The real enemy

[Mr. Shaman]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

WTF about being broke and the word INSOLVENT don't you leftist nitwits understand?! THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT ~ GET IT?!! Fuck all of those programs and fuck the left .. I'm damn tired of both sides of the aisle ignoring the obvious- CUT SPENDING ACROSS THE BOARD, PERIOD.

Ah, yes.....the easy.....convenient....LAZY way, out!!

Why use a scalpel....when you can use a sledgehammer, right?? There's no thinking or work, required....and, you (actually) look like you're trying to accomplish something!!!

 

[Bfgrn]

I find it pathetic that anyone - no matter who they are (including the President) - would call other Americans 'enemies' because they happen to disagree politically. Those people - the ones who stir up 'hatred' by calling other Americans 'enemies'... they are the dangerous people. They are the enemy. They are the enemy of America and everything it stands for.

Were the people who killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11 the 'enemy'?

Then what would you call people who promote continuing a for profit private health care cartel that kills 45,000 Americans every year?

What would you call people who decimate environmental protections and promote dirty energy cartels that kill thousands of American every year?

???

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

It's class warfare. The Republican Party is employed by the ownership and wealthy classes in this country. That's why the GOP does what it does.

However, the ownership and wealthy classes in this country are not made up of a sufficient number of voters to sustain a national party, even when those voters control as much money as they do,

so the GOP has to pander other constituencies to make up the difference. Their real employers, above, could care less, but the democratic system demands it.

Hence, the GOP social agenda. It's an illogical alliance, but it's the stuff of politics.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Good point, so the solution is obviously to start collecting something from the 40% of Americans who currently pay NO federal income taxes. Wouldn't you agree?

It's actually 47% thanks to the GOP tax cuts to buy votes.

The Bush tax cuts alone raised it from 25% to 47%. You know, the tax cuts CON$ want to make PERMANENT so they can permanently whine about people paying no federal income taxes.

I agree. The Democrats need to abolish the Bush tax cuts so the working poor, enlisted military, seniors and single moms with 4 kids have to fork over some of their money to the government.

Aren't you glad you helped me make my point?

Did I get that right?

Conservatives on this board are constantly complaining that too many American families pay no federal income taxes,

and the Bush tax cuts are as much or more responsible for that condition than any other tax action in the last 30 years.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

And yet Ryan's plan saves and preserves medicare while the Dems want to do nothing which promises the system will go bankrupt in about 10 years.

Revised system vs. no system.

How much of the real world must be ignored to be a Liberal?

How do you ignore in the fact that we pay more than twice as much for health care as the Japanese, and fail to cover all of our citizens?

Those are the people that you woud put Medicare in the hands of. Talk about death panels.

People like you are far more concerned about the profits of corperations that are detriments to this nation than the welfare of this nation's citizens.

 

[Bfgrn]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

It's class warfare. The Republican Party is employed by the ownership and wealthy classes in this country. That's why the GOP does what it does.

However, the ownership and wealthy classes in this country are not made up of a sufficient number of voters to sustain a national party, even when those voters control as much money as they do,

so the GOP has to pander other constituencies to make up the difference. Their real employers, above, could care less, but the democratic system demands it.

Hence, the GOP social agenda. It's an illogical alliance, but it's the stuff of politics.

And it has gained some success due to 24/7 propaganda like Faux News and the radio talking heads for the elite...and then there are these 'we are not worthy' suckers...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

WTF about being broke and the word INSOLVENT don't you leftist nitwits understand?! THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT ~ GET IT?!! Fuck all of those programs and fuck the left .. I'm damn tired of both sides of the aisle ignoring the obvious- CUT SPENDING ACROSS THE BOARD, PERIOD.

Well, I guess if you reduce tax revenues then you are going to be insolvent sooner or later. I'm sure if I gave my boss a reduction in my wages I'd be cutting spending on essentials soon enough.

Good point, so the solution is obviously to start collecting something from the 40% of Americans who currently pay NO federal income taxes. Wouldn't you agree?

So....what?.....you're after first-borns, or slave-labor???

I understand the entertainment-value you "conservatives" (especially you good-Christians) get....outta making those folks (who're too-poor to fight-back) SUFFER, MORE....but, wouldn't it be a little-more Godly, trying to figure-out what drives your sadistic-nature??

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[Old Rocks]

Good point, so the solution is obviously to start collecting something from the 40% of Americans who currently pay NO federal income taxes. Wouldn't you agree?

It's actually 47% thanks to the GOP tax cuts to buy votes.

The Bush tax cuts alone raised it from 25% to 47%. You know, the tax cuts CON$ want to make PERMANENT so they can permanently whine about people paying no federal income taxes.

About your signature
Talk about twisting someones words

"Accuse your opponents of what you are at present doing." Rush Limbaugh

Way to take his coment out of context. He was talking about Alinsky's rules for radicals. and how left tards like you do things.

LOL. Might have known that your hero is an obese junkie.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yep the problem is they are the majority of the people in the USA.
In both partys.

I disagree. I think that most people are wiling to compromise, but the militant lefties and righties are the most vocal so it just seems like they are the most prevalent. If the rest of us would start standing up and telling ALL of them to shut up , maybe we could get something accomplished.

Yet you support the gestapo.

The right and the left are the enemies...

Ah, yes.....what we need are nice, safe, generic-citizens, right??


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[rdean]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

It's class warfare. The Republican Party is employed by the ownership and wealthy classes in this country. That's why the GOP does what it does.

However, the ownership and wealthy classes in this country are not made up of a sufficient number of voters to sustain a national party, even when those voters control as much money as they do,

so the GOP has to pander other constituencies to make up the difference. Their real employers, above, could care less, but the democratic system demands it.

Hence, the GOP social agenda. It's an illogical alliance, but it's the stuff of politics.

And it has gained some success due to 24/7 propaganda like Faux News and the radio talking heads for the elite...and then there are these 'we are not worthy' suckers...

I wish that cartoon wasn't so true. Republicans have screamed "government is bad" for so long, their only alternative is to turn over control of the country to corporations. Try to explain that corporations only exist for "profit" and the good of the company outweighs the good of the nation every time. But they are convinced that "corporations make jobs" and if you don't bribe them, they will leave and we will all suffer some horrible fate.

 

[Bfgrn]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

And yet Ryan's plan saves and preserves medicare while the Dems want to do nothing which promises the system will go bankrupt in about 10 years.

Revised system vs. no system.

How much of the real world must be ignored to be a Liberal?

How do you ignore in the fact that we pay more than twice as much for health care as the Japanese, and fail to cover all of our citizens?

Those are the people that you woud put Medicare in the hands of. Talk about death panels.

People like you are far more concerned about the profits of corperations that are detriments to this nation than the welfare of this nation's citizens.

Not only does it harm our citizens, it harms domestic companies that compete with the Japanese.

2007

Health care: an issue that cries out for leadership.

Health care in this country is in shambles. At a cost of almost $12,000 a year for the average family, the system is bankrupting families and it's bankrupting companies - specifically my old industry. Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd. And what about those families and individuals who can't afford insurance at all? Junior breaks his arm and all of a sudden, a fall off a bike is an $8,000 trip to the ER.

Despite all of this, none of our politicians will touch the issue. Oh sure, they'll talk about it during campaign season, but once the votes are cast, it's the forgotten issue again. The last time anyone proposed real reform was in 1993, and that plan went nowhere. Fourteen years later, Hillary Clinton's failed plan is still used as an excuse to continue ignoring the problem. That's disgraceful.

I suggest you listen carefully to the '08 candidates' "plans" for health care. Let's see if any of them have the political courage to really tackle it this time around. I don't want band-aid ideas either. I want concrete solutions - and I want to hold these guys to their promises.

Lee Iacocca - Health Care

 

[California Girl]

I find it pathetic that anyone - no matter who they are (including the President) - would call other Americans 'enemies' because they happen to disagree politically. Those people - the ones who stir up 'hatred' by calling other Americans 'enemies'... they are the dangerous people. They are the enemy. They are the enemy of America and everything it stands for.

Were the people who killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11 the 'enemy'?

Then what would you call people who promote continuing a for profit private health care cartel that kills 45,000 Americans every year?

What would you call people who decimate environmental protections and promote dirty energy cartels that kill thousands of American every year?

???

I find it unsurprisingly pathetic that you would use the dead of 9-11 for partisan political point scoring.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

$46,238...that's your portion of the debt. How will you be paying your share, check or cash?

I intend to pass mine on to YOUR grandchildren. BOOYAH

Ah, yes.....

....the trickle-down!!

 

[Old Rocks]

I find it pathetic that anyone - no matter who they are (including the President) - would call other Americans 'enemies' because they happen to disagree politically. Those people - the ones who stir up 'hatred' by calling other Americans 'enemies'... they are the dangerous people. They are the enemy. They are the enemy of America and everything it stands for.

Stir up hatred? Have you seen the posts concerning 'Liberals'? And someone that would take away another persons ability to live is that persons enemy. For that is what the Ryan proposals would do to vast numbers of seniors.

The affect of the current push by the GOP in several states is to destroy unions, period. Unions are the only protection that working people have. You see what companies like Massey do when that protection is not there. Workering men and women die, and the people in charge just buy new hands as the bodies go out the door. I grew up around sawmills and logging towns, and have seen this attitude, and knew the bodies that went out the door and their families. Our rules concerning safety in the work place, fair wages, and health care, all are things that the unions fought for. Now the GOP official policy is to destroy all of that, and take us back to the pre-1900 days.

Yes. I will now brand the GOP the enemy of working men and women. I would not have two years ago, but given the crap that this party is now pushing, with the backing of their brown shirt Teabaggers, they are our enemy. For they would destroy our ability to provide good health care for our children, they would have us work for wages that are equivelent to what the Chinese work for, and they would destroy the safety net for seniors.

And the whole time crying about how the upper 2% is taxed to death, as the share of the wealth of this nation of that per centage of it's citizens continues to climb. While the rest of us continue to see a decline in the real value of what little we have.

Every single proposal that the GOP has made in the last two years goes against the majority of American Citizens interest. They prefer subsidies for companies making tens of billions every quarter to programs to keep all of our children health and educated. They prefer useless weopons systems pushed by the military-industrial complex to providing a reasonable old age to those that have worked all their lives for this nation, and even served in it's military. To the GOP, none of this is important. All that is important to them are the Corperations, and the very wealthy.

Yes, the GOP has demonstrated that they are, indeed, the enemy of the working class American.

 

[Bfgrn]

I find it pathetic that anyone - no matter who they are (including the President) - would call other Americans 'enemies' because they happen to disagree politically. Those people - the ones who stir up 'hatred' by calling other Americans 'enemies'... they are the dangerous people. They are the enemy. They are the enemy of America and everything it stands for.

Were the people who killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11 the 'enemy'?

Then what would you call people who promote continuing a for profit private health care cartel that kills 45,000 Americans every year?

What would you call people who decimate environmental protections and promote dirty energy cartels that kill thousands of American every year?

???

I find it unsurprisingly pathetic that you would use the dead of 9-11 for partisan political point scoring.

Point scoring? Hardly. Don't try to project your lack of morals and values on me. Unfortunately, those people who were murdered on 9/11 will never come back. It is our obligation as citizens to never be on the side of the executioners; be they foreign or domestic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

WTF about being broke and the word INSOLVENT don't you leftist nitwits understand?! THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT ~ GET IT?!! Fuck all of those programs and fuck the left .. I'm damn tired of both sides of the aisle ignoring the obvious- CUT SPENDING ACROSS THE BOARD, PERIOD.

Well, I guess if you reduce tax revenues then you are going to be insolvent sooner or later. I'm sure if I gave my boss a reduction in my wages I'd be cutting spending on essentials soon enough.

Good point, so the solution is obviously to start collecting something from the 40% of Americans who currently pay NO federal income taxes. Wouldn't you agree?

Eliminate the child tax credit and raise the top rate to 39%. That will hit the rich and the not rich proportionately and collect plenty of much needed revenue.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That would include Obama.

For all this talk of Obama being far left, the guy cut taxes even more than Bush. He agreed to keep the Bush tax cuts, plus he gave more tax cuts through the stimulus bill. And what good did it do?

I bet you read the paper too?

Aw, jeez......a male-Bubblehead????

How ya' gonna be the Head of a household (like God had intended)....if you insist on operating like some pageant-contestant????

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[Mr. Shaman]

Well, McConnell has made it clear to all. The GOP is the enemy of the working and middle class. Anything that we have gained since 1900, they wish to reverse. From unions to Social Security and Medicare, their goald is to terminate the gains made by the majority of American Citizens.

We see what has happened in Wisconsin, now we are seeing the GOP's true goals in the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling. The GOP cares absolutely nothing about the average American, and regards them simply as useful idiots, or fodder to be used in empire building.

They would gut the sytems that protect the seniors in this nation, and take us back to the days when surviving to old age meant poverty for the vast majority that did that. Their goal is for older citizens to die as quickly as possible when then can no longer earn a profit for the corperations. Reducing access to medical care and maintenance pharmceuticals is a very good way to do that.

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

Social Security an Medicare are not gains. They are gov't pork. ANd we can't afford them. We never could. It is just that now the bill collector is at the front door.
The GOP cares about the average American. They consider the average American smart...

BZZZT!!!!

Smart?

Seriously??

So.....how did the GOP manage to "sell"....

...Reaganomics???

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[Meister]

 

[Harry Dresden]

Time to give all them a permenant vacation. We cannot afford the toadies of the corperations in power any longer.

then you better get rid of your Democratic fellows up there too Rocks.....