The President with the worst average unemployment rate since World War II is?

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  1. Faun
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    It's worse than unbiased -- it's useless. It can't differentiate between two presidents where one takes the unemployment rate from 4% to 10% at the same rate a president takes it from 10% to 4%; even though the former would be horrible while the latter would be great.

    Even worse.... take two presidents....

    President A inherits an unemployment rate at a healthy 4.0%. The rate increases every month at 0.2 points... after 4 years, the unemployment rate is up to 13.6% and he would get kicked out of office.

    President B inherits an obscene rate at 23.0%. The rate decreases every month at 0.2 points... after 8 years, the unemployment rate is under 4% (where president A started) and the 22nd Amendment is repealed for such a jobs god.

    Then along comes a moron like you who idiotically claims president A performed better regarding unemployment because his average of 8.9% is far lower than president B's 13.2% average. That it doesn't matter how one president destroyed the job market while the other saved it -- all that matters is that president A's average unemployment rate was lower.

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    My statement applied to Faun's implication that Reagan"s Unemployment Rate could not have been a historical high because Obama's was higher. The fact that Obama's rate surpassed Reagan's does not mean that Reagan's was not previously a historical high.
     
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    One way to fairly look at it though would be to look at the average as a percent of the starting rate. Let's say President A started at 4% and ended at 10% with an average of 7%. And B starts with 10%, ends at 4%, average of 7%. A's average is 75% higher than his start and B's is 30% lower than his start. So clearly B was more successful.
     
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    Umm.... even not factoring in Obama, the unemployment rate was still not at a historical high when Reagan became president. Carter inherited an unemployment rate equally as high before him.
     
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    I keep coming back because making fun of idiots on this forum is a guilty pleasure of mine.

    Like here.... employment growth under Reagan was a healthy 17%. Under Bush, it was a paltry 1%. And that 1% was 100% government jobs. Yet you continue to make the idiotic claim that it was easier to get a job under Bush than under Reagan. :cuckoo:

    By claiming it was easier because the unemployment rate was lower is basing it on the unemployment rate measuring job availability; which it doesn't.
     
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    You are right.
    Nixon was faced with the gas lines in 1973 which from personal awareness as I am 74 years old having lived through Carter's 4 years (which I voted for Carter also!).
    This was truly a malaise on the country.
    From Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

    BUT Carter did NOT address that. Carter blamed Americans. And then this was passed on to Reagan who had to face not only growing unemployment but rising
    inflation.
    Obama faced NEITHER. unemployhistory071717.png
     
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    Great, as usual, you deviate. :eusa_doh:

    What does any of that have to with me pointing out you were wrong when you claimed Reagan was handed a historically high unemployment rate?
     
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    Wow. Obama didn't face increasing unemployment, fucking seriously? Amid ~800,000 monthly job loss? no increasing unemployment? How stupid can you be to say that?

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    Yes Obama didn't have inflation problem, but I hear he did have NEAR COLLAPSE OF THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND REAL ESTATE MARKET to deal with.
     
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    Simple. Let's keep it simple for you.

    Can Your Business Change its Course like an Aircraft Carrier?
    When he was “driving” it, he could make a 1 degree change in the direction of the ship every couple of seconds. That meant that in roughly 3-5 miles, depending on the speed of the ship, Can Your Business Change its Course like an Aircraft Carrier? | Jon Schallert

    And so too with unemployment rates. If the business environment is deteriorating as it did under Carter, just because Reagan was inaugurated two month later
    doesn't mean OH wow unemployment rates STOP going down and immediately go up!
    So the same thing with Obama. But the difference between Reagan/Trump and Carter/Obama is that Reagan/Trump knew that hmmm who hires the most people?
    Government or businesses??? Neither Carter and more so Obama seem to know that. I mean when was the last time a president said these anti business comments?

    Obama wanted to bankrupt 1,400 companies, that pay $100 billion a year in taxes and unemployed 450,000 people that work for these companies! (Obama told us he favored a "single payer health system"... so what happens to the above?)
    - " if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can – it’s just that it will bankrupt them.” Why would ANY president want to bankrupt businesses?
    (Pretty easy way of increasing unemployment.)
    - "I prefer higher gas prices". (And how did it go about doing that? Obama signed 40% fewer Federal oil lease exploration then Bush).
    - Obama tells "Brazil to develop oil and so that the USA will be DEPENDENT on foreign oil....will be their best customer"!
    - "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." (That certainly puts a dent in the pocketbook...)
    So these are ALL REAL statements made by the truly economic moron who didn't ever seem to realize that businesses hire people!
    People/businesses pay payroll taxes. People/businesses pay income taxes. So the more people employed the more TAX revenue!
    Damn simple but how could any business under Obama especially ever plan to grow faced with this challenge?
    Every year economist Clyde Wade Crews of the Competitive Enterprise Institute report cites the work of economists Nicole V. Crain and W. Mark Crain, whose study of the net cost of regulations determined that in 2009 federal regulation cost businesses and consumers $1.75 trillion, or nearly 12% of America’s 2009 GDP! The Hidden Cost of Regulation | FreedomWorks
    And then you have a president like Obama who does the below!
    I mean please doesn't the reality of Obama's economic ignorance mean anything to you because IT MEANT Trillions in wasted money complying with inane rules and regulations which meant fewer jobs because some idiots like Obama just don't get it!

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    Obama had to deal with deflation in 2009.
     

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