment,” the arming of state militias (which ultimately became the National Guard) was already noted elsewhere in the Constitution, so why was there a need to stipulate the right to bear arms in the Bill of Rights, which pertains to individuals? That’s because, according to Dunbar-Ortiz, the Second Amendment can be traced directly back to settler colonialism.

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/lies-liberals-tell-themselves-about-the-second-amendment/
     
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    So?


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    What's your point ? No thoughts at all except
    , duh ...so ?!
     
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    It's a blatant, ridiculous lie that the left wrong trots out every so often, trying to tie the right to bear arms to slavery, racism, and genocide; to suggest that to this day, those who support this right do so for racist reasons.

    The truth is that it is the denial of this right that is rooted in racism. The earliest gun control laws in this country were enacted at the behest of the Ku Klux Klan, and were specifically crafted to disarm free black people, in order to make them safer and easier prey for the KKK.
     
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    Well, there are still Indians out there... what's your point?
     
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    it was noted elsewhere in the Constitution?

    Was it 'noted' BEFORE the 2nd Amendment?
     
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    We missed some.
     
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    Then we still need gun rights. QED.
     
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    100 years before under the states actually( 13 colonies)....

    Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz:
    You know, it was already in the constitutions of Virginia, South Carolina, Massachusetts, about five of the colonies, of the 13 colonies. You know, they were formed, the states were formed in 1775, 1776, and it was a whole decade later before the Constitution. During the war, they operated under the Continental Congress. So they already had these, and they had imported them from their colonial practices. So what you have to look at, since they didn’t really argue about the matter of the Second Amendment, why they put it in under the rights of men, individual rights–and second only to freedom of speech–is, you have to look at what was going on at the time. And this was a country, a nation state, formed as an imperialist state, as a kind of knockoff from the British empire. So you have to see it as pushing, as a split in the empire, and the beginning of another one, and not some kind of democratic–it was a republic only because they overthrew a king, and you know, they talked about having another king. But George Washington–our presidency is more or less a kind of operative kingship, the executive. But what they imported was the already practice of settler militias organizing themselves. And they were very well-regulated, with great motivation, because that’s how settler colonialism works. They take the land, and then the federal government is set up basically to then indemnify it, legalize it. And that’s the story of the next hundred years, and the United States taking the continent.
     
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    So the NRA is against background checks because they are afraid of Indian attacks?
     
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