The powers granted Congress

[RetiredGySgt]

Here are the powers granted to Congress.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

LII: Constitution

Someone show me the one that allows for Social Security.

The one that allows for Government run health Care.

The one that allows the Government to Nationalize Banks and then tell them what they can and can not pay their employees.

Just for starters.

 

[Oddball]

They grasp desperately at the "general welfare" part, as their excuse for expropriating anything everything, and using it to feather the nests of people who did nothing to earn it. Then, when pointed to The Federalist #41, only written by the architect of that document, they cynically claim that the Federalist and Anti-federalist papers weren't codified into law and are therefore irrelevant.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

There is no general welfare clause, as pointed out such a clause would violate the very premise of the entire document which was to LIMIT the power of the Federal Government. The founders argued in the Federalist papers that no Bill of Rights was needed as the Constitution was very limited very specific as to the powers granted the Federal Government.

Thiose that argue now that there is a general welfare clause ignore the relaity of the facts.

 

[veritas]

I don't get all of these "states rights" arguments with respect to the desire for there to be no uniformity. At this stage of the game it seems pointless and costly and what benefit is there really? I haven't heard of any direct issue, just a lot of wailing and sobbing.

 

[Oddball]

This isn't about state's powers...Not anywhere near.

But thanks for playing...Johnny has a case of Bardahl for you as a parting gift.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't get all of these "states rights" arguments with respect to the desire for there to be no uniformity. At this stage of the game it seems pointless and costly and what benefit is there really? I haven't heard of any direct issue, just a lot of wailing and sobbing.

A document exists that regulates our Government. A process to change said document exists as well, written right in said document. Want change? DO THE PROPER PROCEDURES. Pretty fucking simple concept, indeed.

Failure to make the change means the Government does not have the authority or the power they want and it means they do not get to just ignore the Constitution to get it either.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

Thiose that argue now that there is a general welfare clause ignore the relaity of the facts.

Well fuck me sideways if I dont see the words provide for and general welfare in the first clause...

Article I, Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to... provide for the... general welfare of the United States

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

I dont agree with government run health care, politically, but I dont think it is repugnant to the Constitution.