The Purpose of Government is Freedom

[Contumacious]

Its like each side is fighting for their own version of total government.

True.

The "LIberals" want a government which follows the Communist Manifesto. The conservatives want a government which follows the Bible - a theocracy.

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[boedicca]

The "LIberals" want a government which follows the Communist Manifesto. The conservatives want a government which follows the Bible - a theocracy.

Uh. No.

Most conservatives want our government to uphold The Constitution.

 

[Contumacious]

So what then is the purpose of the SEC and similar fascist entities? Create a false feeling of security?

Did some one promise you a rose garden?

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If you could think for five fucking seconds out of your clueless Conservative bubble, s.

If you could think for five seconds out of your clueless Marxist bubble and answer a simple question

DID SOMEONE PROMISE YOU A ROSE FUCKING GARDEN?

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[Cold Fusion38]

The "LIberals" want a government which follows the Communist Manifesto. The conservatives want a government which follows the Bible - a theocracy.

Uh. No.

Most conservatives want our government to uphold The Constitution.

Oh PLEASE you REALLY believe that shit. You are too absurd to even listen to any more GOOD BYE!

 

[G.T.]

So what then is the purpose of the SEC and similar fascist entities? Create a false feeling of security?

Did some one promise you a rose garden?

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If you could think for five fucking seconds out of your clueless Conservative bubble, s.

If you could think for five seconds out of your clueless Marxist bubble and answer a simple question

DID SOMEONE PROMISE YOU A ROSE FUCKING GARDEN?

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Not a marxist there, dickless. Address me or piss off.

 

[Contumacious]

If you could think for five fucking seconds out of your clueless Conservative bubble, s.

If you could think for five seconds out of your clueless Marxist bubble and answer a simple question

DID SOMEONE PROMISE YOU A ROSE FUCKING GARDEN?

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Not a marxist there, dickless. .

So what do you fuckers call yourself now?

Obama "conservatives"?!?!?!?!?

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[Samson]

If you could think for five seconds out of your clueless Marxist bubble and answer a simple question

DID SOMEONE PROMISE YOU A ROSE FUCKING GARDEN?

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Not a marxist there, dickless. .

So what do you fuckers call yourself now?

Obama "conservatives"?!?!?!?!?

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Obamacons.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Our rights don't come from the government. Government is not freedom. It is a necessary evil.

 

[ihopehefails]

If you could think for five fucking seconds out of your clueless Conservative bubble, s.

If you could think for five seconds out of your clueless Marxist bubble and answer a simple question

DID SOMEONE PROMISE YOU A ROSE FUCKING GARDEN?

>

Not a marxist there, dickless. Address me or piss off.

You should be careful on who you call dickless because you could be talking to a woman on the other side.

 

[G.T.]

You should be careful on who you call dickless because you could be talking to a woman on the other side.[/QUOTE]

The disrespectful will be disrespected.

 

[antagon]

Thats it. It doesn't exist for jobs, economy, health care, and etc. It just exist for the protection of the individual's freedom. All government policy should be weighed by what provides the most freedom for the individual.

bullshit.

that is the root of most of the problems in our society... freedom has supplanted discipline. the latter is what has made america great; while not a direct opposite, discipline is is often times choosing responsibility over freedom.

 

[ihopehefails]

Thats it. It doesn't exist for jobs, economy, health care, and etc. It just exist for the protection of the individual's freedom. All government policy should be weighed by what provides the most freedom for the individual.

bullshit.

that is the root of most of the problems in our society... freedom has supplanted discipline. the latter is what has made america great; while not a direct opposite, discipline is is often times choosing responsibility over freedom.

<sarcasm>That is so liberal of you to say that freedom is the problem.</sarcasm>

 

[antagon]

i think the quest for legislated freedom has made under-educated pussies out of young americans.

 

[ihopehefails]

i think the quest for legislated freedom has made under-educated pussies out of young americans.

You can't legislate freedom. YOu can enact legislation that protects it.

 

[bodecea]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creatorr with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the Governed.....

 

[ihopehefails]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creatorr with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the Governed.....

It kind of implies that all powers not given to the government are unjust which is a pretty novel thought by itself.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Its entire purpose for existing is to limit and restrict. Some forms of Government do this in the least intrusive manner they can, some do not.

The least intrusive governments are the ones which are indicated by the OP. Less intrusion is akin to extra freedom. Less government programs means lower tax burden which is again more freedom. The USA has no need for Socialist Security, Meidfraud, Welfraud, a big military, or any of several other "big government" elements which create a high tax rate, massive national debt, and less freedom.

 

[Citizen]

Granted there were other reasons than the main one which was to insure the individual's freedoms and liberties.

Quote: Originally Posted by Preamble of the US Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

IMHO, the following can explain the Preamble:

"Form a more perfect Union." Under the Articles of Confederation, Congress did not have taxing power; could not enforce obedience; each state regulated its own commence as it saw fit; to amend the Articles the unanimous consent of the state legislatures was required.

"Establish justice." The Articles of Confederation did not provide for Federal courts.

"Insure domestic tranquility." The country was in turmoil.

"Provide for the common defense." The Congress, under the Articles, could not raise an army.

"Promote the general welfare." This was a statement of a general purpose.

"Secure the blessings of liberty." The national government was all but powerless under the Articles of Confederation, and could not protect the constitutional rights of the citizens.

Let us not forget our Bill of Rights.

Preamble

The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the grounds of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


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Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.


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Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


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Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


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Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


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Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[antagon]

i think the quest for legislated freedom has made under-educated pussies out of young americans.

You can't legislate freedom. YOu can enact legislation that protects it.

government tries to do just that. a problem. freedom is fundamental part, rather than the tip of the spear of the american ethos. some people have it ass-backwards and freedom is used as a means of avoiding responsibility, and increasingly so. it is undermining the necessity for a society to have discipline and understand the value in different freedoms, rather than the whole concept.

you protect freedom in the united states by using it for the benefit of yourself and the community: commerce, charity, etc. the government, much as it does, could loosely support these applications.

 

[boedicca]

government tries to do just that. a problem. freedom is fundamental part, rather than the tip of the spear of the american ethos. some people have it ass-backwards and freedom is used as a means of avoiding responsibility, and increasingly so. it is undermining the necessity for a society to have discipline and understand the value in different freedoms, rather than the whole concept.

you protect freedom in the united states by using it for the benefit of yourself and the community: commerce, charity, etc. the government, much as it does, could loosely support these applications.

Very true. Freedom is not the infantile state of lack of responsibility and absolution from the consequences of one's actions.