The push for a biblical government continues

DKSuddeth

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bible scripts justifying judicial nominees

WASHINGTON -- Reading from the Bible on the floor of the Senate on Tuesday, Sen. Orrin Hatch endorsed a federal judicial nominee who wrote that wives should have a subordinate role in marriage, with the Utah Republican emphasizing "millions and millions of people will agree with" that view.
In a preview of the religious rhetoric that will likely dominate next week's scheduled Senate debate over a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, Hatch led the fight for confirming Arkansas lawyer J. Leon Holmes to the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Arkansas.
With Hatch's support and that of Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, Holmes was confirmed 51-46 in the Senate on Tuesday evening, even though many members of the Senate predicted his nomination would be rejected.
Holmes' writing on abortion, marriage, slavery and other theological issues generated opposition from not only many Democrats but also some Republicans.
Fueling much of the debate is a 1997 article Holmes and his wife, Susan, wrote for Arkansas Catholic magazine titled, "Gender Neutral Language, Destroying an Essential Element of Our Faith." The couple wrote that under Catholic teaching, "the woman is to place herself under the authority of the man" in marriage and "is to subordinate herself to the husband."

Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn., lashed out at Durbin's criticism during floor debate.
"We hear so much from the other side about tolerance," said Santorum. "Where is the tolerance for people who want to believe what has been taught for 2,000 years?"
After reading aloud from Chapter 5 of the Book of Ephesians, Hatch said "it gets pretty bad around here" when lawmakers condemn Holmes for quoting the teachings of St. Paul the Apostle.
"I don't think anybody can read this without understanding husbands have tremendous obligations in order to gain the respect of their wives," said Hatch. "You might disagree with St. Paul but there are hundreds of millions of people who agree with St. Paul."
Hatch also discounted criticism over a 1980 letter Holmes wrote to a newspaper arguing that rape victims should not be allowed to have abortions because "conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." Holmes has since apologized for the comment.
"I find his statement to be insensitive and appalling," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, a former criminal prosecutor who cited studies showing an estimated 25,000 pregnancies occur each year due to rape. "Speak to the family of a 13-year-old girl who is pregnant by being raped by her family's best friend, the next-door neighbor."
Said Hatch: "I believe all of us have made statements in the past for which we wished we could apologize."

I think that last sentence would have had better effect coming from Trent Lott though. :D
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
bible scripts justifying judicial nominees

The couple wrote that under Catholic teaching, "the woman is to place herself under the authority of the man" in marriage and "is to subordinate herself to the husband."
:D [/B]

Uh... yeah. That will blow over with the female population like a fart in church.

Off topic... wasnt it in Utah where Tom Green had multiple wives?
 
"I think that last sentence would have had better effect coming from Trent Lott though. "

Now that was damned funny.

On a more seriouis note however - this is going to be interesting to follow and see how this gets twisted and spun. I understand his rationale for quoting this particular scripture, but man is it going to open a bucket of worms for out of context discussion.

The intent of the scripture he is referring to is that the wife shal submit in terms of spirituality and worship of God. Similar that the church as the bride of Christ is to submit to His will.

This is going to explode on both sides of the aisle.
 
Originally posted by lilcountriegal

Off topic... wasnt it in Utah where Tom Green had multiple wives?

yes, for which he was indicted for statutory rape of one of them, because she was 13. I believe he was also indicted, or going to be, for polygamy.
 
Marriages work best when wives DO submit to authority of their husbands - AND - Husbands love their wives the way they need to.

(shrug).

It's not about servantude...
 
Originally posted by -=d=-
Marriages work best when wives DO submit to authority of their husbands - AND - Husbands love their wives the way they need to.

(shrug).

It's not about servantude...
:beer:
 
And for the obligatory Constitutional point:

Article. VI.

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Hmmm.......

;)
 
Trent Lott ( R ), praises Strom Thurmond ( R ), a former Klan member, and is hounded off the face of the earth.

Christopher Dodd ( D ), praises Robert Byrd ( D ), a former Klan member, and it's a non-issue.

Bear with me, folks - I'm just trying to undrestand.
 
Originally posted by musicman
Trent Lott ( R ), praises Strom Thurmond ( R ), a former Klan member, and is hounded off the face of the earth.

Christopher Dodd ( D ), praises Robert Byrd ( D ), a former Klan member, and it's a non-issue.

Bear with me, folks - I'm just trying to undrestand.

post again the quotes of their praise, i forget them except remembering it was thurmonds birthday or retiring or something.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
post again the quotes of their praise, i forget them except remembering it was thurmonds birthday or retiring or something.


Sorry, DK - can't remember the exact quotes. Neither was particularly newsworthy in and of itself. It just demonstrates, to me, the selective and hypocritical outrage of Democrats.
 
Here it is:
In a speech on the Senate floor last Thursday marking Sen. Robert Byrd's 17,000th vote in the body, Dodd said the West Virginia Democrat, member of the Ku Klux Klan before taking office and opponent of the 1964 Civil Right Act, "would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation."

Dodd's comments struck some as similar to remarks made by former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., that led to his losing the position.

The comments were made as part of large praise of Byrd's great service as a Senator, which Dodd said, "would have been right at anytime."

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040407-021034-5250r.htm
 

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