The Prez is immoral, get a load of this

[LuvRPgrl]

Actually, CSM, it is not impossible to refute a fantasy.

Psychoblues

so you admit its a fantasy. Interesting.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

No gunny. Fascism is the union of big business and government, and it doesn't matter if its achieved by government taking over business, or business taking over government.

Wrong. Facism is the fusion of control of the govt and the military. You notice Hitler sought the control of both of those and didnt even bother gaining any foothold into big business. Once he was the undisputed ruler and gained control of the military, business was at his bequest.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Fascism, as practiced in the 20th century, was state control of everything, to include business. Everything was subordinate to the state. "Big business" benefits ONLY if the state allows it to.

For instance, in Bazi Germany, Jews were big players on the financial business side of things. The state dispossessed them through force of arms.

Socialism, in its purest form, will never happen, not even in the la-la land liberal utopian idealistic quagmire. Even there, the liberals see themselves as the intellectually elite who need to tell others what's best for them; thereby, creating the rift in class structure which is not supposed to exist in socialism.

Fascism, in reality, mirrors the goals of the far-left.

You're confused, gunny. A corrupt union of business and government occurs whether government takes over business, or business takes over government. Paths to totalitarianism lay along both sides of the "spectrum".

As an aside, do you believe laws against child labor are "outdated" ?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Wrong. Facism is the fusion of control of the govt and the military. You notice Hitler sought the control of both of those and didnt even bother gaining any foothold into big business. Once he was the undisputed ruler and gained control of the military, business was at his bequest.

So what do you call it when big business completely controls government and dissolves the borders and repeals labor laws for their benefit? Here's a hint: it can still happen even if you refuse to give it a name.

 

[dilloduck]

So what do you call it when big business completely controls government and dissolves the borders and repeals labor laws for their benefit? Here's a hint: it can still happen even if you refuse to give it a name.

Capitalism.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Capitalism.

That's corrupt monopoly capitalism. Fascism. Socialism IS a path to fascism, as gunny points out, but he seems to think that exonerates his own neocon asswipes.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Think of all good and sevices provided by three or four companies on a no bid subcontract basis, to the government, who is "providing for" the people. Who is in control here? Government or big business? The disctinction is pointless, the effect is the same. Totalitarianism. And in truth, it's a sort of musical chairs between business and government, and it's the same fuckers. And THIS is our nation and it's all fucked up.

 

[dilloduck]

That's corrupt monopoly capitalism. Fascism. Socialism IS a path to fascism, as gunny points out, but he seems to think that exonerates his own neocon asswipes.

OK---corrupt monopoly capitalism---it fits America pretty well. They control the State.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

OK---corrupt monopoly capitalism---it fits America pretty well. They control the State.

And it's fair, because any individual can invest in the ongoing evil, through the magic of the public stock market, or, as I call it, the "guilt dissipator".

 

[dilloduck]

And it's fair, because any individual can invest in the ongoing evil, through the magic of the public stock market, or, as I call it, the "guilt dissipator".

Fair---right---there aren't any ways to manipulate the market
I prefer to call it the big casino on Wall Street.

 

[Gunny]

You're confused, gunny. A corrupt union of business and government occurs whether government takes over business, or business takes over government. Paths to totalitarianism lay along both sides of the "spectrum".

As an aside, do you believe laws against child labor are "outdated" ?

I'm not confused at all, but it appears you're trying to confuse two distinct situations as one. Government-controlled business and business-controlled government do NOT equal the same thing.

 

[Vastopol]

Aren't you the bright one. Only one problem with that long-winded theory ... fascism is actually a result fo going to too far left, not right.

Bet you were gear guard in the barracks during final drill, huh?

I believe it was Mussolini that described fascism as corporatism, or the combining of business and government. Left or right doesn't matter. Today global business seeks to be lord over all the world's governments and they call themselves the "international community" which is just another euphemism for the New World Order. Those not part of this global fascist system already are labeled as terrorists or "rogue" and slated for destablization and assimilation by the global corporate borg. They (globalists) call it "harmonization" or if you are Bush supporter, liberation.

 

[Eightball]

No gunny. Fascism is the union of big business and government, and it doesn't matter if its achieved by government taking over business, or business taking over government.

Actually this debate of whether socialism is left or right.....seems rather moot.

Let's just say that, these idealistic Marxists/Communists start out with a utopian dream of a "People State", but inevitably they find that it isn't workable, and you end up with the U.S.S.R. or the People's Republic of China form of government.........a type of government where those in power are the large industrial based companies connected at the hip with the ruling government.

Hitler never took over good old Krup, who made most of Germany's munitions. He actually made them very wealthy.

Hitler was very selective with his annihilation of the Jews, too, as he conveniently avoided going after Jews who owned large strategic companies that helped the war effort.

Stalin was no different.

Marxian governments are impossibilites.......they will gradually become Socialistic governments, as they find that they need the industrial base to survive, and they also find that they can't exert too much control over those large strategic industrial bases without hurting their own power base.

A Republic is the ideal system of government. It's a representative government, yet it isn't riotous when there is a butting of heads between one concensus and another, but does entrust power or influence via elected representatives as a means of sending a strong voice of the people.

The U.S.S.R. started out as a Communism's model........What did it gradual become;......a Socialist State. The same with the Republic of China.......By the way, it's no Republic.

Even Ho Chi Min's Vietnam is not becoming what the old dead Marxist wanted it to be.

 

[manu1959]

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=fascism

also

fascism. Extreme right-wing ideology where the existing social order is protected by the forcible suppression of the working class.
http://www.fisicx.com/quickreference/politics/ideologies.html

 

[Avatar4321]

Actually this debate of whether socialism is left or right.....seems rather moot.

I tend to agree, mostly because the dichotemy of "left" and "right" don't really mean anything. I know it helps us identify our idealogy but there is more to politics and people than who is left and who is right.

The current left and right is seen as communisum on one side to facism on the other. And yes I know facism isnt in reality a product of conservative idealogy. Im just stating that is how the current system was set up.

The entire viewpoint is inherently flawed. and if there is a line it should be a line with oppression on one side and anarchy on the other because that is far more expressive of what we are trying to set up.

 

[eots]

To commemorate the five year anniversary of his historic infiltration of the Bohemian Grove, the occult playground of the global elite, Alex Jones presents his newest film, The Order of Death, an amazing and horrifying look into the rites and rituals of the modern day descendents of Babylonian mystery cults.

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Jones' Dark Secrets: Inside the Bohemian Grove documented the first ever hidden camera incursion into the Grove and the bizzare pagan ritual, the Cremation of Care, practiced by its members, all men, including both Presidents Bush, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Colin Powell, and Henry Kissenger to name but a few.

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[LuvRPgrl]

So what do you call it when big business completely controls government and dissolves the borders and repeals labor laws for their benefit? Here's a hint: it can still happen even if you refuse to give it a name.

You can call it what you want, but its NOT facism. Facism requires the control of the military, which ALWAYS ultimately will have the final say in any major upheavels in the country.

At the time of a national crisis, the President is allowed to call for a "state of emergency", when that occurs, whom does he send it to take control, the miliray or the CEO of the Fortune 500?

 

[Psychoblues]

You can call it what YOU want, LuvRPgrl, but fascism is military corproate control of government and that is EXACTLY what we now have in our mutually cherished country of the United States Of America. President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the very predicament that we now find ourselves.

Psychoblues

You can call it what you want, but its NOT facism. Facism requires the control of the military, which ALWAYS ultimately will have the final say in any major upheavels in the country.

At the time of a national crisis, the President is allowed to call for a "state of emergency", when that occurs, whom does he send it to take control, the miliray or the CEO of the Fortune 500?

 

[LuvRPgrl]

You can call it what YOU want, LuvRPgrl, but fascism is military corproate control of government and that is EXACTLY what we now have in our mutually cherished country of the United States Of America. President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the very predicament that we now find ourselves.

Psychoblues

What the hell is "military corporate"????

 

[Annie]

What the hell is "military corporate"????

well that would have been 'corproate' but who knows? He won't be responding for awhile. Immature I know, but he was difficult on top of difficult.