The problem with education

[Quantum Windbag]

I see you know nothing about how children learn languages.

The thing is, no one knows how children pick up language.

Actually, quite a lot is known about it.

Quite a lot amounts to children learn from listening. Since no one can explain why people can actually talk, not one can explain how we pick up languages.

 

[Unkotare]

I see you know nothing about how children learn languages.

The thing is, no one knows how children pick up language.

Actually, quite a lot is known about it.

Quite a lot amounts to children learn from listening. Since no one can explain why people can actually talk, not one can explain how we pick up languages.

It involves a whole lot more than just listening. An enormous amount is known about "why people can actually talk." There are large sections of libraries packed with thousands of texts on the subject. If you are really interested, you should take it upon yourself to learn more.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Actually, quite a lot is known about it.

Quite a lot amounts to children learn from listening. Since no one can explain why people can actually talk, not one can explain how we pick up languages.

It involves a whole lot more than just listening. An enormous amount is known about "why people can actually talk." There are large sections of libraries packed with thousands of texts on the subject. If you are really interested, you should take it upon yourself to learn more.

Everything you said is true, and every one of those books espouses a pet theory that is contradicted by the books with other pet theories.

 

[Unkotare]

Quite a lot amounts to children learn from listening. Since no one can explain why people can actually talk, not one can explain how we pick up languages.

It involves a whole lot more than just listening. An enormous amount is known about "why people can actually talk." There are large sections of libraries packed with thousands of texts on the subject. If you are really interested, you should take it upon yourself to learn more.

Everything you said is true, and every one of those books espouses a pet theory that is contradicted by the books with other pet theories.

Not really. There is a great deal that is well-established in the field. Like I said, go educate yourself on the subject. It is broad and fascinating. It seems like you are interested and would find the effort rewarding. I would suggest starting with some texts on general theory and then moving on to introductory works on neurolinguistics and first language acquisition. But there's much, much more. You could keep yourself busy for many years just learning about it all.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It involves a whole lot more than just listening. An enormous amount is known about "why people can actually talk." There are large sections of libraries packed with thousands of texts on the subject. If you are really interested, you should take it upon yourself to learn more.

Everything you said is true, and every one of those books espouses a pet theory that is contradicted by the books with other pet theories.

Not really. There is a great deal that is well-established in the field. Like I said, go educate yourself on the subject. It is broad and fascinating. It seems like you are interested and would find the effort rewarding. I would suggest starting with some texts on general theory and then moving on to introductory works on neurolinguistics and first language acquisition. But there's much, much more. You could keep yourself busy for many years just learning about it all.

Suggest whatever you want, I already posted stuff that clearly says that no one understands how children learn language. If you want to post links to things that contradict that, feel free, if you want to suggest I educate myself in something I don't care about, good luck.

 

[Unkotare]

Everything you said is true, and every one of those books espouses a pet theory that is contradicted by the books with other pet theories.

Not really. There is a great deal that is well-established in the field. Like I said, go educate yourself on the subject. It is broad and fascinating. It seems like you are interested and would find the effort rewarding. I would suggest starting with some texts on general theory and then moving on to introductory works on neurolinguistics and first language acquisition. But there's much, much more. You could keep yourself busy for many years just learning about it all.

Suggest whatever you want, I already posted stuff that clearly says that no one understands how children learn language. If you want to post links to things that contradict that, feel free, if you want to suggest I educate myself in something I don't care about, good luck.

The field of linguistics is too complex to fit into some little blurb that might suit your back-of-the-cereal-box attention span. I thought you might actually be interested in the subject. That's why I kindly gave you some direction by which you might educate yourself a little. I see that I overestimated you. If you want to persist in ignorance that's your choice, but don't pretend it's anything other than that.

 

[lonelygirl8]

Education is way where a person can develop his skill, learn more knowledge, information, ideas, etc. that can help them booze their talents and reach their goals. But sometimes, the other problem of education is they usually rely in the internet and keep memorizing the terms which they neglect the true meaning of one topic.

 

[Unkotare]

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[Esmeralda]

There is actually nothing wrong with American higher education: people come to the US from all over the world to attend American colleges and universities.

 

[Unkotare]

people come to the US from all over the world to attend American colleges and universities.

In droves.

 

[Unkotare]

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The idea either political "side" has a dog in this hunt is brutally incompetent.

Education is first about critical thinking, second about knowledge and third about values.

Today's public education ridicules the first, doesn't accept the second, and puts the wrong values first. Teaching "diversity" for example is ludicrous. Ignoring the need for a practiced memory (the real reason for knowing 1066, 1492 and who Polk was) has destroyed many ordinary minds and damaged some exceptional minds.

But the signal failure of public education since the 1970s is the failure to teach critical thinking. One thanks GOD one graduated in the 1960s when judgment was acknowledged as a survival mechanism and worthy skill instead of condemned as a vestige of evil cultures.

Today's public education in the US is a disgrace. This week I asked an engineer who Theordore Roosevelt was. They thought TR "might have been a famous person." I cannot promote someone that ignorant of US culture.

I might answer you the same way if you pronounced it like you misspelled it.

That engineer probably knew who Theodore Roosevelt was in high school but did not retain the information because as an engineer, TR doesn't enter his world very often. Just because they can no longer answer the question, doesn't mean they did it learn it!

How many of you could factor a quadratic equation right now if your life depended on it?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Conservative teachers are bad teachers. The want to teach children's fables as science and history.

The want to teach "twinkle down" as economic theory.

They scream for jobs, but can't describe the jobs they aren't qualified for and are trying to keep their children from being qualified for.

The Texas Republican Party Platform is highly representative of the party as a whole.

It supports privatizing Social Security - can you imagine after the stock market was wiped out what that would have meant to Social Security?

It opposes the teaching of “critical thinking” - They want children to believe what they are told and not question it. This must be where all those Republican scientists come from.

It supports corporal punishment in schools - for children to learn properly in school, strangers must beat them.

State of Texas Republican Party Platform Available Here

What a bunch of dicks.

I has a little bet going with myself that you would reply without reading anything.

Guess which way I bet?

I watched more than half of your video that so stupid it bordered on "offensive". Children in foreign ghettos "taught" themselves English? Suggesting such a thing is stupid beyond belief. Who could possibly believe such nonsense? Somehow, using a computer is "teaching yourself"?

Republicans use any excuse to stay away from education. And because of that, there are millions of jobs that can't be filled. Republicans are too stupid to learn. They just don't want to.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/jolts.pdf

The number of jobs available have swelled to 3.7 million from 3.1 million, the last time I posted that statistic.

I hate to break your heart, but TED Talks is famous among progressives and intellectuals for presenting forward thinking ideas. If you weren't so anti education and knowledge you would pay a lot more attention to them. For instance, the speaker you so causally dismiss simply because I posted the video has a PhD in physics, has 25 inventions in the field of cognitive science and education technology, and actually developed hyperlinking long before the internet existed.

feel free to hate on him though, it shows how close minded you are, and actually makes my point.

I had a college professor who was one of the world's leading experts on plasma physics. The problem was that he couldn't teach a fish to swim, a duck to quack, or anything related to Physics 101. He was well-known throughout the university as the one to avoid if you could. Luckily, he graded on a curve, so I think I managed a "C" with about a 23%.

 

[Chuz Life]

I just finished classes at a local vocational "trade" school. I am in my late 50's and I outperformed every student in my classes. A few were even older than me.

The problem in our educational systems is far bigger and more complex than most people will ever contemplate, let alone realize.

The problems are societal, cultural, political, economical and even darwanistic (survival of the fittest.)

Instant gratification has displaced the self rewarding aspect of higher learning and a productive work ethic in virtually every aspect of life.

It will take many generations to fix the problems we have and especially so, because for the most part, it's a problem that doesn't want to be "fixed."

 

[Esmeralda]

I have been trying to describe why education, as it is set up today, is not the way to teach children for a while. The fundamental problem with it is that it was set over 100 years ago, and was designed to create cogs in a machine, not individuals. the future needs people who can think for themselves, adapt, and teach themselves the skills they need.

I really enjoy listening to Sugatra Mitra when he talks about his hole in the wall experiment where children taught themselves English. They learned, not because they were being taught in an organized way, but because they recognized the need, and developed their own methods of learning.

[ame=[MEDIA=youtube]y3jYVe1RGaU[/MEDIA] Mitra: Build a School in the Cloud - YouTube[/ame]

For those of us who have problem with higher learning I found a cartoon that outlines the entire thing.

Something to consider: Americans are always complaining about how bad their education system is, how bad our test scores are compared to other countries. Conservatives complain it is because of bad teachers and unions that allow bad teachers to continue teaching. The fact is that in the EU, teachers also have unions, very strong unions and their test scores are always better than ours. The problem with education is not teachers, it is the social environment in the US. In Europe and Asia, family unity is strong; they have real family values, not the imaginary ones conservatives bemoan are lost in America. In Europe, parents participate in and monitor their children's educational progress; they encourage working toward a college education because in many countries, college costs are partially paid for by the government. Their people are thus generally better educated and have more comprehensive critical thinking skills than in the US. The education system is not the problem: in the US it has changed considerably in the past 100 years--has not at all remained stagnant. However, in Europe, schools encourage creativity while American schools focus on sports and competition as they eliminate music and art programs. Even Einstein said creativity is more important than intellect, meaning intellectual ability is useless without creativity. In America, the problem with education lies directly with social problems and weak family unity and support.

The 'wall' is a fantasy of rebellion. Modern schools are not designed to turn out cogs in a machine. However, in the US, we need to get back to embracing the need for creativity in art, music, literature, and other disciplines. Without creativity (as well as discipline), knowledge is useless.

 

[BlackFlag]

I have been trying to describe why education, as it is set up today, is not the way to teach children for a while. The fundamental problem with it is that it was set over 100 years ago, and was designed to create cogs in a machine, not individuals. the future needs people who can think for themselves, adapt, and teach themselves the skills they need.

I really enjoy listening to Sugatra Mitra when he talks about his hole in the wall experiment where children taught themselves English. They learned, not because they were being taught in an organized way, but because they recognized the need, and developed their own methods of learning.

[ame=[MEDIA=youtube]y3jYVe1RGaU[/MEDIA] Mitra: Build a School in the Cloud - YouTube[/ame]

For those of us who have problem with higher learning I found a cartoon that outlines the entire thing.

^ miss this guy

 

[Unkotare]

I have been trying to describe why education, as it is set up today, is not the way to teach children for a while. The fundamental problem with it is that it was set over 100 years ago, and was designed to create cogs in a machine, not individuals. the future needs people who can think for themselves, adapt, and teach themselves the skills they need.

I really enjoy listening to Sugatra Mitra when he talks about his hole in the wall experiment where children taught themselves English. They learned, not because they were being taught in an organized way, but because they recognized the need, and developed their own methods of learning.

[ame=[MEDIA=youtube]y3jYVe1RGaU[/MEDIA] Mitra: Build a School in the Cloud - YouTube[/ame]

For those of us who have problem with higher learning I found a cartoon that outlines the entire thing.

Something to consider: Americans are always complaining about how bad their education system is, how bad our test scores are compared to other countries. Conservatives complain it is because of bad teachers and unions that allow bad teachers to continue teaching. The fact is that in the EU, teachers also have unions, very strong unions and their test scores are always better than ours. The problem with education is not teachers, it is the social environment in the US. In Europe and Asia, family unity is strong; they have real family values, not the imaginary ones conservatives bemoan are lost in America. In Europe, parents participate in and monitor their children's educational progress; they encourage working toward a college education because in many countries, college costs are partially paid for by the government. Their people are thus generally better educated and have more comprehensive critical thinking skills than in the US. The education system is not the problem: in the US it has changed considerably in the past 100 years--has not at all remained stagnant. However, in Europe, schools encourage creativity while American schools focus on sports and competition as they eliminate music and art programs. Even Einstein said creativity is more important than intellect, meaning intellectual ability is useless without creativity. In America, the problem with education lies directly with social problems and weak family unity and support.

The 'wall' is a fantasy of rebellion. Modern schools are not designed to turn out cogs in a machine. However, in the US, we need to get back to embracing the need for creativity in art, music, literature, and other disciplines. Without creativity (as well as discipline), knowledge is useless.

Creativity we’ve got in spades. Diligent determination is what we’ve let slip.

 

[Esmeralda]

I have been trying to describe why education, as it is set up today, is not the way to teach children for a while. The fundamental problem with it is that it was set over 100 years ago, and was designed to create cogs in a machine, not individuals. the future needs people who can think for themselves, adapt, and teach themselves the skills they need.

I really enjoy listening to Sugatra Mitra when he talks about his hole in the wall experiment where children taught themselves English. They learned, not because they were being taught in an organized way, but because they recognized the need, and developed their own methods of learning.

[ame=[MEDIA=youtube]y3jYVe1RGaU[/MEDIA] Mitra: Build a School in the Cloud - YouTube[/ame]

For those of us who have problem with higher learning I found a cartoon that outlines the entire thing.

Something to consider: Americans are always complaining about how bad their education system is, how bad our test scores are compared to other countries. Conservatives complain it is because of bad teachers and unions that allow bad teachers to continue teaching. The fact is that in the EU, teachers also have unions, very strong unions and their test scores are always better than ours. The problem with education is not teachers, it is the social environment in the US. In Europe and Asia, family unity is strong; they have real family values, not the imaginary ones conservatives bemoan are lost in America. In Europe, parents participate in and monitor their children's educational progress; they encourage working toward a college education because in many countries, college costs are partially paid for by the government. Their people are thus generally better educated and have more comprehensive critical thinking skills than in the US. The education system is not the problem: in the US it has changed considerably in the past 100 years--has not at all remained stagnant. However, in Europe, schools encourage creativity while American schools focus on sports and competition as they eliminate music and art programs. Even Einstein said creativity is more important than intellect, meaning intellectual ability is useless without creativity. In America, the problem with education lies directly with social problems and weak family unity and support.

The 'wall' is a fantasy of rebellion. Modern schools are not designed to turn out cogs in a machine. However, in the US, we need to get back to embracing the need for creativity in art, music, literature, and other disciplines. Without creativity (as well as discipline), knowledge is useless.

Creativity we’ve got in spades. Diligent determination is what we’ve let slip.

It isn't up to teachers to teach that; it's up to the families.

 

[deanrd]

I think it's great Republicans think education is bad for America. The less involved they are, the better it is for those teaching children who want to learn.

 

[Unkotare]

I think it's great Republicans think education is bad for America. The less involved they are, the better it is for those teaching children who want to learn.

Utterly pointless partisan nonsense.